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The Dark Knight Rises Is bringing back Robin such a good Idea?

Nolan has said that Robin will not appear in the films he will be involved with. So we wil have at least three good ones!! Not that Robin can't work, it's just that Bats is finally being depicted the way most Bat-fans have always wanted, and that is done best when Robin isn't included.
 
Robin should be in a Batman movie done RIGHT. And before you talk about bright yellow costume, look at the Tim Drake Robin's costume. That costume is pefect. You get a kid about 13 years old, martial arts and gymnastic background, and it would be perfect. Hell, make the killer of his parents be The Joker. It would work perfectly. My idea for a Robin Costume would be some sort of tight fighting fabric for the legs and arms. A rubber chestplate and a cape like Batman's. Get the Chris O'Donnell Robin out of you're brains. That is NOT the comics Robin.
 
I see Robin in the Tim Drake style ninja outfit, only with red and green instead of all black, even though I'd prefer Dick Grayson to appear first. I definitely don't think it's a good idea to have the Joker kill his parents though. That was a big problem with the first movie. Not everything needs to be connected. I don't like the idea of Joker "creating" Two-Face either, but that's another story.

I recently read the actual first appearance of Robin back in Detective Comics in the 40's and even they got it right despite the mild camp that was prevalent anyway. Robin is a direct reflection of Batman: He's lost and has nobody, and it's Bruce's opportunity to take in and care for somebody who is in the exact position that he was in all those years ago. He has the chance to curb the boy's anger and resentment and channel it into something good. That little oath by candlelight is awesome and would make for a great scene between Bale and whomever they cast as Dick Grayson, so long as the cheese and triteness of it is filtered out, leaving only the core emotion and impact of something like that.

This, of course, is MANY movies into the series now. Batman can't possibly father or mentor anybody for at least three more movies. He's just learning himself. He's honing his skills as a detective and a crimefighter and needs the time alone to cement himself as THE pro. Robin will come along once Batman has gotten so good at what he does that his psychosis and habit is actually pulling him further and further into the dark side. He wants to be Batman more and Bruce Wayne less, he's becoming a workaholic about it, and it's taking a toll on his health-both physical and mental. That would be the perfect time to have Robin because that's what Robin's primary role is: to hold Batman back from going so far off the deep end that there's no sign of a shore anymore. Robin is the human side of Batman-the human side that he's slowly losing as his obsession with doing what he does grows bigger and bigger over time.

I don't think that Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan see all that in Robin. They kind of see it as a way to lighten Batman up and make him more kid-friendly, and while he DOES do that, it's become so much more. It's awesome storytelling if done correctly, which I'm sure David Goyer would if he wanted to continue writing for the series. Robin is underestimated, sadly, and not a lot of people really get how vital he is in keeping Batman more human than not.

Like I said, this is A LONG TIME after the events of Batman Begins. Once that's established, there's no way they can go wrong if they play it the way I've mapped out. That's a non-camp, important, interesting, and worthwhile Robin.
 
LostSon88 said:
if my memory serves me right, Bruce didn't encounter Dick until he was well into his mid to late 30s?

Your memory serves wrong. Robin has always entered the story a year or two after Batman first arrives. Batman's in his mid-late 20s when he meets Dick, max.
 
Yeah, he encountered his little friend, mr. dick after loosing his beer belly from his early party years... oh, did I just say that? :p
 
Slipping_Halo said:
I see Robin in the Tim Drake style ninja outfit, only with red and green instead of all black, even though I'd prefer Dick Grayson to appear first. I definitely don't think it's a good idea to have the Joker kill his parents though. That was a big problem with the first movie. Not everything needs to be connected. I don't like the idea of Joker "creating" Two-Face either, but that's another story.

I recently read the actual first appearance of Robin back in Detective Comics in the 40's and even they got it right despite the mild camp that was prevalent anyway. Robin is a direct reflection of Batman: He's lost and has nobody, and it's Bruce's opportunity to take in and care for somebody who is in the exact position that he was in all those years ago. He has the chance to curb the boy's anger and resentment and channel it into something good. That little oath by candlelight is awesome and would make for a great scene between Bale and whomever they cast as Dick Grayson, so long as the cheese and triteness of it is filtered out, leaving only the core emotion and impact of something like that.

