The task of showing Robin in live-action.

[knowsbleed]

Imo , in Nolan's world , John Blake is basically Dick Grayson/Robin , without all of the Historical baggage. He doesn't have the awkward name, he's isn't Bruce's "ward", no costume, and his pressence doesn't invoked light hearted or campy plotlines because he's a kid, and he's not the punchline to jokes.

Instead he's a young idealistic cop who admires Gordon and , it appears, could admire Batman. He's appears to be a hero but he doesn't need to wear tights and a mask.

This

 

[shauner111]

I NEVER liked Robin. Ever since i was a kid..i hated the circus origin, the costume, or the sight of him fighting alongside Batman as his sidekick. It was always a little too much for me. But Nightwing on the other hand, i appreciate. If they pull off a more Nightwing approach to Dick Graysons age & look & maturity i'd be interested. Even if they call him Robin and have him wear the red/black suit, make him more along the lines of Nightwing. I don't really want to see him as a kid-sidekick. Don't like it. Always liked his relationship with Bruce but i prefer it where he works seperate from Batman most of the time.

Or they can just not include him. I like seeing the references in Blake, and that's enough for me. They should focus on adapting more villains to the big screen than putting all their focus on this kid who's entered Bruces life and changed how he fights off villains, etc. I also think it overshadows Batmans relationship with Gordon just a bit.

 

[bullets]

Robin has worked in the comics for years and been in several live action films. It's a no brainer to include him at some point. However you don't need Robin to tell a good Batman story so it's non consequential if he's included or not.


I like the Blake theory. He's not exactly Robin but has some of the elements.

 

[KalMart]

I actually came to like the Tim Drake Robin on the later animated Batman, and the strained relationship Batman had with Grayson. 'Old Wounds' was a great episode and dealt with some legitimate issues. So did 'Over The Edge' and the Beyond 'Return Of The Joker'.

I also like the usage of the much younger Drake Robin as it puts more of an emphasis of responsibility on Batman, and challenges that because Drake is so young. I guess as we get older and either have kids of our own or friends with kids, it hits home more. Like if I knew a Batman or whoever who was doing the same, regardless of how 'good' their reasoning would be, I'd tell them it's wrong to put someone so young into those kinds of situations. So I think it makes us question our moral stance on Batman, maybe more than anything...as we easily support his spying, his excessive force, the collateral damage, etc. In a lot of ways it's a gut-check to the escapism from an adult's perspective....and to some degree, Batman in unhealthily compensating for the trauma he suffered as a child by projecting his current strength and power onto another's. A highschool-to-college aged Grayson is one thing (even if he started off younger)...a 12-14-ish Drake is another entirely. And that's why I like the Drake version more because I think it's more morally challenging.

 

[BatmanWTSOG]

I Agree. Dick/Robin/Tim or whoever is chosen, needs the love. Im sick of robin being treated as a gay sidekick who is useless to batman.

In my opinion Batman would not even still be in print today if not for Robin and the bat-family.

Robin doubled the sales of Batman in Detective Comics which allowed Batman to get his own comic series ("Batman" featuring Batman and Robin) which introduced Joker, Catwoman, Alfred, Gotham City, Lucius Fox, etc. So what you say is true! Robin is the one that allowed Batman to become famous and allowed all the elements of Batman's current history to come to be.

BTW, Robin didn't create the camp. (Batman and Robin killed people in the comics at the time) DC Comics forced the camp during WWII.

All covered in my history/importance of Robin and the Batfamily:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XO2J0yOnxrw

 

[ThePhantasm]

I'd love to see a campy Batman film, so long as it is done right and not the gaudy, unfunny, gag-worthy camp of the Schumacher films. With a great script a campy Batfilm could be fun.

 

[MrWayne]

I have a question...

Since I see many many people on here stating that "In my opinion I feel Blake is really supposed to be Robin or Blake in essence is channeling Robin" etc. It seems as if people are going by their own feelings for their own reasons that Nolan has made Blake to be his version of Robin and then will go on to cite so-called clues or hints or aspects of Blakes role that scream Robin.

Regardless, that Blake is a young idealistic cop, who happens to also be an orphan, who admires Gordon and, it appears, could also admire Batman. He's appears to be a hero but he doesn't need to wear tights and a mask.

My question is, if Nolan himself came out today or right after the TDKR release, and said that JGL's John Blake character was not Robin at all and was never intending for him to be interpreted that way, would people still be saying, “To me, in my opinion… Blake is supposed to be Robin”??

 

[TinkerTailor]

I actually came to like the Tim Drake Robin on the later animated Batman, and the strained relationship Batman had with Grayson. 'Old Wounds' was a great episode and dealt with some legitimate issues. So did 'Over The Edge' and the Beyond 'Return Of The Joker'.

