Jekecy
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No, that's what they tell the citizens to ease them into giving up their liberties. They're doing it for their interests alone. Which leads to..."Spying for the sake of spying" refers to a routine daily check on a grand scale just in case something might go wrong. It is basically what the NSA does.
Batman's infrastructure is merely a microcosm of what the NSA is actively doing; monitoring and collating our information without consent to aid in future goals. He already has systems set up all over the place so within seconds he can get what he needs. I'm sure his supercomputers are doing all the labor for him so he can press some buttons just start reading. No one has that prescience without the intent of collecting. Of course he's obsessed. Batman wouldn't exist without that extreme drive.Again, my point is not that he doesn't spy on people but that he isn't obsessed with spying on people. That's what I'm trying to argue. Batman is not the type of guy to do a routine daily check on every Gotham citizen just in case one might be hiding something (again, I'm excluding the Elseworld stuff). He is not a "vehicle for the surveillance state" in that sense. He would still be against what the NSA does. And again, that doesn't mean he would avoid violating someone's privacy because he would view it as immoral; just that he would be against governments having that power.
Now, Batman genuinely is using all this information to stop crime and/or prevent deaths. The NSA is using this to protect their future business/political interests and build control. It's an important distinction, but it doesn't change that their methods are one in the same here. Just on different scales.
The argument wouldn't be whether Batman represents a surveillance state (all evidence shows he absolutely does on some levels), but whether his use of information is of justifiable means.