This, of course, is MANY movies into the series now. Batman can't possibly father or mentor anybody for at least three more movies. He's just learning himself. He's honing his skills as a detective and a crimefighter and needs the time alone to cement himself as THE pro. Robin will come along once Batman has gotten so good at what he does that his psychosis and habit is actually pulling him further and further into the dark side. He wants to be Batman more and Bruce Wayne less, he's becoming a workaholic about it, and it's taking a toll on his health-both physical and mental. That would be the perfect time to have Robin because that's what Robin's primary role is: to hold Batman back from going so far off the deep end that there's no sign of a shore anymore. Robin is the human side of Batman-the human side that he's slowly losing as his obsession with doing what he does grows bigger and bigger over time.

I don't think that Christian Bale and Christopher Nolan see all that in Robin. They kind of see it as a way to lighten Batman up and make him more kid-friendly, and while he DOES do that, it's become so much more. It's awesome storytelling if done correctly, which I'm sure David Goyer would if he wanted to continue writing for the series. Robin is underestimated, sadly, and not a lot of people really get how vital he is in keeping Batman more human than not.

Like I said, this is A LONG TIME after the events of Batman Begins. Once that's established, there's no way they can go wrong if they play it the way I've mapped out. That's a non-camp, important, interesting, and worthwhile Robin.

:up:

Except for the "LONG TIME THING", I agree. I'd be just as happy for Robin to appear in film 2 as I would for film 4. That said, a Robin-free trilogy would be fine too.

I agree that perhaps Nolan isn't aware of the depth and nuances of the character and the importance of the relationship between him and Batman.

Eventually, the Lone Wolf needs a Cub.
 
lujho said:
:up:

Except for the "LONG TIME THING", I agree. I'd be just as happy for Robin to appear in film 2 as I would for film 4. That said, a Robin-free trilogy would be fine too.

I agree that perhaps Nolan isn't aware of the depth and nuances of the character and the importance of the relationship between him and Batman.

Eventually, the Lone Wolf needs a Cub.


Absolutely. The only reason I think it should be a while before he shows up (certainly NOT movie 2) is because you can't mentor somebody if you're still a beginner yourself. At the end of Batman Begins, he's till quite an amateur. It's going to be a while before he's really got a grip on what he's doing and had it down pat. Whenever that is, which I think would be a few movies down the road (at least 2 or 3 more), then Robin can definitely show up and be relevant.

By the way, Lujho, do you have a bigger picture of the Batman in your avatar? I'd like to see it if you do.
 
If Robin is introduce, |I think it should be much, much later, and certainly not before film four. And even then, since training takes time, why not first introduce Dick Grayson? Then, in a subsequent movie, you might introduce Robin. Let's not overcharge the franchise with characters.

That said, I am not a big fan of the character, although I know he can be developed well. I can watch a movie with Batman alone for a couple of times.
 
They co0uld put robin in the next movie but he should be like 15, 16 years old.
but he should not show up in costume until the end of the movie.
also they should change the color scheme you can't hide in the shadows with those bright colors
 
Why shouldn't it be? Truth is, Robin can be and could be an excellent character if translated (say it with me now) accurately, faithfully and properly into a Batman movie, and not treated cheaply or as mere comic relief. This route was more or less wasted on Schumaceur, who wanted his movies to resemble the '60's Batman show' in the first place, but that is no reason for not giving the character a second chance as some people try to make it out to be, since you better be willing to discredit a second coming of a Movie!Two-Face if your equally willing to hold Schumaceur responsible for Robin not re-appearing in a new Batman movie. Robin doesn't suck because of Schumaceur, and Robin certainly doesn't suck because of his costume colour scheme and occasional light-hearty lines. The only reason he would suck is if he was left in the hands of unimagintive writers and filmmakers. If you just think Robin plain sucks because you dont particular care for his character, than fair enough, but be willing to say so rather than attempting to justify with mere rhetoric why he shouldn't appear in a movie for any other reason.
 
have robin, and let him get killed by the joker like he did in an ancient comic, just after the end of the campy comics era!
 
Zaphod said:
Why shouldn't it be? Truth is, Robin can be and could be an excellent character if translated (say it with me now) accurately, faithfully and properly into a Batman movie, and not treated cheaply or as mere comic relief.

Cheap treatment and a comic relief were Robin's origin in comics. From that POV, he has been translated faithfully.

