Batman: Year One

Like his performance or not, McKenzie definitely wasn't just reading lines. I've watched quite a bit of his other work and seen interviews with him, and I've never heard him sound like he does in this movie. It was a very deliberate performance.
 
You haven't refuted anything and choose to reiterate the same point over and over again. Ok.

You keep telling me it was deliberarte. Fine, he spoke like a robot on purpose -- it wasn't good. I see what he tried to do, but he didn't succeed in doing so.

You're the minority on this one, KRIM. Reviewers and fans alike has voiced their dislike to Ben's voice.
 
Please reread, and this time more carefully. I don't care whether you liked it or not. That was never my point. I was contending the suggestion that he phoned it in. His performance being so deliberately abnormal is clear evidence that there was thought put into it, rather than simply reading words on a page.
 
I think the movie itself is good, thats why the #'s dont mean much. I think the voice Acting from McKenzie was mediocre. I watched it again at my friends the other day, and he agreed with me. It has EPIC scenes, truly amazing, but what it did lack was the flare the graphic novel had. It didn't really set a good tone, and personally I felt it was McKenzies voice acting along with the color palette they chose that took me out of it.

You personally may have liked the voice acting, but to me it was the weakest part of the movie.

This is not to say it was a bad movie by any means, I personally loved it, but to say its the best DCAU movie would be blasphemy, it had its issues, but I think one of the main weaknesses the movie had (based on consistency in reviews is the voice acting.)
 
The Transformers films made a lot of money as well, yet no one praises the undoubtedly amazing acting.
 
To be truthfully, personally I liked McKenzie's acting. Yes, it was stilted and monotone...but I honestly think that's what both the dialogue and the atmosphere of YO called for.

And oddly enough, Ive asked 4 or 5 people in the real world what they thought of it, they all said they liked it. In fact, I seemed to be the biggest dissenter among them.
I think the movie itself is good, thats why the #'s dont mean much. I think the voice Acting from McKenzie was mediocre. I watched it again at my friends the other day, and he agreed with me. It has EPIC scenes, truly amazing, but what it did lack was the flare the graphic novel had. It didn't really set a good tone, and personally I felt it was McKenzies voice acting along with the color palette they chose that took me out of it.

You personally may have liked the voice acting, but to me it was the weakest part of the movie.

This is not to say it was a bad movie by any means, I personally loved it, but to say its the best DCAU movie would be blasphemy, it had its issues, but I think one of the main weaknesses the movie had (based on consistency in reviews is the voice acting.)
I'm sorry, but I have to disagree.

The color pallet was next to identical to the comics. Outside of the voice acting, I truly believe the big "flaw" that no one can quite put their finger on is the simple fact that Year One is better as a comic book than as a movie. They're two totally different mediums...that don't always carry over.
 
If you want proof, go read reviews from critics or fans. Sure, some people liked the voice, but some people also liked Batman & Robin.

So in otherwords you claim majority of the critics didn't like the voice, should be easy for you to provide proof then, no? Because i haven't seen these. Internet people are irrelevant what they say, considering they represent such a small fraction of the sales.
 
I truly believe the big "flaw" that no one can quite put their finger on is the simple fact that Year One is better as a comic book than as a movie. They're two totally different mediums...that don't always carry over.

I kind of agree with this, though not entirely. I think Year One's biggest flaw as a film wasn't so much the idea that it works better as a comic than it was the fact that the film seemed to fail in translating the sense of drama from the panels in the comic. Alot of it moved much too quickly when there should have been longer dramatic beats. This is especially evident in the scene between Gordon and Bruce under the bridge. It just moves too fast so that it doesn't have any real impact, whereas when you read the comic, there's a slow, unsure dramatic tension.

I mean, the film is 4 minutes over one hour. It's pretty short. They could have boosted the time by atleast another 5 minutes if they held onto some shots for a little longer before cutting, and by re-instating some of the scenes they cut.

Some moments worked really well. Others didn't. I'm still very satisfied with what I got, but I await the day they make it live-action.
 
