BvS Batman/Superman Pushed Back to 2016 - Part 1

[NoLaNitE007]

It would appear so.

It would explain a great many things...

 

[NoLaNitE007]

I see WB as forcing Disney's hand, and they're pushing back in kind. WB knows the May 2016 MCU film isn't going to be a huge juggernaut like The Avengers was, and they're positing BvS as the 2016 juggernaut. Marvel/Disney's like, "Okay, if you want that May 2016 spot -- we'll open Ant-Man same day as Pan!"

Keep in mind Alan Horn used to work at WB (and he had say over the release dates with Jeff Robinov)... Disney has him now. I wouldn't be surprised if he okayed the decision to move it up to mid-July.

It shows the insecurity Disney/Marvel may have....which they shouldn't. Petty little BS is all it is.

It will be a nice little battle though. With Hugh Jackman as the baddie Blackbeard and Charlie Hunnam as the younger version of Hook battling it out pirate style.

I would think Pan will probably be more of the date type of film since the ladies would rather see Jackman and Hunnam as pirates (with shirtless scenes I'm sure) instead of comedian Rudd and old timer Douglas.

 

[jmc]

I honestly can't see the appeal of Ant Man. I like who's involved but I really struggle to see what about the concept is going to draw people in.

 

[NoLaNitE007]

I honestly can't see the appeal of Ant Man. I like who's involved but I really struggle to see what about the concept is going to draw people in.[/QUO

 

[Skrilla31]

I imagine Avengers 2 is gonna set the stage for Ant Man in some fashion.

Not saying it's bound to be a smash hit but hey you never know.

 

[Kal-El.9859]

I honestly can't see the appeal of Ant Man. I like who's involved but I really struggle to see what about the concept is going to draw people in.[/QUO

I won't be seeing it. Like you, I like the people involved but there is no appeal. Just the name Marvel slapped on it

 

[roach]

I'll see Ant-man and GOTG but I am not expecting much from them.

 

[TheFlamingCoco]

^ I feel like Ant-man will be a bit silly (Edgar Wright's doing it), and GOTG will be somewhat critically polarizing like the Hobbit movie was.

 

[InJustice]

I imagine Avengers 2 is gonna set the stage for Ant Man in some fashion.

Not saying it's bound to be a smash hit but hey you never know.

Avengers 2 already has a lot to focus on, and I highly doubt Whedon is going to focus on Ant-Man (especially since to him, Ultron has an entirely new origin).

 

[NoLaNitE007]

I'll see Ant-man and GOTG but I am not expecting much from them.

I'm not interested in seeing either film really. No appeal to me and I'm just not a fan of the source material. I am interested in seeing this origin type of Pan pirate film though. I think it could surprise.

 

[DigificWriter]

About the BvS filming schedule: A delay in filming was never actually confirmed; people just took Gal's comments about not filming until May to mean something they clearly did not.

 

[InJustice]

About the BvS filming schedule: A delay in filming was never actually confirmed; people just took Gal's comments about not filming until May to mean something they clearly did not.

See:

It's not been debunked. Deadline is not infallible. Rule of thumb in this industry is unless all of the trades (i.e. Variety, THR, Deadline and The Wrap) report the same news it's not official news. Deadline has been wrong. THR has been wrong. Variety has been wrong. Wrap has been wrong. Considering A) none of the other trades picked up that info, B) it was buried in another article -- VERY unlike Deadline who are exclusive happy, and C) the WB press release has conflicting information, it's probably not true.

For those who missed it, here's the press release in full:

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[PRESS RELEASE] BURBANK, CA – January 17, 2014 – Warner Bros. Pictures announced today that the release of Zack Snyder’s untitled Superman/Batman film has been moved to May 6, 2016, allowing the filmmakers time to realize fully their vision, given the complex visual nature of the story. The decision was made following the shift of the start of production to second quarter of this year.

The Studio has also set a July 17, 2015, worldwide release date for its as-yet-untitled all-new Peter Pan adventure. Joe Wright will direct the epic live-action film about the boy who would never grow up, created by J.M. Barrie. The dual date announcement was made by Dan Fellman, President, Domestic Distribution, and Veronika Kwan Vandenberg, President, International Distribution, Warner Bros. Pictures.

In making the announcement, Fellman stated, “We are happy to take advantage of these coveted summer dates, which are perfect for two of our biggest tentpole releases. We share the fans’ excitement to see DC Comics’ most popular figures, Superman and Batman, together on the big screen for the first time, which will now be arriving in theatres in May 2016. Peter Pan has delighted people of every generation for more than a century, so we are thrilled to bring him back to the screen next summer for today’s moviegoers.”

Kwan Vandenberg added, “We know that there is already great anticipation building for the next Super Hero film from Zack Snyder, and we are equally eager to see what he has in store for Superman and Batman as they share the big screen for the first time ever. The summer release corridor is also perfect for Joe Wright’s ambitious new Peter Pan adventure, reimagining the ageless story of the beloved and forever-young hero for audiences worldwide.”

Zack Snyder’s Superman/Batman film stars Henry Cavill, reprising his role as Superman/Clark Kent, and Ben Affleck as Batman/Bruce Wayne. The film will also reunite “Man of Steel” stars Amy Adams, Laurence Fishburne and Diane Lane, and also stars Gal Gadot as Wonder Woman/Diana Prince.

Snyder will direct the film from a screenplay written by David S. Goyer, from a story co-created by Goyer and Snyder. Charles Roven and Deborah Snyder are producing, with Benjamin Melniker, Michael E. Uslan and Wesley Coller serving as executive producers.

