Batman Forever

[Fresh Prince]

Did Kilmer even know WB wanted Batman at the time to be family oriented?

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I do think Forever has some of the best Bruce Wayne scenes in any of the Batman films so far, including Nolan's.

Where he is talking to Chase about his fathers journal, him telling Dick about revenge and what it does to a man. Those were some truly brilliant scenes.

Also it showcases his raw intellect more than any other films I think. When he originally talks to Nygma at Wayne Enterprises, Kilmer really exudes an intelligent and eloquent Bruce Wayne. Then you have him solving the riddles and talking psychology with Chase and all that.

I mean, what other Bat film has show cased his intelligence like that? In Nolan's films he relies on technology and Fox too much, never really uses his raw intellect.

And Two Face started off soooo well. His opening speech to the security guard at the bank vault was pure Two Face and some great acting by Jones. Then it just descended into hyper active madness. But I did like the touch of Sugar and Spice appealing to the different sides of his personality, even though it was a little corny.

And I thought Carrey also started off brilliantly. He was perfectly creepy as Nygma at the start, really creepy actually. And I liked the way they showed off his vanity. "Hows my mole?"

Overall I think Forever is a good film and if they could of made it more adult like Kilmer wanted, I'm sure it'd be right up there with Nolan's films.

 

[Travesty]

I mean, what other Bat film has show cased his intelligence like that? In Nolan's films he relies on technology and Fox too much, never really uses his raw intellect.

I also think Nolan makes Bruce rely to much on Alfred.

And Two Face started off soooo well. His opening speech to the security guard at the bank vault was pure Two Face and some great acting by Jones. Then it just descended into hyper active madness. But I did like the touch of Sugar and Spice appealing to the different sides of his personality, even though it was a little corny.

Sadly, this is one of the biggest draw backs to the movie. Sure, the nipples are corny, and so are the neon lights, but even though's could have been overlooked more, if Two-Face wasn't so disastrous.

And I thought Carrey also started off brilliantly. He was perfectly creepy as Nygma at the start, really creepy actually. And I liked the way they showed off his vanity. "Hows my mole?"

I like the way Carrey portrayed the character, to be honest. It reminded me of the '60s version, and there isn't anything wrong with that, IMO.

Overall I think Forever is a good film and if they could of made it more adult like Kilmer wanted, I'm sure it'd be right up there with Nolan's films.

It wasn't as bad as people make it out to be, even though it does have it's fair share of problems, but I think it's an enjoyable watch.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea, Forever just automatically gets associated with Batman and Robin. Even though it isn't really anything like it.

 

[El Payaso]

It's something like it, but much better.

 

[Travesty]

It's something like it, but much better.

Kinda, but I see what you're saying.

 

[X-Woman]

Kilmer would've made great dark Batman film....

Damn, those pictures are great!

Val Kilmer will always be my favorite Batman. He had the most class.

 

[El Payaso]

Val Kilmer will always be my favorite Batman. He had the most class.

Fighting villiains didn't stop him from attending to his erotic date on time. t:

 

[X-Woman]

 

[Spoonman]

Fighting villiains didn't stop him from attending to his erotic date on time. t:

And that car was a hell of a chick magnet, or so Kilmer said

But seriuously, I liked him as Batman / Bruce Wayne and to this day he still is my preffered phisical representation of the character, that's the way that I imagine Bruce Wayne would look like if he existed in real life. Nothing against Keaton and Bale, mad props for those two guys indeed.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Would of loved to see Kiler play Batman in Schumaker's Batman Year One film.

 

[TruerToTheCore]

I do think Forever has some of the best Bruce Wayne scenes in any of the Batman films so far, including Nolan's.

Where he is talking to Chase about his fathers journal, him telling Dick about revenge and what it does to a man. Those were some truly brilliant scenes.

Also it showcases his raw intellect more than any other films I think. When he originally talks to Nygma at Wayne Enterprises, Kilmer really exudes an intelligent and eloquent Bruce Wayne. Then you have him solving the riddles and talking psychology with Chase and all that.

I mean, what other Bat film has show cased his intelligence like that? In Nolan's films he relies on technology and Fox too much, never really uses his raw intellect.

