BvS Batman v Superman - Reviews Thread [TAG SPOILERS]

[KingKane88]

The editing is bad, not just the missing 30 minutes but it seems like the scenes are not shown in order.

Maybe the missed footage makes it feel like the scenes are not seen in order, could that be possible? That Snyder filmed the movie from his vision of the script, then had to take out a little to much (30min is ALOT of missing footage for a movie), so had to go back to the drawing board in the editing room to try to piece a puzzle together that didn't have all the pieces anylonger, which just made it a sloppy mess?

I just find it odd that even before the movie comes out in theaters Snyder already announces a rated R extended cut with 30 extra minutes on it. Seems fishy, as if he was pissed about having to take this footage out in the first place.

With MOS, Snyder said "Maybe" to an extended cut but it never came to be, but he only said this after being asked. With BvS he seemed determind to get the word out there quick, as if he knew the theatrical cut was not the movie he fully intended it to be?

 

[DA_Champion]

I think part of the problem is there's too much pandering to the DC fan base, like specifically to us, and that's going to be a problem.

You mean the way it was so obvious that they were avoiding casualties?

 

[matt47]

Maybe the missed footage makes it feel like the scenes are not seen in order, could that be possible? That Snyder filmed the movie from his vision of the script, then had to take out a little to much (30min is ALOT of missing footage for a movie), so had to go back to the drawing board in the editing room to try to piece a puzzle together that didn't have all the pieces anylonger, which just made it a sloppy mess?

But once again. Snyder should have realized he wasn't making a 3 hour movie when shooting/developing it.

 

[DA_Champion]

Maybe the missed footage makes it feel like the scenes are not seen in order, could that be possible? That Snyder filmed the movie from his vision of the script, then had to take out a little to much (30min is ALOT of missing footage for a movie), so had to go back to the drawing board in the editing room to try to piece a puzzle together that didn't have all the pieces anylonger, which just made it a sloppy mess?

The most obvious failed scene transition is when Perry White says "is he going to click his shoes three times and end up back in Kansas?"

And the next scene has nothing to do with Clark being in Kansas.

 

[jmc]

You mean the way it was so obvious that they were avoiding casualties?

I'm talking more about the references and the fact the movie seems to just assume you know why characters do certain things. I can see a lot of this movie going over the casual audience heads.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

I think part of the problem is there's too much pandering to the DC fan base, like specifically to us, and that's going to be a problem.

what are some examples?

 

[spidey-dude]

Does anyone here who (obviously) seen the film feel the main issue was with the editing? Meaning, do you guys feel the extra 30min that was taken out, and that will be in the extended cut will greatly help it be a much better movie?

I'm just trina put a finger on where the main cause lays.

I felt like too much of the setup stuff was edited out but they bizarrely left in pointless stuff (namely the dream sequences) that could have easily been left off and cut down the battles slightly

pay off just doesnt work without a good enough build up

oh and wonder woman was pointless

 

[Tim_Riggins]

The dream sequences are not pointless, they are setting up what is to come, just because you didn't get it doesn't mean it's pointless, just like Wonder Woman isn't pointless.

 

[jmc]

what are some examples?

Specifically the dream sequence and the Flash thing off the top of my head. I can't image any of that really making sense to some people.

 

[spidey-dude]

The dream sequences are not pointless, they are setting up what is to come, just because you didn't get it doesn't mean it's pointless, just like Wonder Woman isn't pointless.

within this movie yes the dream sequences feel very very pointless - they make batman seem paranoid and dont further the plot when other scenes needed expanding significantly - how does it set it up, so batman can say "oh I had a premonition this might happen" it doesnt lay a strong foundation for it and it doesnt further this movie at all - please explain what I didnt get about them?

Wonder Woman is cool, but she doesnt add anything to the movie

I wonder have you actually seen it, or just defending it because you like DC?

 

[roach]

But once again. Snyder should have realized he wasn't making a 3 hour movie when shooting/developing it.

In filmmaking you always want to shoot more than the movie you are making.

 

[spidey-dude]

In filmmaking you always want to shoot more than the movie you are making.

exactly, the decisions of what to cut is where the problem lies I think - its frustrating as theres a lot of good and potential and it just doesnt ever quite realise it

 

[AnneFan]

If the dream sequences make Batman seem paranoid I don't see that as a bad thing. I like Batman to be borderline mental, in certain characterisations.

 

[Zur-en-Arrh]

Specifically the dream sequence and the Flash thing off the top of my head. I can't image any of that really making sense to some people.

but is this a sub-plot or does it throw you off the narrative? sounds like maybe what the knightmare was could have been better explained, but i can also see the appeal of leaving an element of mystery to it. guess i'll see tomorrow. but a flash cameo alone doesn't sound like the movie is pandering to comic fans.

 

[jmc]

If the dream sequences make Batman seem paranoid I don't see that as a bad thing. I like Batman to be borderline mental, in certain characterisations.

Did you get a chance to see it yet?

 

[Tim_Riggins]

I saw the film. I'm sure Zack and Terrio would have wanted to put out the 3 hour R rated cut, but they got to make money, more showtimes, R rated BvS film would never happen in theaters.

