Ben Kingsley's return

[chaseter]

Killian was defeated by Pepper Potts...chew on that for a minute everyone.

 

[T"Challa]

Killian was defeated by Pepper Potts...chew on that for a minute everyone.

I liked it. A lot. I was mad earlier in the movie cuz i thought they just turned the best female Marvel character into just another damsel in distress but Black turned that trope on its head in the end and that pleased me to no end. Tony Stark has saved the world multiple times already and will probably do the same in upcoming movies. I'm not mad that Pepper got some limelight.

 

[StarLord]

I think this is hilarious that all these ''respect the material'' and people come out and complain about The Mandarin and yet have nothing to say about Eric Savin.

Compared to the comics, he looked NOTHING like Coldblood and had none of the visible abilities and looks that the character had in the comics.

Not a peep from anyone. I guess it only applies to the important characters, right?

 

[MrMaooz]

Killian was defeated by Pepper Potts...chew on that for a minute everyone.

That was awesome!

 

[InternetPeople]

Did you know I'm a genius? Yep, look at my big brain. I'm soooo smrt. I just gave my prisoner super powers which makes no logical sense and yeah, she may be my only leverage to make Tony do what I want and if she dies I don't have that any more but **** it, I'm sooo smrt. Did you see my big brain?

Black may have turned the damsel in distress trope on it's head but he also threw logic in the trash.

On topic: If Kingsley is anything but Slattery, Killian is a complete waste of time and the actual good logic that was used in making Slattery a front, would also be thrown in the trash.

 

[OcStat]

Killian was defeated by Pepper Potts...chew on that for a minute everyone.

And Bane was blown away by Catwoman.

Doesn't make any of the villain's earlier scenes less menacing.

I think this is hilarious that all these ''respect the material'' and people come out and complain about The Mandarin and yet have nothing to say about Eric Savin.

Compared to the comics, he looked NOTHING like Coldblood and had none of the visible abilities and looks that the character had in the comics.

Not a peep from anyone. I guess it only applies to the important characters, right?

And all they could say about Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo being combined into one villain was "...who?"


Honestly I'm more disappointed in the fan base, being so divided over the little things, not able to see the forest for the trees and missing out on one of Marvel's best movies.

 

[Quasimod0]

Just watched IM3 again last night. Trevor is hilarious. Cracks me up every time. I'd love to see more of him.

Killian was defeated by Pepper Potts...chew on that for a minute everyone.

Great moment for Pepper.

 

[Human Torch]

The twist was great and so was the movie.

Oh and Killian was the Mandarin.

Killian was a bad re imagining of the Mandarin.There's a difference.

 

[Human Torch]

I'm sure Marvel doesn't *care* that the fan community split, when the movie was otherwise an enormous success. Repeat after me: "Comic fans don't matter, there are too few to effect success or failure."

I feel real bad for people who actually believe this.I mean,yeah,money is the bottom line.But don't kid yourselves into thinking the studio doesn't take backlash from the fan community seriously.That's the backbone of their entire operation.

 

[Matt]

I'm starting to suspect that Phase 2 is going to involve a H.A.M.M.E.R. type of storyline and that is Robert Redford's role in Cap 2. In that sense, I can see the door being wide open for Kingsley's return. Rather than the Mandarin being the puppet of Aldrich Killian, he could be the puppet of H.A.M.M.E.R.. Basically their go-to super villain, used to keep the masses afraid and dependent.

 

[CyclopsWasRight]

I liked it. A lot. I was mad earlier in the movie cuz i thought they just turned the best female Marvel character into just another damsel in distress but Black turned that trope on its head in the end and that pleased me to no end. Tony Stark has saved the world multiple times already and will probably do the same in upcoming movies. I'm not mad that Pepper got some limelight.

Then when Pepper became interesting and the first human superheroine in the MCU, they took away her powers minutes later

I think this is hilarious that all these ''respect the material'' and people come out and complain about The Mandarin and yet have nothing to say about Eric Savin.

Compared to the comics, he looked NOTHING like Coldblood and had none of the visible abilities and looks that the character had in the comics.

Not a peep from anyone. I guess it only applies to the important characters, right?

Same for race updating

I'm starting to suspect that Phase 2 is going to involve a H.A.M.M.E.R. type of storyline and that is Robert Redford's role in Cap 2. In that sense, I can see the door being wide open for Kingsley's return. Rather than the Mandarin being the puppet of Aldrich Killian, he could be the puppet of H.A.M.M.E.R.. Basically their go-to super villain, used to keep the masses afraid and dependent.

But the govenrment and public know he's Trevor an "actor" he can't pretend to be a super-villain again since people know his real identity.

 

[Matt]

Then when Pepper became interesting and the first human superheroine in the MCU, they took away her powers minutes later



Same for race updating



But the govenrment and public know he's Trevor an "actor" he can't pretend to be a super-villain again since people know his real identity.

Stark and SHIELD know, but does the public? I don't recall him being exposed to the public. Yes, there photographers around as he was hauled away by the federal agents, but the only thing that he says is, "hello," before he is dragged off. That could easily be played by HAMMER as the Mandarin being arrested. "Break him out," and you have a supervillain on demand.