The film is based on Superman characters created by Jerry Siegel & Joe Shuster, Batman characters created by Bob Kane, and Wonder Woman created by William Moulton Marston, published by DC Entertainment.

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Same goes for THR reporting Terrio is involved. It's not in the press release and they're alone is saying he's involved.

The pecking order of accurate news is: Studio press release > Trades (plural) > major news outlets (i.e. EW, TV guide) > Actor/director/producer interviews > aggregate news outlets > blogs/fansites > Twitter/Facebook/messageboards

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Whether or not Deadline is infallible is irrelevant. They, like Variety and THR, are a legitimate entertainment news entity and thoroughly 'vet' anything they report on, as all good legit news entities do.

 

[InJustice]

^ Whether or not Deadline is infallible is irrelevant. They, like Variety and THR, are a legitimate entertainment news entity and thoroughly 'vet' anything they report on, as all good legit news entities do.

That's not the point. The point is PoniBoy copying the whole press release coming from Warner Bros., which confirmed that production is in fact moved to Q2 (May-June). So this isn't people blowing this out of proportion as you suggested.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Deadline's reporting is more recent than the Warner Bros. Press Release, and it is very conceivable that the decision was made to go ahead and film now even though it had been previously announced that they were going to wait a month or two longer.

 

[InJustice]

Just because Deadline reported after WB's press release, doesn't mean that WB is actually doing as Deadline states in their article. Deadline could very well be wrong. Plus, you do have Gal saying production started in May.

 

[D.P.]

Never was an Ant-Man fan, but I'll continue to support any quality CBM because I remember there was a time when CBMs couldn't get made.

All we had was cartoons and I had to use my imagination to visualize how these characters would look in real life like a sucker.

Never again.

 

[Poni_Boy]

^ Deadline's reporting is more recent than the Warner Bros. Press Release, and it is very conceivable that the decision was made to go ahead and film now even though it had been previously announced that they were going to wait a month or two longer.

Which could be true, but like I said when all of the trades don't report the same news, it's likely inaccurate (which happens more often than you think). Coupled with the fact that the WB release was only a week ago, and Deadline buried that tidbit of news (which they would usually use as an EXCLUSIVE) in an unrelated article, it makes it even less viable.

 

[John-An]

Just because Deadline reported after WB's press release, doesn't mean that WB is actually doing as Deadline states in their article. Deadline could very well be wrong. Plus, you do have Gal saying production started in May.

But shooting maybe for her. Maybe they'll shoot some things first and required Gal until May

 

[DigificWriter]

Just because Deadline reported after WB's press release, doesn't mean that WB is actually doing as Deadline states in their article. Deadline could very well be wrong. Plus, you do have Gal saying production started in May.

What part of the statement "Deadline is a legitimate entertainment news entity and doesn't report on things without doing thorough vetting" did you miss?

No news agency is infallible, but dismissing the Deadline report out-of-hand just because it conflicts with what Warner Bros. said several days ago is ridiculous.

As for Gal's comments, just because she doesn't start filming until May doesn't mean that filming on the movie as a whole is still being delayed until then even if it were going to be at the time Warner Bros. announced that it was.

 

[Poni_Boy]

WB said production (i.e. first unit filming) takes place Q2 2014. That is the last, certified factual piece of information that has been released. Anything else that didn't pass the trade smell test is just speculation.

It costs upwards of $100,000 per day of production for a tentpole genre movie (twice as much if you're using IMAX or 3D cameras). You don't just enter production whenever you feel like it. The start and end dates of a production have to be greenlit by the studio, it's not up to the filmmakers. Zack and Co can do as many months of pre-pro (much lower cost) as they'd like -- and they should -- because all that background work will help them to minimize actual production days.

 

[DigificWriter]

^ Again, what part of the statement "Deadline is a legitimate entertainment news entity and does not report on things without having thoroughly vetted what they're reporting" did you not understand?

Legitimately credible news entities do not make things up, so if Deadline is reporting that filming on BvS has not in fact been delayed, they got that information from somewhere and would not have reported it if they did not believe that it is factual.

 

[SpideyFan866]

But shooting maybe for her. Maybe they'll shoot some things first and required Gal until May

Gal hasn't finished her training yet, so maybe.

 

[Poni_Boy]

What part of "Deadline is not infallible" do YOU not understand? They, Variety, THR and The Wrap have been wrong before. They're actually wrong pretty often compared to how accurate they should be.

A big, legitimate piece of news from Deadline would first of all carry an Exclusive tag and secondly it would be picked up by the other trades within an hour at the latest.

That is how this works. Ask anyone who operates in this business (here are two suggestions: https://***********/marcgraser or https://***********/TheInSneider )

Deadline, particularly, is wrong more often than the other three trades. Again, ask anyone credible who works in this industry.

It just seems like you're choosing to believe them because you want to. If that's your prerogative, fine. But claiming it's accurate when it hasn't passed the smell test is a falsity that others in this thread will take as gospel.

 

[slumcat]

WB said production (i.e. first unit filming) takes place Q2 2014. That is the last, certified factual piece of information that has been released. Anything else that didn't pass the trade smell test is just speculation.

It costs upwards of $100,000 per day of production for a tentpole genre movie (twice as much if you're using IMAX or 3D cameras). You don't just enter production whenever you feel like it. The start and end dates of a production have to be greenlit by the studio, it's not up to the filmmakers. Zack and Co can do as many months of pre-pro (much lower cost) as they'd like -- and they should -- because all that background work will help them to minimize actual production days.

Exactly. There are 250 to 300 people on the set of a tent pole. You can't start production on a whim. These movies are as it is monstrously expensive.