Batman R.I.P.

[DW4]

After all the issues I feel real disappointed, Morrison promised us an epic chain of events and well it wasn't. I and many others suspected Jezebel to be either the Black Glove or apart of it and was right. I was surprised at how Bruce knew about everything from the beginning and "acting" to love Jezebel was a nice touch.

If I am correct we find out what happens when Bruce returns to the cape and cowel in the next 2 issues and his final fate is to be determined in Final Crisis, which is set after R.I.P?

 

[MysterioMenace]

Realistically how long did anyone expect a bruce wayne batman to last?

Realistically? Forever. In continuity of course he’ll die someday and/or retire. In actuality…hate to break it to you…he’s a work of fiction. He’s a timeless character and thusly should remain timeless. So long as there’s a Batman, there will be a Bruce Wayne. Mark my words. Morrison may be attempting to sabotaged Wayne via a so-called tribute, but in actuality this will never ever have lasting effects. Grant's delusional or egotistic. Perhaps both. Bruce will be back, whether he likes it or not. It’s an inevitability.

 

[Saint]

The hilarious thing is that you think Morrison believes Bruce Wayne won't be back--and that his removal is Morrison's responsibility, when that actually falls on editorial as much as Morrison (and possibly more so, depending on where the idea originated). Oh, and that he "sabotaged" Wayne. Yeah, that's what he did.

 

[SpideyInATree]

Finally read the last issue of the recent RIP story arc. I was really indifferent about this all and it grew on me as the storyline continued. I watched as Morrison wrapped about different aspects of his total run on the book. It definitely got me pumped but I guess the ending sort of just sat as anti-climatic to me. That is unless some things kind of change in the epilogue to all of this. Not a horrible story but the ending kind of left a bit of a bad after taste in my mouth. Still a pretty powerful Batman run.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

In actuality…hate to break it to you…he’s a work of fiction. He’s a timeless character and thusly should remain timeless. So long as there’s a Batman, there will be a Bruce Wayne. Mark my words.

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[Evil_Meanie]

Hm? What are you saying here?

In Volume 4 of Sandman (Seasons of Mist), Satan/Lucifer/The Devil quits Hell. At the end of the volume, Hell is being run by two angels.

In Morrison's JLA story (collected as Strength in Numbers) the Sandman (Daniel) shows up to help the JLA in an invasion by Starro the Conqueror. This shows that Morrison considers the events of the Sandman trades to be canon in his writing.

So...unless Morrison has changed since then, and he really hasn't changed much, the Devil isn't exactly the Devil anymore. Morrison doesn't change continuities to suit his writing...just take a look at his Joker.

 

[Saint]

In Volume 4 of Sandman (Seasons of Mist), Satan/Lucifer/The Devil quits Hell. At the end of the volume, Hell is being run by two angels.

In Morrison's JLA story (collected as Strength in Numbers) the Sandman (Daniel) shows up to help the JLA in an invasion by Starro the Conqueror. This shows that Morrison considers the events of the Sandman trades to be canon in his writing.

So...unless Morrison has changed since then, and he really hasn't changed much, the Devil isn't exactly the Devil anymore. Morrison doesn't change continuities to suit his writing...just take a look at his Joker.

Okay. I haven't read Sandman--though I did read the JLA story that featured him--so I don't know the details, but the way you're describing it makes it seem as if the devil is displaced, not gone. That seems like it would improve the chances of Hurt being the devil.

 

[Evil_Meanie]

Okay. I haven't read Sandman--though I did read the JLA story that featured him--so I don't know the details, but the way you're describing it makes it seem as if the devil is displaced, not gone. That seems like it would improve the chances of Hurt being the devil.

Well not exactly, the Devil just sort of retires. He cuts off his wings and everything. At the end of the book, he's in Australia admiring the sunset.

So if Morrison is taking all of that into account, then this whole thing wouldn't really be Satan's M.O.

I'm really sorry if I spoiled anything, but the story was over ten years old.

But yeah...that's one of my numerous reasons for believing that Hurt isn't Satan.

Doesn't Damian kill the Satan Batman in issue 666, even though he thought he was immortal because of Hurt? Doesn't that damage Hurt's Satan credibility a bit?

