Batman: Arkham Knight - Part 1

[TheFirstAvenger]

We'll see something just not sure what.

 

[GREEN =w= DAY]

as some have already pointed out, if the Joker does come back in some shape or form i hope it's as a hallucination when Batman is gassed by Scarecrow

 

[Naked Shia]

just like in the batman triumphant project from schumacher.

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

just like in the batman triumphant project from schumacher.

And Harley Quinn was to be his vengeful daughter.

 

[Iceman]

Just saw the awesome trailer for this. Can't wait for more.

 

[The Joker]

I was playing Origins yesterday again and anyone who says it's a bad game is lying to themselves. It does lack the spit and polish that Rocksteady brought to the table, but for the most part it's still a damn good, and fun, game to play. At worst, it's a glorified expansion pack for Arkham City. It still has the best story of the Arkham games to date. Honestly, with the exception of a couple of lag issues I really don't know what people were going on about in terms of glitches. I haven't even bothered to download the update for the game.

Seconded. I love Arkham Origins to bits.

 

[Two-Face]

I don't love it to bits like I do with AA & AC but it's a good game.

 

[Kane52630]

It's a decent game but I wouldn't put it right next to AA or AC. It's like with the Call of Duty games, you get your Modern Warfare as your main dish and then you have those secondary games like World At War or Black Ops as appetizers.

 

[Iceman]

Arkham City is a great game so even if a game only improves on it a bit, it will likely also be a good game. A better game even, just not better for the time it came out.

 

[OutOfBoose]

Yeah, AO isn't a bad game. It's a good game. But it's not a fantastic game like AA and AC.

 

[eternalinferno]

Eh the mess of a story in Arkham city brought it down a notch to me. I much prefer arkham asylum and origins.

 

[OutOfBoose]

AC story was great. A lot of nice twists. AO - I barely remember it...

 

[The Joker]

AC story was far from great. Arkham City is basically chase the cure. A lot of people get brainwashed into thinking 'the setting IS the story' which it isn't.

Thing is, Arkham City ( the game title that is ) never ever was about Arkham City ( the prison itself ). Arkham City is arguably the most intriguing and fascinating premise for a Batman story. A walled off prison like Escape From New York, with some of Gotham's worst villains in there dividing up the land between them. Whenever people talk about the story all they have the image of that very unique setting in the back of their heads.

If you take the setting away, if you just take the game's plot and put it into just a random corner of Gotham City.. it's actually one of most bland, run-down-the-Mill and forgettable Batman stories ever created.

The story in Arkham City is nothing more then a glorified 'chase/track-down story', one we've seen at least a thousand times in the Batman comics and done less contrived too.

Batman has to find Catwoman for information
Batman has to find Joker just because he took a pot shot at Catwoman with a gun
Batman has to find Mr. Freeze for finding Joker's cure
Batman has to find Penguin because he has Freeze prisoner
Batman has to find Ra's Al Ghul for finding an enzyme in his blood
Batman has to find Joker again for taking the cure
Batman has to stop Hugo Strange and stop Protocol 10
Batman has to find Joker again for taking Talia

Practically none of this has ANYTHING to do with the Arkham City situation or Strange foreshadowed "protocol 10", or the hierarchy among criminals and gang bosses.

I called Arkham City contrived because at times it really was. Batman is on a mission to stop Arkham City from the inside, take down Hugo Strange and prevent this mysterious "protocol 10" from happening. Yet for some reason he totally goes after Joker ( whose in prison with rules so "technically" is doing nothing wrong whatsoever ) because he fired a bullet at Catwoman. So what? It's the Joker! It's what he does for God's sake! Wouldn't taking down Hugo Strange be on a higher list for just this once?

Then Joker needs a cure.. which is again totally unrelated to any Protocol 10 sub-plot and is basically there to kill the time.. and of course Mr. Freeze has it. Who was coincidentally just kidnapped by Penguin, who then coincidentally needs a enzyme that only Ra's Al Ghul has, coincidentally one of his ninjas is sitting nearby in Penguin's display case.

I could go on, but the message should be clear. There's nothing extraordinary about Arkham City's story at all. Yes, the idea of prison built between Gotham were the inmates are allowed to tear each other apart.. is nothing short of genius. But it's never used for the story. The idea that Batman has to chase a cure because he got poisoned, is one the laziest and forgettable premises for a Batman story there is. That's the main story of AC.

There is not one character interaction in Asylum or City that matches to scenes like Joker's therapy session with Harley, or the Bruce/Alfred and Batman/Gordon interactions in AO.

By the end of the story in AO you feel like you've been through a proper rich Batman story.

Black Mask may have been wasted in Arkham Origins, but he was better used for the twist in the game. He didn't feel like a non entity. Unlike Hugo Strange and Two Face, who were promoted as big presence characters in AC, and are nothing but glorified cameos with barely any relevance to the main game story.

Even in the game you're always hearing Dent's man blabbing to each other that he's coming back, and you're waiting and waiting for it, and then we find out it's just a Catwoman side mission where she whups him again.

I love Asylum and City, brilliant games, but the game stories are among the weakest Dini has ever written. Asylum is better written than City though. City is by far the weakest of the trio story wise.

