Batman killed Two-Face...

[Two-Face]

In BF Batman throws coins in the air same time as Two-Face and some people say Joel Schumacher's Batman doesn't kill, just tribute to Adam West Batman.

 

[Joker]

While he didnt KNOW Tw-Face would fall, I think it was fairly obvious that's what would go down there...So it could be argued either way that he intentionally did it or that he didnt. I think it was on purpose.

 

[Bat Attack]

"But his suit is in Batman & Robin!" :/

 

[SHADOWBAT69]

"But his suit is in Batman & Robin!" :/

Heh, yeah, never did quit get that. ??:\


This argument is just like the 89 argument. Did Keaton purposely shoot the rope at Jokers leg to make him fall, or just to prevent him from escaping. Rehardless of his intial intention, he was in a situation that really prevented him from trying to save him when he did fall. With forever tho, Kilmer was able to dive after Harvey, but he didnt, he did nothing, no reaction at all, and hell, Robin just stared and watched him with the look of "good, he's dead". Of course theres also the Begins argument. "I wont kill you, but I dont have to save you". WTF?!

Face it, every movie Batman killed, except Clooney. So whos Batman was more "true" in this case?

 

[El Payaso]

This argument is just like the 89 argument. Did Keaton purposely shoot the rope at Jokers leg to make him fall, or just to prevent him from escaping. Rehardless of his intial intention, he was in a situation that really prevented him from trying to save him when he did fall.

It's obvious Batman couldn't predict the gargoyle was going to crack from its base.

But it's also obvious Batman didn't care too much about Joker's life.

Technically, Batman didn't kill Joker.

With forever tho, Kilmer was able to dive after Harvey, but he didnt, he did nothing, no reaction at all, and hell, Robin just stared and watched him with the look of "good, he's dead".

Yeah, Batman told Robin killing Two-Face was a bad iodea and then he goes and does it.

It's clear that in this case Batman was a ble to predict what was going to happen to Two-Face if he threw the coins around him.

Of course theres also the Begins argument. "I wont kill you, but I dont have to save you". WTF?!

Of course. In here, Batman is also able to predict that if he doesn't save Ra's, he's inevitably going to die.

Face it, every movie Batman killed, except Clooney. So whos Batman was more "true" in this case?

I accept Batman did kill in every movie with no problem.

Then I admit that Clooney was Batman franchise's killer.

 

[Joker]

The suit could have been in Arkham from before Batman Forever, and they just kept it, as even though he's dead, it was evidence still...who knows. He was in Arkham before Forever though, so they could have had his things there.

 

[COMPO]

with the Joker he was trying to stop him from him escaping more so so he could kill him which kind of what went down. And with Two-Face he was in a situation were he was trapped and needed to save Robin and Chase. So he had no choice. Kind **** he didn't save Two-Face thought even thouigh they were friends. lol

Watch out Robin. lmao

 

[cjblair]

with the Joker he was trying to stop him from him escaping more so so he could kill him which kind of what went down. And with Two-Face he was in a situation were he was trapped and needed to save Robin and Chase. So he had no choice. Kind **** he didn't save Two-Face thought even thouigh they were friends. lol

Watch out Robin. lmao

I like Bale not saving people, letting them die, shows he's not a ***** like Tobey Maguire.

 

[RobC]

I like it when Batman kills. That's true to the character.

No wait, sorry...

In BF it's more Harvey's actions that kill him. If he'd chosen not to go for the coin he'd be fine. Like Chase said, it's his achilles heel.

 

[Two-Face]

I like it when Batman kills. That's true to the character.

No wait, sorry...

In BF it's more Harvey's actions that kill him. If he'd chosen not to go for the coin he'd be fine. Like Chase said, it's his achilles heel.

Funny how the coin lands on his dead hand.....



Still Batman killed him anyhow.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Funny how the coin lands on his dead hand.....



Still Batman killed him anyhow.

^ I like that part!t:

 

[El Payaso]

In BF it's more Harvey's actions that kill him. If he'd chosen not to go for the coin he'd be fine. Like Chase said, it's his achilles heel.

They're actions based on a compulsive behaviour, something that Harvey Dent - as any other obssessive-compulsive - can not control just like that. Batman knows this. He knew for a fact that Harvey wasn't going to be able to let his coin go away like that even if it could mean his own death, and he took advantage of this "Achilles' heel" to kill him.

 

[El Payaso]

I like Bale not saving people, letting them die, shows he's not a ***** like Tobey Maguire.

Stop saying that!

 

[DX]

This is kinda like the "Batman drops Napier explanation" thing. lol

I like Bale not saving people, letting them die, shows he's not a ***** like Tobey Maguire.