I also like the usage of the much younger Drake Robin as it puts more of an emphasis of responsibility on Batman, and challenges that because Drake is so young. I guess as we get older and either have kids of our own or friends with kids, it hits home more. Like if I knew a Batman or whoever who was doing the same, regardless of how 'good' their reasoning would be, I'd tell them it's wrong to put someone so young into those kinds of situations. So I think it makes us question our moral stance on Batman, maybe more than anything...as we easily support his spying, his excessive force, the collateral damage, etc. In a lot of ways it's a gut-check to the escapism from an adult's perspective....and to some degree, Batman in unhealthily compensating for the trauma he suffered as a child by projecting his current strength and power onto another's. A highschool-to-college aged Grayson is one thing (even if he started off younger)...a 12-14-ish Drake is another entirely. And that's why I like the Drake version more because I think it's more morally challenging.

Spot on. It would take a brave soul to try to put someone that young into a Batman film in the future.

 

[MrWayne]

I actually came to like the Tim Drake Robin on the later animated Batman, and the strained relationship Batman had with Grayson. 'Old Wounds' was a great episode and dealt with some legitimate issues. So did 'Over The Edge' and the Beyond 'Return Of The Joker'.

I also like the usage of the much younger Drake Robin as it puts more of an emphasis of responsibility on Batman, and challenges that because Drake is so young. I guess as we get older and either have kids of our own or friends with kids, it hits home more. Like if I knew a Batman or whoever who was doing the same, regardless of how 'good' their reasoning would be, I'd tell them it's wrong to put someone so young into those kinds of situations. So I think it makes us question our moral stance on Batman, maybe more than anything...as we easily support his spying, his excessive force, the collateral damage, etc. In a lot of ways it's a gut-check to the escapism from an adult's perspective....and to some degree, Batman in unhealthily compensating for the trauma he suffered as a child by projecting his current strength and power onto another's. A highschool-to-college aged Grayson is one thing (even if he started off younger)...a 12-14-ish Drake is another entirely. And that's why I like the Drake version more because I think it's more morally challenging.

Agreed. The animated series made me like Nightwing, had it not been for that, I dont think the comics did it for me, but now? I look forward to episodes of Batman that feature him. As much as a classic BTAS will always be, I prefer the newer Batman animated with the black bat symbol on his chest. I think they are drawn slightly better, with the exception of Scarecrow blah!

And is it me or does he seem to partner more with Batgirl than Robin in those?? lol

 

[TinkerTailor]

Agreed. The animated series made me like Nightwing, had it not been for that, I dont think the comics did it for me, but now? I look forward to episodes of Batman that feature him. As much as a classic BTAS will always be, I prefer the newer Batman animated with the black bat symbol on his chest. I think they are drawn slightly better, with the exception of Scarecrow blah!

And is it me or does he seem to partner more with Batgirl than Robin in those?? lol

Got to hit all the demographics, right?

 

[KalMart]

Agreed. The animated series made me like Nightwing, had it not been for that, I dont think the comics did it for me, but now? I look forward to episodes of Batman that feature him. As much as a classic BTAS will always be, I prefer the newer Batman animated with the black bat symbol on his chest. I think they are drawn slightly better, with the exception of Scarecrow blah!

And is it me or does he seem to partner more with Batgirl than Robin in those?? lol

I actually don't really care for Nightwing and never really did, though. I just like the younger Drake Robin.

I also like the animation, the style, and overall grittier/sleeker vibe of the later TAS. But I especially thought Scarecrow and Bane were much more intense and frightening versions in the later series, too.



Come to think of it...I don't like your name, either...!






He also apparently does more than just 'partner' with Batgirl later on. Batman rules, yo?

 

[shauner111]

I have a question...

Since I see many many people on here stating that "In my opinion I feel Blake is really supposed to be Robin or Blake in essence is channeling Robin" etc. It seems as if people are going by their own feelings for their own reasons that Nolan has made Blake to be his version of Robin and then will go on to cite so-called clues or hints or aspects of Blakes role that scream Robin.

Regardless, that Blake is a young idealistic cop, who happens to also be an orphan, who admires Gordon and, it appears, could also admire Batman. He's appears to be a hero but he doesn't need to wear tights and a mask.

My question is, if Nolan himself came out today or right after the TDKR release, and said that JGL's John Blake character was not Robin at all and was never intending for him to be interpreted that way, would people still be saying, “To me, in my opinion… Blake is supposed to be Robin”??

Honestly, i would think he's either A) just saying that to get people off his back and to pay attention to Blake and the rest of the movie rather than dwelling on Robin connections that may or may not even be there.

or B) It's coincidence, but that wont stop me or others from having our own interpretation. I would still draw up connections to Grayson. I dont care what they say, when you cast somebody who before Inception i was thinking he looked like a perfect fit for Grayson....then i find out he's an orphan, looks up to Bruce and Gordon, that set report of that person who saw a pic of Blake sitting on Bruces couch in Wayne Manor when Bruce is chillin with his robe on. Sounds like he could be interrogating him or maybe theyve become friends. Then rumors of Bruce telling Blake to take care of the city (even if its just as man and cop).

I was always perfectly fine with Blake being himself and that's it. I think i was against the robin comparisons or Robin even being in this trilogy cuz i wasnt the biggest fan of him in costume anyway. Even though i felt like "well they lost their chance for the reboot when they wanna bring Robin into it. JGL woulda been great!".