Personally I think it's Pierce. That's what Batman says, and he's clearly known about the Black Glove for awhile. And I think there's a lot more to the line, "my father's double....and mine." That's a bit of an odd thing to say, when was he ever Bruce's double?

I wouldn't be surprised if this somehow ties in with Darkseid, though, considering Batman's final fate is in Final Crisis.

 

[K.B.]

New preview of this weeks Batman issue

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=24477

 

[CaptainClown]

so I was rereading R.I.P. and I have determined that all this series reminds me of is Rat Race. A bunch of rich guys betting on humans.

 

[FCEEVIPER]

New preview of this weeks Batman issue

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=24477

That's a fricken huge bat Alfred threw out. t:

 

[Dark Victory]

New preview of this weeks Batman issue

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=24477

Meh...

 

[Saint]

Well not exactly, the Devil just sort of retires. He cuts off his wings and everything. At the end of the book, he's in Australia admiring the sunset.

Ah, yes, I suppose that wouldn't fit.

So if Morrison is taking all of that into account, then this whole thing wouldn't really be Satan's M.O.

Hm. I don't know; I'm not entirely sold that Morrison would take this into account. After all, in the story where Damian is Batman, Damian references having made a deal with the devil (or something so close that it might as well be the devil), hence his immortality. Morrison must imagine something operating in that capacity.

I'm really sorry if I spoiled anything, but the story was over ten years old.

No worries.

Doesn't Damian kill the Satan Batman in issue 666, even though he thought he was immortal because of Hurt? Doesn't that damage Hurt's Satan credibility a bit?

To be fair, we don't know whether the Third Batman was supposed to have been empowered in any way; just that Damian had been.

Personally I think it's Pierce. That's what Batman says, and he's clearly known about the Black Glove for awhile. And I think there's a lot more to the line, "my father's double....and mine." That's a bit of an odd thing to say, when was he ever Bruce's double?

I think he may be referring to Pierce's role in the film. The film was about a couple corrupted by wealthy gamblers--paralleling Bruce and Jezebel. I don't know who Pierce played, but if he played the man in this couple, that would be Bruce in the real-life corresponding situation. Hence, Bruce's double.

I could be entirely off-base, though.

 

[Saint]

New preview of this weeks Batman issue

http://www.newsarama.com/php/multimedia/album.php?aid=24477

Neat. I'm looking forward to this story a great deal.

 

[CaptainClown]

If I dream hard enough I will get that Batman series I have been wanting so I don't feel compelled to buy this.

 

[alexdunn]

That's a fricken huge bat Alfred threw out. t:

What the hell!!?? Bad perspective mistake?

 

[Drz]

So Bruce goes back to home and seems... looney. :P

 

[CaptainClown]

So Bruce goes back to home and seems... looney. :P

"what annoys me? MOTHS!...Criminals are a simple people... I will annoy them like a moth! ALFRED!"

 

[Spade]

The first few pages are a dream. Bruce dreams that Alfred announces his resignation right before cleaning up the crashed remains of a giant bat. The actual events of the previous night have the bat landing in Bruce's room through an open window and show Alfred aiding him in taking up an alternate disguise for the time being.

 

[CaptainClown]

oh i know, I just like to pretend like he does do it.

 

[Spade]

Oh, I was responding to alexdunn. Probably should've quoted him.

 

[Saint]

Actually, I think what's happening isn't Bruce having a dream, but the dying Alfred (as per the solicitation) mis-remembering how Wayne's first night out went, and then considering how his vigilante identity might have turned out if something else had flown through the window.

 

[Joker]

Well not exactly, the Devil just sort of retires. He cuts off his wings and everything. At the end of the book, he's in Australia admiring the sunset.

Lucifer actually got his own spin off book. It lasted for quite a while and ended last year. It ends with him flying into the unknown, possibly to create his own universe, after a final confrontation and talk with god.

 

[Drz]

I don't have the Year One Graphical novel with me here, but can someone explain the "tender my resignation" part pretty please. :P

 

[Goldenage Batman]

So did batman?....die...