Batman OYL discussion thread

[trustyside-kick]

Oh, I didn't read the Gotham Knights thing. The "Hush" arc certainly seemed to imply that he was intended for the big leagues of Batman's rogues gallery, though.

Yea I can understand that. Hush could have really become something great. I do not agree with some people saying that Gotham Knights killed the Hush character from being anything great but it was not all that bad. Maybe what would have been best since Loeb created the character was for Loeb to write Hush Returns.

 

[Anubis]

Never liked Hush.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I loved it.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Never liked Hush.

I wasn't too impressed with the character myself. The arc was all right, if really simple and popcorny.

 

[Anubis]

I didn't like the story either. I expected more from Loeb after having read Long Holloween, Dark Victory. and other stories. Bit of a let down for me. The start of his slump in my opinion.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, after Long Halloween most Batman stories are let-downs, really. It's still my absolute favorite Batman story ever.

 

[trustyside-kick]

TLH is my favorite as well. But I would not say that a lot of Batman stories after it were a let down.

 

[Anubis]

Me too. Batman at his finest.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

TLH is my favorite as well. But I would not say that a lot of Batman stories after it were a let down.

I meant if you were to measure most other Batman stories to TLH. Other stories can be enjoyed on their own merits, but they all pretty much pale in comparison to TLH and, to a lesser extent, Year One for me.

 

[Anubis]

I liked No man's land. I also enjoyed Murderer/ Fugitive, and parts of War Games. I also liked most of the Red Hood stuff. Some really powerful moments in that arc. Just didn't care for Hush. But i'm loving the current arc. It's not TLH, but it's been very good so far. James Robinson rulz.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

I liked pretty much everything Rucka was involved with on Batman, especially Murderer/Fugitive. War Games was all right, but basically a pale imitation of NML. I think the current arc is all right, but nothing really that special. I'm kind of dismayed with the implications it makes for the GCPD, too.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I liked No man's land. I also enjoyed Murderer/ Fugitive, and parts of War Games. I also liked most of the Red Hood stuff. Some really powerful moments in that arc. Just didn't care for Hush. But i'm loving the current arc. It's not TLH, but it's been very good so far. James Robinson rulz.

I loved everything from As the Crow Flies to present OYL. I hated Broken City...that story had like no point to it...nothing special about it...and I loathed the artwork in it.

I really want to get my hands on the War Game saga. But at the bookstore they have not had all of the acts...I have given it some though and maybe I will just buy them online.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Oh, I liked "As the Crow Flies," but I was turned off by the Red Hood stuff, so I skipped all that trash. I liked "Broken City," though.

 

[Anubis]

I liked pretty much everything Rucka was involved with on Batman, especially Murderer/Fugitive. War Games was all right, but basically a pale imitation of NML. I think the current arc is all right, but nothing really that special. I'm kind of dismayed with the implications it makes for the GCPD, too.

What implications would that be?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

What implications would that be?

That practically everyone involved in it is corrupt, including (and here's the main sticking point) Akins, the commissioner Gordon appointed as his replacement. Also, Bullock himself was corrupt. It wasn't enough that he'd gone out a disgrace for trying to assassinate Gordon's shooter from the "Officer Down" arc? Bah. AND it just makes the whole system look ******ed because, after the entire force turns out to be corrupt--a good number of whom Gordon himself hand-picked--they get Gordon himself to come back in. A man who's gotta be pushing 70 or 80 by now, who was shot on the job and is physically not in great shape, AND who apparently has such horrible judgment that his most trusted people on the force turned out to be corrupt? What the hell is the Gotham City Council thinking? The whole thing just doesn't make sense to me, and it makes the GCPD look a hell of a lot bleaker and makes me feel like Gotham Central counted for absolutely nothing.

 

[Jono87]

Quick Q before posting my thoughts, how would I post images from my hard drive?

 

[TheCorpulent1]

You'd have to host them somewhere. You can get a free account for hosting images at www.photobucket.com or www.imageshack.com or a number of other places.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Quick Q before posting my thoughts, how would I post images from my hard drive?

I use photobucket. Go here and make an account, then upload the pictures onto that side. When you do that copy the tag and the picture should show.