 

[TheFirstAvenger]

This

 

[OutOfBoose]

Well, I never expected miracles, nor I expected some new writing heights from Dini. I took it as what it was. Dini provided a great adventure. Tied up all those criminal nuts into one big scheme. Which made much more sense than TDKR. And it had a fantastic climax. I didn't expect it and was really pleased.

I know that Dini crafted some iconic stuff before, as well as my favorite stuff - Harley and Ivy comic series. And I agree that both Asylum and City aren't great in comparison to best stories from BTAS.

My biggest grip with AO - poor level design and copy-paste music of Hanz Zimmer. Story was OK, but it didn't provide enough variation and dramatic twists to my liking.

 

[TX85]

I wonder if Rockateady will have any elements that WB Montreal created in AO,I really want the crime investigation stuff to return!!

 

[TX85]

I like AC's story and didn't find it one of the worst Batman stories ever created..But I definitely agree AA and AO had much better stories

 

[Benstamania]

AC story was far from great. Arkham City is basically chase the cure. A lot of people get brainwashed into thinking 'the setting IS the story' which it isn't.

Thing is, Arkham City ( the game title that is ) never ever was about Arkham City ( the prison itself ). Arkham City is arguably the most intriguing and fascinating premise for a Batman story. A walled off prison like Escape From New York, with some of Gotham's worst villains in there dividing up the land between them. Whenever people talk about the story all they have the image of that very unique setting in the back of their heads.

If you take the setting away, if you just take the game's plot and put it into just a random corner of Gotham City.. it's actually one of most bland, run-down-the-Mill and forgettable Batman stories ever created.

The story in Arkham City is nothing more then a glorified 'chase/track-down story', one we've seen at least a thousand times in the Batman comics and done less contrived too.

Batman has to find Catwoman for information
Batman has to find Joker just because he took a pot shot at Catwoman with a gun
Batman has to find Mr. Freeze for finding Joker's cure
Batman has to find Penguin because he has Freeze prisoner
Batman has to find Ra's Al Ghul for finding an enzyme in his blood
Batman has to find Joker again for taking the cure
Batman has to stop Hugo Strange and stop Protocol 10
Batman has to find Joker again for taking Talia

Practically none of this has ANYTHING to do with the Arkham City situation or Strange foreshadowed "protocol 10", or the hierarchy among criminals and gang bosses.

I called Arkham City contrived because at times it really was. Batman is on a mission to stop Arkham City from the inside, take down Hugo Strange and prevent this mysterious "protocol 10" from happening. Yet for some reason he totally goes after Joker ( whose in prison with rules so "technically" is doing nothing wrong whatsoever ) because he fired a bullet at Catwoman. So what? It's the Joker! It's what he does for God's sake! Wouldn't taking down Hugo Strange be on a higher list for just this once?

Then Joker needs a cure.. which is again totally unrelated to any Protocol 10 sub-plot and is basically there to kill the time.. and of course Mr. Freeze has it. Who was coincidentally just kidnapped by Penguin, who then coincidentally needs a enzyme that only Ra's Al Ghul has, coincidentally one of his ninjas is sitting nearby in Penguin's display case.

I could go on, but the message should be clear. There's nothing extraordinary about Arkham City's story at all. Yes, the idea of prison built between Gotham were the inmates are allowed to tear each other apart.. is nothing short of genius. But it's never used for the story. The idea that Batman has to chase a cure because he got poisoned, is one the laziest and forgettable premises for a Batman story there is. That's the main story of AC.

There is not one character interaction in Asylum or City that matches to scenes like Joker's therapy session with Harley, or the Bruce/Alfred and Batman/Gordon interactions in AO.

By the end of the story in AO you feel like you've been through a proper rich Batman story.

Black Mask may have been wasted in Arkham Origins, but he was better used for the twist in the game. He didn't feel like a non entity. Unlike Hugo Strange and Two Face, who were promoted as big presence characters in AC, and are nothing but glorified cameos with barely any relevance to the main game story.

Even in the game you're always hearing Dent's man blabbing to each other that he's coming back, and you're waiting and waiting for it, and then we find out it's just a Catwoman side mission where she whups him again.

I love Asylum and City, brilliant games, but the game stories are among the weakest Dini has ever written. Asylum is better written than City though. City is by far the weakest of the trio story wise.

Agreed.

 

[the last son]

I hate to say it,because Batman is my favorite character ever,but all through the trailer all i could think was that I'm getting Batman fatigue. Maybe I'll become more excited as we get closer to launch.

 

[Broseph44]

I hate to say it,because Batman is my favorite character ever,but all through the trailer all i could think was that I'm getting Batman fatigue. Maybe I'll become more excited as we get closer to launch.

 

[TX85]

I've loved Batman since I was 4 yo and have never got fatigued of him and probably never will!

 

[ChrisBaleBatman]

Batman fatigue?

I...can't even fathom what that is or how that would work.

 

[Broseph44]

Yeah batman fatigue will never occur. Ever. Never ever.

 

[Doc Ock]

Batman fatigue?

I...can't even fathom what that is or how that would work.

I have Batman fatigue, but certainly didn't stop me from being super excited about this game. Batman is not my favorite superhero, I don't think he is even top 5. But I love the world when done right. These games are a cure for my Batman fatigue...

 

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

Those who are tired of Batman... are tired of life.