The Dark Knight Rises Batman - Villain?

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I decided to start the thread as a suggestion of a new idea of possible third film's development.

As we know, Nolan loves to always amaze us by choosing to introduce fresh ideas, especially in superhero genre. And, as such great villians as Joke, Two-Face and Scarecrowe have already been used, isn't he going to give a Batman a new view - a view of villian to Gotham? Don't you think police will start hunting batman till they finally catch him, bring to the trial and leave in Arkham, where he will be the prisoner?

That's just my speculation, and yes, I think this idea deserves its own thread :)

Oh, and, I am sorry for my mistake in the thread's title.
 
I guess everybody is busy talking about who's going to play the Riddler, although it's not even confirmed that he's going to be the main theme in the third film (and I am not even talking about his appearance).
 
Well your idea is basically what people that have seen the film have been saying will happen in the next film due to some events at the end of TDK.
 
And has anybody except me suggested the idea of Batman as a prisoner of Arkham yet?
 
yeah if Batman is the villain then what does that make the Riddler? If he's on TV solving crimes and puzzles then he must be the good guy. And what happens when Catwoman starts handing out jewelry in the Narrows, she's a good girl too then right
 
No offense but the idea of Batman as an Arkham patient on film doesn't sound right to me.
That would mean that his identity would have to be revealed to the public, and he'd have to be declared insane.
Yeah Batman's abit crazy, but full on insane, don't think so.
And as far as his identity being know to the public that's a movie killer right there.
Happened in Spider-Man 2 and that scene totally wrecked it for me, and i didn't bother with it after that point.
 
Catwoman? People are still thinking she will ever appear in this trilogy? I doubt there will be even a hint about her. And The Riddler? Can't he be one of the Arkham prisoners.

Gotham will never forget what batman did to its people and Harvey, so I doubt that even Bruce will do the same to his alter ego and that what will make him change his methods to fighting dirty and killing his enemies. So that will be another reason for police to bring him to trial and then to Arkham. I also think, as Gotham will become a very depressive place to live, people there will start doing crazy things and there will be some kind anarchy begun as post-Joker period.
 
No offense but the idea of Batman as an Arkham patient on film doesn't sound right to me.
That would mean that his identity would have to be revealed to the public, and he'd have to be declared insane.
Yeah Batman's abit crazy, but full on insane, don't think so.
And as far as his identity being know to the public that's a movie killer right there.
Happened in Spider-Man 2 and that scene totally wrecked it for me, and i didn't bother with it after that point.

His identity doesn't have to be revealed. I remember watching one episode from TAS, where the same happened to him and other villians started their own trial over him in Arkham to take revenge.
 
So you want Batman to go to Arkham still wearing his suit so his identity isn't revealed?
Remember that Nolan is basing this in reality, so i'm assuming the same laws and procedures would allow in his films. I can't see Batman being sent to Prisonn/ Arkham without the media and the public paying alot of attention to it, and without his identity being revealed.
 
But as Gordon is a lieutenant, he could ask judge to keep Batman in his suit, as he would still have some hope for him. I am just thinking that the whole thing of Batman getting into Arkham is way better than just a usual superhero formula, where a hero fights a villain, and that's what Nolan is always trying o change in Batman franchise. He doesn't want it to be limited to genre ranks. Besides the whole idea of make a third film as a detective thriller seems vagues and more like a sub-theme to the whole film.
 
No offense but I'm not a fan of the going to Arkham thing.
Like i said Nolan is big on his reality and the judge letting Batman keep his suit because Jim Gordon asks nicely I don't think that would work in real life, and i sure as hell don't want to see it in a Nolan film.
I understand that Nolan wants to reinvent the comic book film, but i don't think this is the way he'll go, besides it sounds too much like the rumored Green Arrow film Supermax anyway.
 
Ummm, ok, then what approach would you like Nolan to go with?
 
Funny enough Batman was sent to Arkham twice once in the opening story arc of 'the shadow of th bat' series

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Batman:_The_Last_Arkham

Having read it at the time I remember that Jeremiah Arkham said he wanted Batman to reveal his identity to him as part of his mental treatment.

another time was in the animated series. I haven't seen this episode but here is a summary from wiki

"Dreams In Darkness" 028 Dick Sebast Judith & Garfield Reeves-Stevens
November 3, 1992 Summary: Batman has been incarcerated in Arkham Asylum after being exposed to fear gas and having hallucinations to the point that he actually drives the Batmobile off the road (he thought he was about to crash into Robin). Batman knows that the Scarecrow has escaped for the second time and is planning to dump his fear toxin into the water supply. Can Batman bring himself to break the law and escape from Arkham before the Scarecrow brings Gotham to its knees?
some similarities with BB me thinks?
 
^^^

Thanks for the info, the idea only proves that there is nothing that can't happen in Batman's world.
 
I can believe that in a Batman comic him being locked up in Arkham has been done. The thing is though, as i keep saying is Nolan is basing this is reality. There is no reality in letting a man dressed as a Bat with thousands of dollars of weapons and equipment waltz into a mental asylum without his identity being known. It can work in the comics, but in a realistic approach of the Batman stories it wouldn't happen. Could that happen in real life, No, no way in hell. And that's why i don't want to see it happen in a Nolan direct Batman film.