Batman: Year One works just as well as a film as it does as a comic, for what it is, a crime drama. As Bruce Timm said, "It's really not a big spectacular action adventure thing with lots of special effects and explosions. It's a very intimate story. Put in more gadgets and the flasher cars, and then suddenly it's not Batman: Year One anymore."
http://www.mtv.com/videos/interview/670500/sdcc-2011-bruce-timm-on-batman-year-one.jhtml#id=1667825
I'm glad Bruce Timm was so faithful to Frank Miller's Batman: Year One comic and didn't make the film more like a standard "Bang! Zoom! Kapow!" action adventure superhero cartoon rather than a crime drama film noir. The film captured the sense of drama well, to me. The pacing wasn't too fast or too slow for me. These animated films have a 75 minute time limit. They didn't cut any scenes that they filmed, they actually added a scene when the film came under the time limit, the Harvey Dent scene with Gordon interrogating him, which made the film 64 minutes, still short for the time limit so they added the 15 minute Catwoman short film. Co-Director Sam Liu: "Even though, to me, it seems like a long story, but when we actually translated it, it actually came out to be 10 or 15 minutes short, so there's a couple of things that the writer (Tab Murphy) had taken out, but we ended up adding them, but we were still short. I think that gained us 4 or 5 minutes, it was the Harvey Dent scene, originally that wasn't in the movie but now it's in the movie because we were short. So I remember we had a meeting and we asked Bruce (Timm), should we just start padding it, are there other things that we should just stick in, and Bruce was very adamant about being absolutely faithful."
http://www.movieweb.com/comic-con/2011/news/sdcc-2011-exclusive-batman-year-one-interviews-with-katee-sackhoff-and-ben-mckenzie
 
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Well that was fantastic. Pretty much a panel for panel adaptation of the story. I honestly cannot complain. I loved every bit of it every bit as much as I love the book. Ben McKenzie gave a surprising performance as Batman that I've never seen animated before. Batman genuinely came off crazy and gave off a Norman Bates vibe. This is the first time that I've actually heard the obsession in Batman's voice and tone. Kevin Conroy, Bruce Greenwood, and even William Baldwin just played Batman either without tone or relatively normal. They just gave off the vibe of a very serious man by comparison. Devoted to his work? Yes. But never obsessed.

When McKenzie says "I know pain. Sometimes I like to share it with people like you." though, I genuinely believe it. It's not just some line to scare or intimidate a thug in an interrogation. This man sounds like he has genuinely been through the ringer. I absolutely loved the patrol through downtown Gotham and the scene with the Bat crashing through the window. McKenzie's performance only cemented for me that Batman's teetering on the edge of sanity in these scenes. An impression that I never got from Kevin Conroy, ever, and as a result (since I always imagine his voice when reading) never got from the book. Come to think of it Conroy has always been Bruce Wayne trying to scare people for me. I think this may just be the first time I've actually heard Batman on screen. It was his impression of playboy Bruce Wayne that had me laughing. Yes, very Norman Bates and even Patrick Bateman-esque. I hoped that was what Bale would bring to the role in the live-action movies but alas.

Bryan Cranston is just the man. Not enough can be said about this man's performance. The guy should be Gary Oldman's understudy if not his replacement in a future Batman series. When he was cast I kind of hit myself on the head and thought "Of course! Nobody thought to make the dad from Malcolm In The Middle audition!". Breaking Bad must've had a hell of an influence since then. This guy brought it and once again I was left cheering for Jim Gordon. In both this and The Dark Knight I've actually found myself liking Gordon even more than Batman and I get pretty excited for his scenes. Especially when he beats up Flass. My face hurt from grinning so hard.

"It's been a long time since I fought a Green Beret. Still, he deserves a handicap." More Gordon stories, please! I'm going to go out on a limb here an say I like the movie even more than the book. Before you start throwing tomatoes, hear me out. This movie made me appreciate scenes that I just read past in the book. The bat crashing through Bruce's window was so much more poignant in this film. Possibly because of the music and emphasis on it that you don't really see much in comic book panels. Gordon's scene at the end with Bruce made me realize for the first time "Holy ****! He's known Batman's identity since then!" I didn't notice in the book before that the "I'm practically blind without my glasses" line was just his way of saying "Your secret's safe with me. I can never repay you for this." I really thought that he was just blind without his glasses. I feel like an idiot now.