And Two Face started off soooo well. His opening speech to the security guard at the bank vault was pure Two Face and some great acting by Jones. Then it just descended into hyper active madness. But I did like the touch of Sugar and Spice appealing to the different sides of his personality, even though it was a little corny.

And I thought Carrey also started off brilliantly. He was perfectly creepy as Nygma at the start, really creepy actually. And I liked the way they showed off his vanity. "Hows my mole?"

Overall I think Forever is a good film and if they could of made it more adult like Kilmer wanted, I'm sure it'd be right up there with Nolan's films.

I agree.

 

[Rodrigo90]

My most favourite part with Bruce was in Chases office. Where hes looking at the dream protector doll,subtle,but I was moved by just those few seconds of him looking down sadly at the doll...

Kilmer was a fantastic Batman and he really was a great Bruce. He made me want to see more scenes with Bruce than Batman,lol. He just made the character really interesting,not just cause we understood more of him than we did with Michael,but more because of Val himself. The film had elements of camp with the villains (I think this was Shumacers and WB attempt to make them less frightening as Burton got a beating for that with Returns,as younger audiences and family goers were put off). But they tried to bring the more serious stuff in the scenes with Bruce,Chase,Dick,etc and I enjoyed the drama with them, more than the action between Batman and the villains actually.

 

[El Payaso]

One thing I could never buy was that Bruce Wayne went and interpreted that ink test as a bat, ignoring what a Rorschach test is and how it works and putting his secret identity on stake. He even needed to be told what a Rorschach is.

 

[Two-Face]

Why everybody writing Joel Schumacher's name "Schumaker"?

 

[Team Andino]

Why everybody writing Joel Schumacher's name "Schumaker"?

My guess is everyone just typing it as they hear it in there head an don't care enough to make sure its right. I'll be honest I wouldn't check either if I was typing his name. Maybe its because he made Batman & Robin. I sure know I'll never misspell Nolan's name, then again I have a MUCH higher degree of respect for him an it is much easier

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Because he makes shoes!

 

[Two-Face]

 

[david icke]

Because he makes shoes!

Yeah, sometimes what he makes is akin to a lot of old Cobblers.

and I have to say, I agree with what you said about Kilmer's portrayal of BW in BF.

El Payaso: Yeah, you make a good pint about that rorschach blot, but, i can kind of give that a pass as it's mounted in a frame like a picture, and for a guy who has 'bats on the brain', he could just just slip up and say what was on his mind. But, in the end , you are right, that was a major slip up, the last thing BW wants to be talking about is bats.

I like this movie best out of the 89-97 movies, i thought Kilmer was the best BW/BM.
Keaton played Wayne as a somewhat distracted, insular eccentric, whereas Kilmer carried the charismatic smart guy(apart from the rorschach slip)I recognised from the comics.
I liked the realtionship between BW and DG, and there is some nice scenes with DG and Alfred bonding too.
Shame about Two-Face becoming nothing more than a cackler, he has a couple more good moments with Carrey when Carrey introduces himself, they both do, but they didn't do much with the character.
I thought Carrey was fine as Riddler, he looked like he was having a ball, and was good at turning on a dime from funny to threatening.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Yea people rag on O'Donnell, but I thought he was pretty good. The moments with Bruce and Alfred were great.

 

[Two-Face]

He was too old to play Robin.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Ehh that didn't really bother me. The character was still pretty accurate. I think him being a young adult opens up some other avenues too.

Could you really see a 12 year old Robin having that convo with Bruce about revenge? And Dick being like "You can't stop me." and Bruce simply replies "I CAN stop you..." that scene was bad ass.

 

[Fresh Prince]

Yeah seeing a 12 year old fighting crime on film is extremely campy. So Dick being 18 was cool and thats how old he is suppose to actually be.

 

[Chris Wallace]

I sometimes wonder if an actual kid Robin could work on film. I re-watched the movie a couple of weeks ago and STILL find it entertaining, flaws and all. Its follow-up, on the other hand, is now truly just unwatchable.

 

[Two-Face]

Actually I enjoy BF as popcorn flick more so than Batman & Robin.