But the orphan thing and set photos set me off. I prefer it to be just an "inspiration" behind John Blake. Nothing more. And well, it's like a lot of musical artists say in interviews. I wont tell you what the lyrics mean, and even if i do it's only my interpretation of the song. You draw your own ideas of what the lyrics mean...

Know what i mean? Just cuz the creator never intended it to be one thing doesnt mean the audience cant find connections the creator never saw himself.

 

[The Sage]

Nolan has focused on "The Dark Knight." Which in the comics Batman was alone.

Batman hasn't worked alone in the comics for years.

 

[KalMart]

He hasn't worked at all in this movie for eight.

 

[OP84CC82]

If you don't like the change of origin, think of how Marc Webb is changing Spider-Man's origin in the new movie.

Yeah, taking out the wrestling gig part makes a BIG difference.

 

[KidHolland8]

Yeah, taking out the wrestling gig part makes a BIG difference.

and the fact he's including references to his parents, and that Dr.Connors is connected to his dad, you need to learn more before you speak

 

[Jordacar]

If Robin shows up in the reboot film, I would hope they just skip his origin and just have him already there. They'd probably do the same with Batman since they've covered his origin so thoroughly.

Robin is also one of the reasons I'm always going on about a switch to live-action TV, because his origin is far easier and more interesting to unfold over many episodes. And I would love to see a new modern (and smartly written) take on Dick's evolution into a crimefighter.

 

[OP84CC82]

and the fact he's including references to his parents, and that Dr.Connors is connected to his dad, you need to learn more before you speak

His parents and the Connors part have nothing to do with him becoming Spider-Man. Sure they may affect the plot of the movie in some way, but I'm pretty sure it has nothing to do with the origin.

 

[ThePhantasm]

If Robin were to show up in film, I think this sort of portrayal / relationship would work really well:

Spoiler

Bruce knows the pain of being fatherless. He doesn't want Tim to have to live that way.

 

[Da Games Elite]

Yes! I think Robin can be done masterfully in a reboot film series. What I'd like to see is them start with Dick Grayson in the first film, then introduce Batgirl in the second...where they'd then have Grayson killed off. That way, when Tim Drake enters as a replacement, it's even more tragic for Batman to take him in.

The Bat Family is something that has never been done properly in screen before. Batman Forever did a passable job at introducing Robin, but Batman and Robin botched it up. Nolan doesn't even bother with the idea. Blake the cop is just another representative of the Gotham Police, not Robin. He's probably a piece of Batman's legacy, but he doesn't have the same emotional ties to Batman as any of the Bat Family does. He doesn't force Batman into a father position, nor does he ground him quite the same way the family does.

That's the beauty of the Bat Family: they force Batman to grow as a character.

 

[Lucifer Maranda]

I think the portrayal of a side-kick character in the amalgamation of Robin, Nightwing, and even Terry Mcginnis would be pretty cool.

I almost think they should do a spin off movie/franchise centered around a Robin character and then add him to the main Batman movie franchise when he's fully grown as Nightwing.

 

[Hypestyle]

a new film should include Robin, as a 12-13 year old kid, follow the comics origins, Mob protection scam against the circus.. Tony Zucco, etc.

 

[NoBozos]

I have a cousin who is a few years younger than me that got to meet Burt Ward and Adam West back when he was a kid. He said Adam was real cool but that Burt was a **** and it really traumatized him at that time. Since then I've never looked at Robin the same way. When I see that old show I just want to punch Robin in the face not because of the story with my cousin but just his acting. LOL So because of that I'm not much of a Robin fan

I thought he was ok in TAS when it's Grayson but I still love the other one getting smacked around with Joker's crow bar

 

[Two-Face Killer]

The Robin in the Arkham City game was really cool and not at all campy so it shows that he can be made into a serious character with the same brooding attitude as Batman. Dick Grayson comes off as more of an optimistic character than Tim Drake so having a brooding Robin might work better with Tim Drake. I think adding Robin to a Batman movie makes sense and I feel he can be a character that people will like but I can see why people like having Batman alone.

 

[Lenger01]

I'm actually thinking of going to school for directoring, and my dream is to be a DC movie director, Batman/Superman/Flash/JLA, I'd love to attempt to do all of that.

You guys haven't given feedback on my origin story, I'd like some please, just cause I like writing Altered-Origin stories for characters through the DC Universe, since everytime we see a movie its always the same.

I actually really like how you would bring Robin into Nolan's Universe. But, I do see two major plot holes that you haven't mentioned. Why did Bruce comeback to be Batman and what happened to John "Robin" Blake? You've given me something to think about.

I too would like to get into the movie business and become a producer and work on superhero movies specifically. I've even written my own ideas to connect TDKT, Man of Steel, and Green Lantern all into a Justice League Movie. I've also thought of making a Robin Origin TV series that would start with his parents death and becoming Robin with Batman, then leaving to be in Teen Titans and then the series finale would be him becoming NightWing.