About the dream sequence

Spoiler

It's setting up Justice League, Darkseid, a possible future where Lois has been killed (directly or indirectly) by Bruce leading to Superman becoming a tyrant. Flash reaches out to him to tell him Lois is the key, for what, who knows yet, that he has to find the other metahumans, and that he was right about him, who could be Superman or Darkseid or who knows

So no, it's not pointless. It will go over the general audience's heads for sure, but they'll get it later. Nobody but the fans had any idea of who Thanos was, or that kind of thing either (and yes, I know being an after credits scene is different)

 

[AnneFan]

Did you get a chance to see it yet?

Tomorrow. Still have a weird energy about it all, nervous and hopeful, but going in with no expectations. Just hoping it plays to my sensibilities.

 

[spidey-dude]

If the dream sequences make Batman seem paranoid I don't see that as a bad thing. I like Batman to be borderline mental, in certain characterisations.

the idea he is worried Superman could enslave them all is a good one, but it isnt presented particularly well through these dreams really

 

[jmc]

Tomorrow. Still have a weird energy about it all, nervous and hopeful, but going in with no expectations. Just hoping it plays to my sensibilities.

Hope it works out for you.

 

[roach]

If the dream sequences make Batman seem paranoid I don't see that as a bad thing. I like Batman to be borderline mental, in certain characterisations.

And considering this Batman is based of Miller's Batman...you know he's borderline mental and paranoid. Wanting to kill someone over a 1% chance they may go evil is pretty paranoid.

 

[spidey-dude]

I saw the film. I'm sure Zack and Terrio would have wanted to put out the 3 hour R rated cut, but they got to make money, more showtimes, R rated BvS film would never happen in theaters.

About the dream sequence

Spoiler

It's setting up Justice League, Darkseid, a possible future where Lois has been killed (directly or indirectly) by Bruce leading to Superman becoming a tyrant. Flash reaches out to him to tell him Lois is the key, for what, who knows yet, that he has to find the other metahumans, and that he was right about him, who could be Superman or Darkseid or who knows

So no, it's not pointless. It will go over the general audience's heads for sure, but they'll get it later. Nobody but the fans had any idea of who Thanos was, or that kind of thing either (and yes, I know being an after credits scene is different)

yeah and I know all that as a fan of comics, but for this movie it doesnt serve any purpose, batman having some premontions that pay off in a future movie are pointless and not having them in this movie wouldnt hurt any future movies where it actually happens, [BLACKOUT]the flash going back in time would have been sufficient and worked better on its own (unfortunately I though Ezra Miller was awful even in that brief scene and I'm very worried about The Flash)
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when a movie needs more development into its story it seems very silly to waste time on something that gives hints of future movies

what also was so important for wonder woman to be involved?

Spoiler

why couldnt batman have just seen her along with the other meta humans in the files so he knows theres others and kept this movie to just superman and batman? What does her showing up actually add

 

[AnneFan]

Hope it works out for you.

Thanks. We'll see.

And considering this Batman is based of Miller's Batman...you know he's borderline mental and paranoid. Wanting to kill someone over a 1% chance they may go evil is pretty paranoid.

Indeed. You know, I've embraced the darkness and I'm ready for an angry, jaded and merciless killer.

 

[king666]

The dream sequences are not pointless, they are setting up what is to come, just because you didn't get it doesn't mean it's pointless, just like Wonder Woman isn't pointless.

Knightmare scene is pointless in the context of the movie. Adds nothing to the narrative. [BLACKOUT]The Flash cameo is also pointless[/BLACKOUT]. And Wonder Woman adds nothing to the story. She's there for the marketing. And really, the Justice League setup is terrible. It managed to make me less excited to see the Justice League on screen.

 

[Citadel30]

http://comicandscreen.blogspot.fr/2016/03/interpreting-batman-v-superman-reviews.html?m=1

I feel this is a good article on the RT situation. Most of the reviews are actually mixed, and not outright negative, the average rating is more telling than the score itself (kinda like those super high RT percentages for films with a low average rating)

This line really jumped out at me:

"If Zoolander 2 is unfunny, then by all means lower its rating. But if BvS is unfunny, that's because it wasn't trying to be funny."

I think because Marvel established a comical superhero brand (which i really love and enjoy), the mainstream critics feel all CBMs should have comedy intertwined in these movies and failure to do so during action sequences results in a failed superhero movie (and in BvS's case, a choppy storyline too).From what I've read, many critics have said its too dark, not fun, takes itself too serious, etc. Guess what... that was the intent. I mean, its all good and i get it. i am not butt hurt that the critics are not flopping around with joy over this movie, because i LOVE this darker and more complex take on the DC universe. Of all the Marvel movies, CA:WS was my favorite marvel movie so far and why??? It was a complex and deep storyline.

Basically, its disappointing for me to see BvS get such low grades from critics (currently hovering around 5-6 on actual RT scores), but it seems from the way the reviews have been written that majority of them have grown accustomed to and enjoy the Marvel brand and nothing will change that and thats perfectly fine, again, i think they are fantastic movies.

I am just so ready to see this raging batman on the IMAX i can barely stand it.

 

[Angel0fDeath]

Little quote from a review I just read (google translated) :

" ... But the paradox does not come from the weaknesses of " Batman vs Superman : Dawn of Justice" , but from lack of nerd - culture; It comes from a hard to ignore fact that Marvel over the last decade brought up and grown audience so accustomed to the pattern of their otherwise objectively triumphant franchise that does not tolerate or understand what has similar fable or archetypal proportions , but fundamentally many-faced suggestion and style. ... "