Zaphod said:
This route was more or less wasted on Schumaceur, who wanted his movies to resemble the '60's Batman show' in the first place, but that is no reason for not giving the character a second chance as some people try to make it out to be, since you better be willing to discredit a second coming of a Movie!Two-Face if your equally willing to hold Schumaceur responsible for Robin not re-appearing in a new Batman movie. Robin doesn't suck because of Schumaceur, and Robin certainly doesn't suck because of his costume colour scheme and occasional light-hearty lines. The only reason he would suck is if he was left in the hands of unimagintive writers and filmmakers. If you just think Robin plain sucks because you dont particular care for his character, than fair enough, but be willing to say so rather than attempting to justify with mere rhetoric why he shouldn't appear in a movie for any other reason.

Mh. Robin sucks as a character, beyond Tv series or Schumachers. Two-face, on the other hand, doesn't suck and we all know it was Schumacher who ruined it. Not the same case than Robin. Who needs to made up excuses to not to have Robin? We have like 66 years of reasons (suit and colors included.)
 
El Payaso said:
Cheap treatment and a comic relief were Robin's origin in comics. From that POV, he has been translated faithfully.

Mh. Robin sucks as a character, beyond Tv series or Schumachers. Two-face, on the other hand, doesn't suck and we all know it was Schumacher who ruined it. Not the same case than Robin. Who needs to made up excuses to not to have Robin? We have like 66 years of reasons (suit and colors included.)

Robin is a decent character; he's introduction was characterised poorly since it was merely a gimmick to attract infant readers and reduce the grim-storytelling. However, Batman's original character was that of a killer-viglilante who spurted sexist one liners, and that original portrayal is also greatly disliked. 'Robin's Reckoning', 'Robin: Year One'? Both these story prove the characters potential, since he brings into view Batman's own dubiousness of character, tactics and devotion to crimefighting through different eyes, while bringing into consideration the Dark Knight's mortality. Keep Robin's costume (variation on Tim Drake design and only slightly darkened), and keep his occasional light-hearty ways, since Spider Man has them and we still feel for the predicament and grim dealings of his character. There is no reason why the character cannot work, unless you lack imagination.
 
Hell 2the yeah! said:
If Warner Bros. brings back Robin to the Silver Screen, he should be Nightwing, and secondly, he should be fighting Batman. They should both view each other as unnecessary. Nightwing should view Batman as just another vigilante menace, and Batman should view Nightwing as an up-start rookie who's getting his panties into a bunch. That conflict, along w/ a villain running free to do as he pleased, because of the vigilante differences, would make a compelling story. The darker the better. Gritty realistic performances are the best!
Is bringing back Robin such a good idea? Maybe not but this idea is alot worse.
 
AH robin, I never really liked Him... well besides in the teen titains BUT that's a whole another story.. I really don't see a Need for him Unless they Go tho All three robins In one movie Dick then in the next be becomes nightwing SO batmans Gets whats-his-face then In the (3rd movie with robin). whats-his-face dies and you get Tim in the 4th ....
 
hippie_hunter said:
Robin should be in a future Batman movie. Just not in the next two films. Bring him in Batman 4
agreed.
 
Nirr said:
AH robin, I never really liked Him... well besides in the teen titains BUT that's a whole another story.. I really don't see a Need for him Unless they Go tho All three robins In one movie Dick then in the next be becomes nightwing SO batmans Gets whats-his-face then In the (3rd movie with robin). whats-his-face dies and you get Tim in the 4th ....
That's just moving way too fast.
 
i think robin could be done ok, i dont no anything about night wing but the idea of Him being competing with batman like someone described earlier i thought was good, Robin shouldnt come yet, he must have his own villian i.e his own final fight and kiss ass not just leave it to Batman, Batman must also depend on him at some point his sanity is a good idea I feel aspecially if Scarecrow is involved, Robin must be Dark, have a good back story and not just a circus boy he must have learnt stuff somewhere to make him dynamic he should never seem as Batman's sidekick but more of an equal and some might hate me but there should only ever be one robin, no lots of robins like the 2nd the 3rd etc, he should cameo as a person first probably around the 3rd 4th film and become robin later and I think it would be good for Joker to Kill Robin at some point because it will divide Batman against robin but always make Robin seem more than capable he should even start up without the Bat's help
 
i dont think robin should be in this trilogy but it would be a nice way to end it if at the end of the third one bruce takes in dick grayson and then have robin set up for the 4th one, if it gets made of course:batty:
 
I see Robin as a distraction. TPTB needs to evolve the character so that might take away from Batman's thunder again.
Let him have his own franchise if some wants Robin so badly.
 

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