BvS Batman casting thread for Man Of Steel 2 - Part 8

[Krumm]

Cavill had to work for 8 months to get his MOS physique, Joe M could start filming tomorrow! That man does not even need to make a transformation, he's already in insane shape.

But of course he's unlikely to get cast. Snyder approached him for MOS but HBO wouldn't let Joe M audition.

Exactly.

 

[shauner111]

To dismiss Gosling as just another "pretty boy" would be ignorant, IMO. The dude has serious chops and has demonstrated his ability in several roles like 'Drive' and 'The Place Beyond the Pines'. If you haven't seen the latter, I highly recommend it. He portrays a character with a shady past wrestling with inner turmoil. If he were to bulk up and get. New hairstyle, I'd be interested in seeing how he could pull of the role of Bruce/Batman. He'd certainly be a better choice than Bomer. I'm confident he could bring the intensity necessary for this role.

I'm not by any means advocating him for this part, but I'm simply open to it. At this point, I'm not really campaigning for any actor in particular. I have faith that Snyder and his team will find someone fitting for the role. I think it's silly to campaign or "choose" an actor without knowing what Snyder's vision will be. Bale was a great choice that was far from obvious at the time so I'm hoping something similar happens this time around. "Outside the box" is my credo for Batman casting. Picking an actor based soley on his looks and build is quite silly, if you ask me.

Gosling is amazing. People aren't looking past the surface when they think of him. The only thing is his willingness to do it and his voice. I think in a stand-alone movie it works, but he's gonna be talking to Superman and other heroes under the mask a lot, and I don't think his voice lends itself well.

But yes I supported Gosling for the role for a while.

Bale's Batman NEVER conveyed genius intelligence. He readily walked into traps all the time and did no research leaving Alfred or Lucius to do all the mentually taxing work.

So in that regards Joe M is no worse than Bale. Bale's Batman never seemed like a detective or intelligent person to me.

Genius intellect? No. You're right. But he did detective work and was an intelligent man. Are you forgetting the things he did with the bullets, sonar machine, fixing the autopilot, etc? He's a smart man. He's just no Sherlock Holmes genius. It was a more human version of Bruce Wayne.

 

[regwec]

I don't think Snyder's quote should be interpreted as big muscles being his only criteria for casting the part.

If he has any sense, he will find the right actor, and ensure they get into their best possible shape.

 

[CharlieS]

When Superman found the spaceship of Jor-El in Man of Steel there were 2 space pod in the spaceship in one of them there was a death Kryptonian and the other pod was empty. It looks like Jor-El have sent others kryptonian in earth before Superman was sent to earth, i think it was Supergirl. Like in Superman/Batman apocalypse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5THZwkCnSeY

 

[SpideyFan866]

Cavill had to work for 8 months to get his MOS physique, Joe M could start filming tomorrow! That man does not even need to make a transformation, he's already in insane shape.

But of course he's unlikely to get cast. Snyder approached him for MOS but HBO wouldn't let Joe M audition.

It wasn't that HBO wouldn't let him audition, but his shooting schedule for True Blood would've interfered with filming on MOS.

 

[slumcat]

Mel Gibson is 57 and Sylvester Stallone is 67 and both are so physically fit, so yeah they are a close real life version of how Batman would be at those ages.

If they go older, then might as well go with a much older actor who's still in phenomenal shape. Sort of how Expendables has opened the door for the 80's movie heroes to return. I guess it can work for a "Batman The Dark Knight Returns" style hero in MOS2.

That sounds so tantalizing! That's an amazing movie right there. The great John Huston or John Ford might have directed it while they were alive. And they probably would have cast the great Duke had he been alive.

The idea of an old Batman is BRILLIANT.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

Bale's Batman NEVER conveyed genius intelligence. He readily walked into traps all the time and did no research leaving Alfred or Lucius to do all the mentually taxing work.

Agreed. Bale's Batman is certainly intelligent, but, like you said, he isn't a prodigy. That said, I still don't want Joe M. for the role. A great physique isn't the sole requirement.

 

[shauner111]

When Superman found the spaceship of Jor-El in Man of Steel there were 2 space pod in the spaceship in one of them there was a death Kryptonian and the other pod was empty. It looks like Jor-El have sent others kryptonian in earth before Superman was sent to earth, i think it was Supergirl. Like in Superman/Batman apocalypse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5THZwkCnSeY

Wrong thread?

 

[SpideyFan866]

When Superman found the spaceship of Jor-El in Man of Steel there were 2 space pod in the spaceship in one of them there was a death Kryptonian and the other pod was empty. It looks like Jor-El have sent others kryptonian in earth before Superman was sent to earth, i think it was Supergirl. Like in Superman/Batman apocalypse.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5THZwkCnSeY

The prequel comic for MOS (which Goyer wrote and is canon) already revealed that Kara was a passenger on that scout ship, and that one of those open, vacant pods belonged to her. However, her current whereabouts are unknown.

 

[slumcat]

Mel Gibson is 57 and Sylvester Stallone is 67 and both are so physically fit, so yeah they are a close real life version of how Batman would be at those ages.

If they go older, then might as well go with a much older actor who's still in phenomenal shape. Sort of how Expendables has opened the door for the 80's movie heroes to return. I guess it can work for a "Batman The Dark Knight Returns" style hero in MOS2.

Stallone can still do it. And talking about shape, he is in even better shape than Gibson. This is Stallone in Bullet To The Head from last year. His co-star Jason Momoa who was half his age said Stallone was in better shape than him.

