Batman OYL discussion thread

[TheCorpulent1]

Well, that depends entirely upon what Akins was guilty of doing. They made him corrupt for two reasons, one, he didn't seem like he would change his stance on the Bat, I dont' think a year apart would make the heart grow fonder for the pointy eared freak. and two, it was a convenient way to get rid of him and bring Gordan back. Which is what they really wanted. It's not that big a deal to me though. I can get over it as long as good stuff can come out of it. Just wish GC hadn't had to go. I was reading that Joker arc again like last week. Great stuff man.

Doesn't matter what he was guilty of doing. If he got booted off the force for it, it was obviously something either extreme or unsavory or both. I get that they just wanted to bring Gordon and Bullock back so there'd be recognizable faces on the GCPD, but I'd still like to see some kind of reference to Gotham Central so that it doesn't feel like they're just sweeping the whole series under the rug the way Marvel did Morrison's X-Men. For example, who's this Harper chick? They couldn't have had Maggie Sawyer or Sarge or Marcus or even Stacy accompany Gordon upstairs? The fact that they're all entirely absent gives me a bad feeling that the intended implication is that they were all corrupt, too. The GC characters had become recognizable faces, too, after all.

 

[Anubis]

Well, my guess is we'll see how it all went down in 52. I'll make my judgements then.

 

[sinewave]

That practically everyone involved in it is corrupt, including (and here's the main sticking point) Akins, the commissioner Gordon appointed as his replacement. Also, Bullock himself was corrupt. It wasn't enough that he'd gone out a disgrace for trying to assassinate Gordon's shooter from the "Officer Down" arc? Bah. AND it just makes the whole system look ******ed because, after the entire force turns out to be corrupt--a good number of whom Gordon himself hand-picked--they get Gordon himself to come back in. A man who's gotta be pushing 70 or 80 by now, who was shot on the job and is physically not in great shape, AND who apparently has such horrible judgment that his most trusted people on the force turned out to be corrupt? What the hell is the Gotham City Council thinking? The whole thing just doesn't make sense to me, and it makes the GCPD look a hell of a lot bleaker and makes me feel like Gotham Central counted for absolutely nothing.

corp, i can't remember bullock's direct dialog discussing the corruption in the gcpd ranks and i don't have access to the book right now because i'm at work, but based on your post above two things occurred to me. 1) maybe bullock was exagerating when he said that the entire gcpd all the way up to akins was corrupt, and 2) maybe akins himself wasn't guilty of corruption but of not recognizing the corruptions within his force. i could be wrong here but it's something to consider. not to mention, that corruption within law enforcement can be a tricky and complex thing. meaning, there are different levels of corruption and sometimes the people guilty of it are actually trying to do the right things the wrong way. don't be too hard on gordon for selecting many of the possibly corrupt cops, i'm sure he used his best judgement at the time and wasn't aware of the impending corruption.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

If they qualify Bullock's spiel in a way that doesn't make the entire Gotham Central series look like an exercise in futility, I'll be happy. All I can base my opinion on is what I've been presented with so far, though.

But, as I said, outside of the GCPD stuff the current arc is pretty good.

 

[sinewave]

If they qualify Bullock's spiel in a way that doesn't make the entire Gotham Central series look like an exercise in futility, I'll be happy. All I can base my opinion on is what I've been presented with so far, though.

But, as I said, outside of the GCPD stuff the current arc is pretty good.

agreed. i'm loving this first oyl arc.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Yea the story Face the Face is going very smoothly right now.

 

[Nightwing 52]

It's the rebuilt of Bruce's and Tim's relationship that I'm enjoying, as well as the arc itself of course.

 

[trustyside-kick]

It's the rebuilt of Bruce's and Tim's relationship that I'm enjoying, as well as the arc itself of course.

Yea...reminds me more of the animated series.

 

[cerealkiller182]

Yea...reminds me more of the animated series.

Thats interesting you say that because I feel that a lot of things made a jump from DCAU, mostly in character protrayal. Maybe it is just because I stopped reading comics for a long time but still watched the DCAU.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Well the only reason I say it reminds me of the BTAS days was because the fact that you see like Robin more and several parts you see Batman working with Gordon more often. Like that one scene in I believe the first OYL issue with Robin on the file cabinet, Bats standing, and Gordon sitting at his desk. The main thing is probably because we are seeing more Robin than usual.

 

[Nightwing 52]

Thats interesting you say that because I feel that a lot of things made a jump from DCAU, mostly in character protrayal. Maybe it is just because I stopped reading comics for a long time but still watched the DCAU.

Not to mention Robin's new suit being depicted from the one he wore in DCAU, from the cartoon series to the comics.

 

[trustyside-kick]

Not to mention Robin's new suit being depicted from the one he wore in DCAU, from the cartoon series to the comics.