[url]www.photobucket.com[/url]

 

[Anubis]

Well, I do agree about Gordon coming back. I thought they should have promoted Maggie Sawyer to Commish. If anything it takes things back to the status quo. The Cops are all corrupt with the exception of only a few trusted individuals. It was kinda like that during Gotham Central. Everybody was corrupt except the SCU. And even then, a lot of them were *****e bags. A couple of them could not have believably come to accept this kinder, more cop friendly Bats after the s**t that went down in War games and the Joker arc of Gotham Central. Sure, I hope a few of the old SCU officers show up like Josie and her partner. Maybe in back up stories in Detective Comics.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, but the main thing I found ****ed up was that Akins was corrupt. If the rest of the force except the SCU is corrupt, that's one thing, but Akins was basically where the buck stopped for the SCU itself. That he was corrupt basically means that all of Gotham Central was for naught. The good men and women of the GCPD SCU, no matter how dedicated they were to upholding the law and fighting the good fight and all that idealistic crap, none of it mattered because the guy who called the shots for them was dirty. All this new stuff about corruption in the GCPD makes all of Gotham Central seem hollow to me. For all we know, Akins could've been screwing over the investigation into Corrigan, totally nonchalant about the fact that Allen, one of his best cops, was killed by that prick because hey, what does he care, he's a corrupt disgrace to the badge, too.

 

[Anubis]

Well, that depends entirely upon what Akins was guilty of doing. They made him corrupt for two reasons, one, he didn't seem like he would change his stance on the Bat, I dont' think a year apart would make the heart grow fonder for the pointy eared freak. and two, it was a convenient way to get rid of him and bring Gordan back. Which is what they really wanted. It's not that big a deal to me though. I can get over it as long as good stuff can come out of it. Just wish GC hadn't had to go. I was reading that Joker arc again like last week. Great stuff man.

 

[Jono87]

Of what I read pre-IC, Batman was never a *****e IMO. With that said however, Robin's absence was most definately palpable. Therefore, as most are saying, I too am definately enjoying this current arc, and Batman's lighter characterization OYL. Also, as if to rectify my one pre-IC complaint, Robin's involement and importance are things that I am also enjoying.

As to the upcoming Batman & Son arc, I recognize that many believe that Ibn will become canon. However I ask you to consider the following. Though the overall pose is definately not exclusive to these two panels, in the context is the connection too farfetched?

A couple of other things...

Corp, I wonder if you could provide a scan of the page you got your avatar from and/or provide the context of the scen that it was taken from.

As far as my preference of Bat stories, the only one that I have read that I didn't completely enjoy was Arkham Asylum, and I'm fairly certain it is because I didn't understand the depth of the story. Odd considering how many classes I have had regarding the analysis of literature etc.

And thanks for the help with my previous question.

 

[trustyside-kick]

As far as my preference of Bat stories, the only one that I have read that I didn't completely enjoy was Arkham Asylum, and I'm fairly certain it is because I didn't understand the depth of the story. Odd considering how many classes I have had regarding the analysis of literature etc.

Heh of all of those words that have been typed and entered in this whole forums you just put the one that sticks out the most to me. This whole senior year of english has been mainly analyzing literature...now I guess I owe my teacher for teaching it to us in such depth. Has helped me appreciate some of the Batman stories I overlooked before.

 

[Jono87]

I cant speak for anyone else, but I can certainly say that for all of the analysis taught to me in high school I certainly look at movies, novels, or any entertainment medium with a greater depth then I ever did beforehand. Plus it certainly comes in handy in the college courses I take these days, but I am pulling the thread off topic, and for that I apologize.

 

[trustyside-kick]

I cant speak for anyone else, but I can certainly say that for all of the analysis taught to me in high school I certainly look at movies, novels, or any entertainment medium with a greater depth then I ever did beforehand. Plus it certainly comes in handy in the college courses I take these days, but I am pulling the thread off topic, and for that I apologize.

Oh heck ya...the thing I "analyze" the most now more than anything are new movies that come out. The fact that we are doing our film unit at the moment takes a huge role in that as well.

Ah yes..but we must get back to topic. One Year Later is turning out to be great..the thing I like most is the BTAS vibe that you get when reading it. Face The Face is proving itself to be a great mystery. Is it coincidence that other great stories (TLH and DV) have lead us to believe Harvey to be the bad guy? I think not.