 

[Masone]

Bale's Batman NEVER conveyed genius intelligence. He readily walked into traps all the time and did no research leaving Alfred or Lucius to do all the mentually taxing work.

So in that regards Joe M is no worse than Bale. Bale's Batman never seemed like a detective or intelligent person to me.

What he did with the sonar was genius level intelligence.

What he lacked in the franchise was his detective skills, but the intelligence was definitely there. I just don't think they made it clear enough.

 

[slumcat]

Genius intellect? No. You're right. But he did detective work and was an intelligent man. Are you forgetting the things he did with the bullets, sonar machine, fixing the autopilot, etc? He's a smart man. He's just no Sherlock Holmes genius. It was a more human version of Bruce Wayne.

He seemed ordinary to me. I think Stark in the Iron Man films is portrayed as a more intelligent person than Bale's Batman.

 

[slumcat]

It wasn't that HBO wouldn't let him audition, but his shooting schedule for True Blood would've interfered with filming on MOS.

Yes it would have and that is why HBO did not allow him to audition.

Snyder said he was looking at only Cavill and Joe M. He auditioned Cavill. And he spoke to Joe M about an audition but HBO wouldn't let him audition. So he had to sort of the give away the role even without auditioning and he was very depressed about that.

He said this on Larry King Now. You can watch the episode on Hulu to see what he says.

 

[CharlieS]

It's maybe why the army wanted to investigate the spaceship. I think the army had captured supergirl before superman found the spaceship.

 

[slumcat]

Agreed. Bale's Batman is certainly intelligent, but, like you said, he isn't a prodigy.

A great physique isn't the sole requirement.

We are in agreement on both points. Of course there are various other factors to be considered while casting.

 

[slumcat]

What he lacked in the franchise was his detective skills, but the intelligence was definitely there. I just don't think they made it clear enough.

He never seemed inspired to me or posessed by an idea. He was literally just moping after a woman the entire time which I found very reductive as a portrayal. To pin the entire neurosis of such an interesting character on unrequited love seems cheesy to me.

Batman should be a possessed soul, possessed by the need to go out and get the bad guys night after night, relentlessly, without stopping. Bale's Batman was a quitter.

 

[CharlieS]

The prequel comic for MOS (which Goyer wrote and is canon) already revealed that Kara was a passenger on that scout ship, and that one of those open, vacant pods belonged to her. However, her current whereabouts are unknown.

They have shown the empty pod in the film never a superman movie have shown an empty pod.

 

[shauner111]

He seemed ordinary to me. I think Stark in the Iron Man films is portrayed as a more intelligent person than Bale's Batman.

Yes but ordinary people don't do the things he did with the sonar lol. He's a highly intelligent man but he's no genius.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

What he did with the sonar was genius level intelligence.

What he lacked in the franchise was his detective skills, but the intelligence was definitely there. I just don't think they made it clear enough.

When you put it like that (and I think you're right), Batman's detective prowess was there as well. Remember the forensic scene? I think they just tried to squeeze everything in, i.e., the missing aspects of his character, at the last possible minute.

 

[Supernewbie]

When you put it like that (and I think you're right), Batman's detective prowess was there as well. Remember the forensic scene? I think they just tried to squeeze everything in, i.e., the missing aspects of his character, at the last possible minute.

yes, the bullet fingerprint right? I think that was there to represent detective skills with the modern technology style of CSI detectives.

 

[shauner111]

He never seemed inspired to me or posessed by an idea. He was literally just moping after a woman the entire time which I found very reductive as a portrayal. To pin the entire neurosis of such an interesting character on unrequited love seems cheesy to me.

Batman should be a possessed soul, possessed by the need to go out and get the bad guys night after night, relentlessly, without stopping. Bale's Batman was a quitter.

The entire time? I guess we saw different movies. They didn't do that at all.

You're not a quitter if you move on to find a better life. A quitter would be if there was intense crime in Gotham City and he sat around doing nothing. Anytime he retired, the streets were either clean or he left the symbol to somebody else. Batman continued just not through Bruce Wayne. It's a different interpretation but it doesn't mean Bruce was a quitter. Miller Bats was more of a quitter during his 10 year absence since crime was so high and he was just drinking. Moping about a woman who you grew up with and loved, who was murdered, is a valid enough reason to mope. He's a human being after all, even if fanboys like to think Bruce Wayne is some machine.

 

[Mysteryman]

I would like to see the Next Bruce Wayne show off his skills at Disguise.

 

[ArmsHeldOut]

yes, the bullet fingerprint right? I think that was there to represent detective skills with the modern technology style of CSI detectives.

Exactly. It was a nice effort on their part, but not nearly enough.

 

[Supernewbie]

I would like to see the Next Bruce Wayne show off his skills at Disguise.

I just remembered Bale using a disguise in The Prestige... not a very good one.

But yes, Batman should use that skill as well in a movie.

 

[shauner111]

For me, I never understood the complaints about seeing more detective skills. It would probably bore me if it was too much. As long as they show him doing detective work im fine. They just need to get the point across that he's no dummy, that he has a brain and he finds things out about criminals. Even if it's minimum, it's perfectly OK with me.

If they do more of that stuff in the reboot, that's cool but I wouldn't want too much. The story matters more, and as a film you need to drive the story forward and focus more on what Bruce is feeling rather than seeing half of the movie thrown away because the fans want to see Batman in front of a computer screen.