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Batman & Robin

Akiva Goldsmith's involvement in the two Joel Schumacher Batman films is partially why I don't think that it's fair for fans to lay the whole blame for the bad parts in Batman & Robin on Joel Schumacher!
Agreed. This is the director of The Lost Boys, and Falling Down. He shouldn't get the full blame. He didnt write this crap.
 
Akiva Goldsmith's involvement in the two Joel Schumacher Batman films is partially why I don't think that it's fair for fans to lay the whole blame for the bad parts in Batman & Robin on Joel Schumacher!

The only thing he did wrong was the nipples on the bat suits.....Which is not a bad deal really.
 
Have you seen Syriana? or Confessions of a dangerous mind? or Good Night and Good Luck? or Solaris? or Burn After Reading?


No, because I don't like George Clooney.

and no, I will not be seeing these movies.

and no, I don't care.
 
The only thing he did wrong was the nipples on the bat suits.....Which is not a bad deal really.
in my book, they are a very bad deal. as are random close-ups of crotches, etc. just embarrassingly dire.
 
eh...I guess it's not that I don't like him, but I just don't care for him. He doesn't particularly bother me, I guess, but he doesn't hold any interest either.
 
You dont have to be his biggest fan to enjoy his movies. I suggest you still check out those movies.
 
George Clooney CAN act.

Michael Clayton is proof of this.
 
I feel it was the writing and direction that killed this movie. The only thing that made it remotely interesting was the use of Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy. However, had they been treated a little darker (as in the first two films) and not in Schumacher's Las Vegas style of directing, it would have been much better.
 
Joel and Co. really did slip up big time (and that's an understatement) but for the most part I've moved on. I used to be up in arms about how bad the film is, but now I feel like "whatever". I do still watch it every now and then when I'm really baked though.
 
I feel it was the writing and direction that killed this movie. The only thing that made it remotely interesting was the use of Mr. Freeze and Poison Ivy. However, had they been treated a little darker (as in the first two films) and not in Schumacher's Las Vegas style of directing, it would have been much better.

It just makes one wonder eve more so, how Tim Burton would've handled Freeze and Ivy. Freeze is the type of character who would've been perfect for Burton's style (i.e. outsiders/misfits).
 
Extreme campiness, stupidity, bad acting and all the other flaws are reasons I don't like Batman and Robin as well as the others (yes I know it's crazy but I DO like the film, some what).

No. The MAIN reason I don't LOVE it like the others is because of the way it unfairly gets paired up with Batman Forever, a film that is vastly superior to it.

In my opinion Batman Forever kicks the crap out of this "reject". Batman and Robin is like a crappy revamp of Batman Forever. It mimmicks the opening scene of the first but makes it much more corny and disgusting. The plot is similar. Mr. Freeze equals Two-Face (origins told later on film via screen), Poision Ivy equals Riddler (scientist turned into a wacky obsessed antagonist), Batgirl equals Robin (new team member, hard ass), Sonar Suit equals "Ice Suit" (both at the end of the film) and just the over all plot feels similar to the first (Villian team up, Batman and Robin take them on).

What's the difference? Batman Forever does it ten times better and is much more enjoyable in my opinion, even with it's faults. With Batman and Robin it felt like I was watching a ****** remake of Batman Forever. A dud in almost every way. Like they looked at the great Batman Forever script they made and made a few tweaks to change into a "new" film.

It's not fair to me that the darker, more complex, summer popcorn flick, Forever is looked upon as a bad film because of Batman and Robin. I like Forever almost as much as Begins and TDK and maybe AS much as Batman.

If we look back at 1995 we see that Forever actually did alright with it's new look and themes.

Batman and Robin are none of these things. It's a "what if" Batman Forever was a human being and could ****. B&R is essentially Forever's waste.

What do I like about Batman and Robin? A number of things (not nearly as many to change my view of it being the "BEST MOVIE EVAR!").

1.) Stupid and funny as hell. This is mostly towards Ahnold though. I love Arnold. His serious takes (The Terminator) and his not so serious ones (Freeze and Jingle All the Way). His bad puns on top of the fact that, unlike most actors, he could walk away from the film and not be tainted make Batman and Robin a bit entertaining.

2.) How RIDICULOUSLY INFAMOUS this film is. For as bad as it is we have to all admit. Batman and Robin gets talked about almost as much as, if NOT MORE than The Dark Knight. Eveyone pans the hell out of this movie and EVERYONE knows and talks about it.

3.) Nostalgia. I have it with all the Batman films. Batman, Batman Returns, Batman Forever, Batman and Robin, Batman Begins and The Dark Knight. I was excited a for it before it turned into the **** fest it now infamously is.

And I appreciate it for those three qualities alone. It's still a bad film and an awful Batman film at that. I can still watch it and be entertained.

I don't view any of the Burton/Shumacher films as part of the same continuity. Batman Returns is NOT the sequel to Batman just as Batman and Robin is NOT the sequel to Batman Forever in my opinion.

I love The Dark Knight, Batman Begins, Batman and Batman Forever. I dislike Batman and Robin but, like the others, it has parts that I like, mainly AHNULD!

As for Joel Schumacher, I don't hate him. He made Forever and admitted that he ****ed up. I just don't agree with the homosexual nods he made in the film. (Those nipples and ass shots are unforgiveable.)

Understand, he's not entirely to blame. Warner Bros, the same people that hand in giving us the fantastic Batman, Batman Begins, and The Dark Knight films also had a hand in Batman and Robin. They wanted it to be lighter and more corny and they even had Schumacher take out the darkest parts of Forever (toning down Two-Face, downplaying the violence, cutting out Wayne's bat psyche, and ommitting the darker elements of Batman) out of fear of another backlash from fans/parents after Batman Returns.

Then years later they wanted the Batman series to be more serious and darker just like their first outing with the character and we got the beloved Nolan films.

Batman and Robin happened. It's in the past. We got Begins and The Dark Knight because of it. Whatever. It's infamous and popular to hate, that's got to stand for something. WORST superhero movie ever.

Atleast fans of Batman can say they've seen it all. Good, bad, serious, funny etc. It's all good.

So there it is. Take it or leave it. Just don't throw the series of films or Forever into the argument.

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I find it to be the most fun movie to use as a drinking game, as you get everybody good and drunk, while everyone gets to talk about Batman, without coming off like a total nerd.:cwink:
 
Batman & Robin is ok for a few laughs and Joel Schumacher has made some decent films before and after B&R but it all came down to the script and WB for wanting the franchise more "toyetic" and less dark.

And Clooney was funny in Return Of The Killer Tomatoes.
 
No way dude, my vote goes to the Phantom.



Actually, that may run second to Steel.

I never said that Batman Forever was the worst movie ever. If you read my post, you would have seen that I don't like when Forever is paired up with it. I LOVE Batman Forever.
 
I wasnt talking about Forever (and didn't think you were either), this is a Batman & Robin thread.
 
and actually, it plainly says Batman & Robin :

"Batman and Robin happened. It's in the past. We got Begins and The Dark Knight because of it. Whatever. It's infamous and popular to hate, that's got to stand for something. WORST superhero movie ever. "


also note: I didn't even mention either Forever or Batman & Robin in my post earlier. haha, where did you get Forever from??
 
also note: I didn't even mention either Forever or Batman & Robin in my post earlier. haha, where did you get Forever from??

You accidentally quoted the picture of Batman Forever along with "worst superhero movie ever" so I figured that you thought I meant Batman Forever was the worst. Just a misunderstanding.
 
I dont see any picture of Batman forever...


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