So Maguire's a ***** for not letting people die?

OK then.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

This is kinda like the "Batman drops Napier explanation" thing. lol

So Maguire's a ***** for not letting people die?

OK then.

DAMN RIGHT HE IS!! lol

 

[DX]

DAMN RIGHT HE IS!! lol

So, according to his logic, every superhero is a *****.

 

[RobC]

They're actions based on a compulsive behaviour, something that Harvey Dent - as any other obssessive-compulsive - can not control just like that. Batman knows this. He knew for a fact that Harvey wasn't going to be able to let his coin go away like that even if it could mean his own death, and he took advantage of this "Achilles' heel" to kill him.

Yeah, that's exactly my point. Batman took advantage of his compulsion. But did he do it to kill him?

We'll never know...

Oh, and, Maguire is a *****. He also kills (SM1) so let's just stop.

 

[Captain Planet!]

I swear, that was one of the dumbest deaths in movie history.

 

[DaRkVeNgeanCe]

Come on we all love the cliche plummet to your own death scene, its not like we've seen it 100 times or anything.

 

[Bat Attack]

Haha, I love it.

 

[COMPO]

The thing about the Ra's thing is that Batman had to get out of there and he did smash the window giving Ra's ample oppurtunity to save himself. And with Two-face he didn't take advantage of his compluse out of malice but, to save himself, Robin and Chase. The man was going to shoot them for god sake.

 

[The Guard]

It could be argued that he killed in BATMAN. We know he uses lethal force, though we never really see anyone actually die, as I recall. Batman's actions did lead to The Joker's death, but Joker had every opportunity not to hang onto that ladder and buck the laws of physics.

He uses lethal force and likely kills in BATMAN RETURNS, though again, any deaths are offscreen.

But in BATMAN FOREVER, Batman did not kill Two-Face. Throwing a handful of coins into the air, even if you know the person will try to catch them, is not killing someone. Did he take advantage of Two-Face's compulsion? Sure, to distract him, but Two-Face is the idiot who reached out and stepped off the ledge.

I don't remember him killing in BATMAN & ROBIN.

In BATMAN BEGINS, he caused a series of explosions and a fire that likely led to deaths, but again, offscreen. And he refused to save Ra's Al Ghul after James Gordon blew out the tracks. I don't think you can argue he killed him, though not offering the chance for life is out of character for Batman.

 

[Jick]

But in BATMAN FOREVER, Batman did not kill Two-Face. Throwing a handful of coins into the air, even if you know the person will try to catch them, is not killing someone. Did he take advantage of Two-Face's compulsion? Sure, to distract him, but Two-Face is the idiot who reached out and stepped off the ledge.

agreed.
it's all a matter of choice.
Batman made Two-Face choose. he chose wrong and this led to his doom.
simple.

 

[The Joker]

Of course he killed Two Face. What on earth made him think that there was any kind of possibility that Two Face would not try and catch the coins?

Two Face was standing on an extremely narrow ledge, and Batman knew it. And he didn't even make an attempt to save Two Face when he did fall.

 

[El Payaso]

So, according to his logic, every superhero is a *****.

Not Burton's Batman.

Yeah, that's exactly my point. Batman took advantage of his compulsion. But did he do it to kill him?

We'll never know...

Yes we will.

Batman was fully aware of that precipice below them. Any little imbalance means death.

Not only that but Batman was able to save both Robin and Chase. Conscious of this he didn't move a finger when he triggered Harvey's fallen.

The thing about the Ra's thing is that Batman had to get out of there and he did smash the window giving Ra's ample oppurtunity to save himself.

How? Ra's doesn't have the memory fabric cape.

And with Two-face he didn't take advantage of his compluse out of malice but, to save himself, Robin and Chase. The man was going to shoot them for god sake.

Once again, Batman could have saved him AFTER he started to fall.

But in BATMAN FOREVER, Batman did not kill Two-Face. Throwing a handful of coins into the air, even if you know the person will try to catch them, is not killing someone.

It is if you know the person's imbalance happens above a precipice and it is if you can stop that fallen you triggered yourself, but you decide not to do a thing.

Did he take advantage of Two-Face's compulsion? Sure, to distract him, but Two-Face is the idiot who reached out and stepped off the ledge.

Imbalance is not idiocy.

I don't remember him killing in BATMAN & ROBIN.

Just the franchise was killed.

In BATMAN BEGINS, he caused a series of explosions and a fire that likely led to deaths, but again, offscreen. And he refused to save Ra's Al Ghul after James Gordon blew out the tracks. I don't think you can argue he killed him, though not offering the chance for life is out of character for Batman.

I totally agree.