As for how i would want the next film to progress I'm still uncertain. I just know what i don't want the direction to be.
 
I am just getting tured of all that "Nolan's realism" s***, because this term is so overused that I am about to kill anybody, who mentions it.

Anyway, warren, I see that you're uncertain and that's why you don't consider any other ideas as possible directions, but when Nolan will note that he is going with this or that choice already suggested by someone among us, you'll love it. So if nolan tries to bring "Batman in Arkham" into reality, you'll surely say that it works in his universe and forget about his realism.

And, as you don't like this idea, then why do you keep posting here? We've already realized that!
 
So if they took him to arkham they'd unveal to all of gotham that Batman is indeed bruce wayne? I dont like that idea.
 
Bad idea. You want them to unmask Batman and make it about him in Arkham? No thanks. Try that with Iron Man, or where you probably got the idea with Hancock. This will not work with Batman nor should it.

P.S. I saw a mention of SM2. Not to get off topic how did Peter's identity get revealed on the train? Did any of them mknow who Peter Parker is or is he famous? Nope.
 
^^^

Have you read all my posts? As I can guess, NO! I said that Batman didn't have to be unmasked!!!

For God's sake, I don't get you people! You need to ask a man thousand times to make sure that
Harvey Dent will die in the movie
and I am not amazed that equal quantity of posts are needed to convince you that my idea DOES NOT include Batman being unmasked!!! Can you read?
 
Ummm, ok, then what approach would you like Nolan to go with?

Well, from what we've seen in BB was how Bruce Wayne trains, becomes, and basically begins his life as BatMan; and in TDK it goes to how he's going to handle the responsibility and whether or not if Bruce Wayne is his mask or is it BatMan. And which everyone got the exact words from Rachel actually forshadowing that piece of TDK plot at the end of Begins; so with that said, now that we've had BatMan begin and chosen how to live his life as both Wayne and BatMan, what approach would you be aiming for man? :word: :brucebat:
 
^^^

Have you read all my posts? As I can guess, NO! I said that Batman didn't have to be unmasked!!!

For God's sake, I don't get you people! You need to ask a man thousand times to make sure that
Harvey Dent will die in the movie
and I am not amazed that equal quantity of posts are needed to convince you that my idea DOES NOT include Batman being unmasked!!! Can you read?

Well someone is upset. :whatever:
 
I find this a very interesting idea, and I've thought of it myself in the past few days...

Two-Face dies in TDK (so I doubt he'll use him :oldrazz: )

and I'm positive Nolan will have enough compassion to not recast Joker and just have him a mystery. But what we do have...

is at the end, Batman takes the blame for Two-Face's killings, and now he is basically a fugitive.

What I am posting, it is almost a necessity to read the spoiler tags, btw. :oldrazz:

So now who's the obvious villain to come into the picture? The villain who knows Batman's identity! The Riddler. Riddler will discover Batman's identity and then riddle and clue in the GPD as to who it is. Batman is forced to kill Riddler in order to save his identity, but this just puts him into more sinking sand.

Maroni is killed in TDK

So we need a new crime boss... who's the perfect choice? Black Mask. Black Mask will try to unite Gotham's criminal syndicate under one banner.

The Dark Knight against The Black Mask.

SHADOW OF THE BAT
Black Mask
The Riddler​

And in the midst of all this, the GPD is bent on getting custody of Batman and in one scene they actually do... they interrogate him and place him in Arkham. The Riddler is also in there. Batman manages to escape, and in the process Riddler escapes with him.

I tell you, I'm getting more and more interested with this 3rd film... and it's not even begun script writing yet! :oldrazz:
 
I am just getting tured of all that "Nolan's realism" s***, because this term is so overused that I am about to kill anybody, who mentions it.

Anyway, warren, I see that you're uncertain and that's why you don't consider any other ideas as possible directions, but when Nolan will note that he is going with this or that choice already suggested by someone among us, you'll love it. So if nolan tries to bring "Batman in Arkham" into reality, you'll surely say that it works in his universe and forget about his realism.

And, as you don't like this idea, then why do you keep posting here? We've already realized that!

"Nolan's Realism" is what he has chosen to use in his films. Any idea you have has got to be based within realism. He's got a good routine going here, let's not ruin it by "fan demands"... but at the same time, I like this idea of Batman going to Arkham.

I'm sure Nolan can think of a good reason for Batman to still be in his mask... like you've said, maybe Gordon will plea with the GPD to leave his mask on. At least have him interrogated, and for that he doesn't have to have his mask off.

... actually... why not have them attempt to remove his mask and he begin to beat up the mask-remover. They decide to let him sit there with his mask on. An Arkham doctor then tries to persuade him to remove it, saying it'll help his mental health.

I do hope, however, that you are not insinuating that Batman be the only villain for the 3rd film... o_O
 
I know that the realism isnt THAT realsitic with a guy dressing up as a bat, cars jumping on roofs ect. But putting a man in jail without identifying him is something really unrealistic even for a fantasy or a science fiction movie. Its not logical.
 

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