As a big fan of Year One and of Batman and Gordon as well, though I'm hesitant about this score, I literally cannot think of any issues that I had with the movie to lower it. 10/10 I'd have loved a longer movie but any longer and they would have had to make up scenes that didn't happen in the book. It takes me less than 60 minutes to read the book as is. I really can't complain.
 
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Reading some old posts, if I had to rank this it'd be

Under The Red Hood
Return Of The Joker
Year One
Mask of The Phantasm
Sub-Zero
Gotham Knights

Action is a big factor for me when it comes to replay value. I'll put on Red Hood while I'm doing something else and turn around just to watch an action sequence. Can't really enjoy that with Mask of The Phantasm, as much as I love that movie.
 
I have to say that I did enjoy this movie. I finally picked it up and I'm glad I did. It's a sound entry into DC's animated movie line and does a really good job respecting the comic. Yeah there are some issues with it and it's not like any Batman movie that's come before, but I think that works in it's favor. If they do more of Miller's Batman I'd like to see this guy voice Wayne/Batman again.
 
Indeed. Speaking of adaptions, I'd love to see Loeb's work done. The Long Halloween, Dark Victory, Haunted Knight, and Hush would all make for great movies.
 
Batman: Year One works just as well as a film as it does as a comic, for what it is, a crime drama. As Bruce Timm said, "It's really not a big spectacular action adventure thing with lots of special effects and explosions. It's a very intimate story. Put in more gadgets and the flasher cars, and then suddenly it's not Batman: Year One anymore."
http://www.mtv.com/videos/interview/670500/sdcc-2011-bruce-timm-on-batman-year-one.jhtml#id=1667825
I'm glad Bruce Timm was so faithful to Frank Miller's Batman: Year One comic and didn't make the film more like a standard "Bang! Zoom! Kapow!" action adventure superhero cartoon rather than a crime drama film noir. -exclusive-batman-year-one-interviews-with-katee-sackhoff-and-ben-mckenzie

Miller’s Year One features this sort of incongruity. Catwoman as a prostitute, but the hero manages to save himself at one point by pressing a button to summon bats!. That amounts to as much of a hat pull as when Adam West would pull something he “conveniently” had in his utility belt. Did Joe Friday, even in the silly 1987 Dragnet film, ever do something such as that?
 
Warner Brothers and McDonald's and the toy companies just wanted kid-friendly/family-friendly live-action Batman films with Robin, and to have two villains, and costumes, Bat-vehicles and gadgets that they can make toys out of, without all the killing, grotesque blood, gore and sexual elements and naughty words of Tim Burton's Batman Returns. A director could have just made the live-action films closer to Bruce Timm's Batman: The Animated Series. Pulling back on the graphic brutality of the violence and sexual elements and naughty words, so there wouldn't have been anything that would have been really upsetting to children and offensive to their parents, while retaining a serious tone, adult themes and noirish atmosphere. It was Joel Schumacher's idea to add the campy comedy, the nipples and over-sized codpieces on Batman and Robin's crotches, the gratuitous butt closeups, and exaggerated beef-cake muscles on the costumes, Robin being a 25 year old adult wearing an earring and a buzz-cut, the neon Gotham with glow in the dark Batmobiles, glow in the dark gangs, flamboyantly pink haired Riddler with a glow in the dark suit, pink painted faced Two-Face wearing a half pink suit with black zebra stripes and giggling like a clown, all the casting and directing, etc., these were all Joel Schumacher's ideas.

The tacky original Robin costume with shaved legs and pixie shoes lasted for decades prior to Schumacher.
 
Y'know what's funny?

Anytime I see Bryan Cranston now I think "Hey, it's Jim Gordon."

If that's not a compliment to his performance considering you don't even see his face in YO, I don't know what is.
 
You know as good as "Batman: Year One" is I don't feel compelled to watch it again. Maybe it's the overexposure of Batman, I don't know. Anyone else feel that way?
 
Personally, I find YO to be very rewatchable. Even moreso than some Batman movies I like more than it.
 

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