Yea I know. I loved seeing Tim Drake in TNBAS in that red and black suit.

I love the first Robin suit and all...

...but this new suit is badass.

I did not really like Tim's old suit all that much...

 

[The Caped Knight]

Yea I know. I loved seeing Tim Drake in TNBAS in that red and black suit.

I love the first Robin suit and all...

...but this new suit is badass.

I did not really like Tim's old suit all that much...

I totally agree with you 100 %

 

[SpideyInATree]

I had a lot of catching up to do on these books. Missed Detective # 818 and it took me a month to get it. So I had three books in a row to read, which turned out to work nicely.

But anyhoo...

I'm really digging this A LOT. Taking Batman to the basics, and with the way Infinite Crisis # 7 ended, helped take things into a better perspective. But I can't believe that they offed the Ventriliquist. That was bad ass too.

I really don't think that it's Harvey Dent, but there is a tiny part of me that wants to think that Harvey is the one who took these guys out.

But I hope that it's not Harvey.

The side story with Jason Bard was a really nice touch and I actually thought that the Bard character was kind of cool...well, good things must come to an end.

 

[Binker]

BATMAN #653

REVEW:
Story: Harvey and Two Face confront one another. Harvey remembers his time with Batman moments before he left Gotham at the end of Infinite Crisis #7. With everything good that had happen in his life, Two Face twists it his way. In the end: its a rebirth.

Not much going on. Evidence of the Two Face side of Harvey doing the murders is brought up in light. I knew it was him, although while mentioned it isn't 100% said it was him.

One of the big things from this issue was that this was Harvey's side of the story of pre-52 and what was it like to protect Gotham during the Dark Knight's absence. Which begs the question, since I'm not reading 52, if Batman hired Harvey to protect Gotham then why is The Question in Gotham to begin with in 52?

That's somethign for 52 readers to find out. Not me.

Overall, an old enemy has returned and with two more issues to go of this arc, one wonders how it will end. And plus, what are the plans Batman has with Robin.

REVIEW: 7/10

 

[GoldenAgeHero]

BATMAN #653

REVEW:
Story: Harvey and Two Face confront one another. Harvey remembers his time with Batman moments before he left Gotham at the end of Infinite Crisis #7. With everything good that had happen in his life, Two Face twists it his way. In the end: its a rebirth.

Not much going on. Evidence of the Two Face side of Harvey doing the murders is brought up in light. I knew it was him, although while mentioned it isn't 100% said it was him.

One of the big things from this issue was that this was Harvey's side of the story of pre-52 and what was it like to protect Gotham during the Dark Knight's absence. Which begs the question, since I'm not reading 52, if Batman hired Harvey to protect Gotham then why is The Question in Gotham to begin with in 52?

That's somethign for 52 readers to find out. Not me.

Overall, this was a filler issue. An old enemy has returned and with two more issues to go of this arc, one wonders how it will end. And plus, what are the plans Batman has with Robin.

REVIEW: 7/10

how is it a filler issue, when it has everything to do with the arc?

some how i think harvey's side killed the question. he probably got jealous and ended up murdering him over territory ya know?

 

[sinewave]

how is it a filler issue, when it has everything to do with the arc?

some how i think harvey's side killed the question. he probably got jealous and ended up murdering him over territory ya know?

i doubt he killed the question. i'm glad two-face is back now. the art in this one was awesome. i love kramer's take on two-face.

 

[Binker]

I made a mistake. its fixed.

 

[Jono87]

I knew it was going to happen, because it needed to happen, but it would have been cool to have Harvey around a little longer. Either way, I guess its cool to have Two Face back. But Damn! He totally poured Nitric acid on his own face. Ouch.

 

[sinewave]

I knew it was going to happen, because it needed to happen, but it would have been cool to have Harvey around a little longer. Either way, I guess its cool to have Two Face back. But Damn! He totally poured Nitric acid on his own face. Ouch.

yeah, i was wondering how he carved up his face like that without even acknowledging the pain. then i realized he probably doesn't have any working nerve endings on that side of his head from the original acid attack.

 

[Emerald Knight]

I knew it was going to happen, because it needed to happen, but it would have been cool to have Harvey around a little longer. Either way, I guess its cool to have Two Face back. But Damn! He totally poured Nitric acid on his own face. Ouch.

well, isn't it a bit different this time around? Wasn't two-face the dominant persona when Harvey was Two-Face the first time around? Now it seems like they're "sharing the rent," so to speak...

still can't wait for the next part

 

[GyLocke]

Here's a good example of Batman's more lightharted, OYL persona

 

[Emerald Knight]

Here's a good example of Batman's more lightharted, OYL persona

Damn...the new Bats works fast now doesn't he.

 

[Fledermaus]

What's that from?

 

[GyLocke]

A few panels that didn't make it to the comic, for Batman's... unique portrayal.