 

[A Necessary Evil]

Killian was defeated by Pepper Potts...chew on that for a minute everyone.

Bane was killed by catwoman
Eddie Brock committed suicide
Two-Face jumped for his own coin, and killed himself (Batman Forever)
Whiplash just sat there and decided "hey these two men in really advanced tech suits are up to something, let me just stand here with a grin on my face cause nothing can go wrong lol"


I can think of much worse than Killian's death.

If someone needs support from others to believe in their opinion then they do not have much faith in their opinion to start with.

Yep.

 

[InternetPeople]

Stark and SHIELD know, but does the public? I don't recall him being exposed to the public. Yes, there photographers around as he was hauled away by the federal agents, but the only thing that he says is, "hello," before he is dragged off. That could easily be played by HAMMER as the Mandarin being arrested. "Break him out," and you have a supervillain on demand.

Have you heard of this thing called the media? This would be the trial of the century because it involved the President being kidnapped and the VP committing treason. Trevor is done being the boogeyman.

 

[chaseter]

Bane was killed by catwoman
Eddie Brock committed suicide
Two-Face jumped for his own coin, and killed himself (Batman Forever)
Whiplash just sat there and decided "hey these two men in really advanced tech suits are up to something, let me just stand here with a grin on my face cause nothing can go wrong lol"

I really wouldn't use any of those villains as a reasonable excuse as to why it was done that way....because they weren't that memorable.

 

[chaseter]

Trevor ****ing shot a guy in the head on broadcast television. He ain't coming back unless he's an actual villain. He will rot in prison.

While we are on that subject...what turd writer thought of that? Like Trevor actually thought that was all props and fake? The henchmen drag that guy's dead body away when he doesn't get up after that 'take'. Come on. Then Trevor is like, "Good work mate, see you lata for drinks." He pats him on the head while blood squirts out.

 

[Human Torch]

I want to see the Wonder Woman movie,where in the end,after she's done battling Ares in a no holds barred dual to the death,Steve Trevor shows up and dispatches the villain with a one-liner.

"I was never compatible with an Ares."

End of movie.

Because...ya know....anything less would make him a damsal in distress.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Chase, that scene can be viewed 2 ways. First, we never see any blood so we don't know that it WASN'T make up and such. It can be done with a lot of timing and practice and timing (at least, to make it look cinematic/theatrical enough). The other way, if you assume he killed him, is Trevor is a smooth talker and would say anything to not get in any actual trouble.

 

[chaseter]

Great moment for Pepper.

That is in fact 2 out of 3 villains in the Iron Man universe that Pepper has killed. She brought down Justin with cops so Pepper has defeated 3 out of 4 villains in the Iron Man movies.

The problem I had was you had two opportunities happen during the climax that failed because the writing was mediocre. The big issue I have is that Pepper is given the extremis serum and falls to her supposed death. No one believes Pepper died. It was an awful, fake moment. We all knew Pepper would live. There was no danger from the audience's perspective that she was about to die because she was given freaking super human serum. That was my main problem. It all felt forced. She was given the serum so that she could have a fake out death that no one believed and have something to do at the end with her fists.

So, how do you remedy that? Well there are dozens of Iron Man suits flying around that Pepper could have been saved with and fought with like she did in the mansion attack. It could have been Tony, Pepper, and Rhodey all fighting together to defeat the enemy alongside all these other suits. That would have been awesome. Instead, Rhodey flies off to not return (another suit could have taken the President to safety) and Pepper hangs there for half the battle and then I guess lies in a fire for the other half until she walks out. Opportunity lost.

The second opportunity they had was to defeat the villain in a poignant and smart way. Tony calling Mark 42 onto Aldrich to detonate over him was so awesome and I thought was brilliant. It tied everything in together. Then, a few seconds later when TOMG Pepper is still alive what the what...here comes Aldrich again blah blah blah. Such a terrible moment. In contradicted just about everything they had setup so that Pepper could do a kick and a punch. That was the second big opportunity lost in the climax. Tony finding a cure for Extremis to cure Pepper was such a writers hack job. He should have been doing that in the middle of the film so he could shoot a dart at someone and defeat them with a cure.

The movie was so hoaky...a guy ****ing breathed fire. They even made fun of it in the movie. It could have been nanotech like in the actual comics and not some hoaky pokey fire juice that makes people turn into lava men.

 

[chaseter]

Chase, that scene can be viewed 2 ways. First, we never see any blood so we don't know that it WASN'T make up and such. It can be done with a lot of timing and practice and timing (at least, to make it look cinematic/theatrical enough). The other way, if you assume he killed him, is Trevor is a smooth talker and would say anything to not get in any actual trouble.

At the end of takes, actors get up. I guess they could have done a Weekend at Bernie's thing where two henchmen put sunglasses on the dead guy and walk him around. I guess I can forgive that part as far as I can stretch my brain. Trevor was probably drunk and whatever.

BUT, who would seriously think it was all fake after finding out that everything you did was actually real? He could get away with all this other BS about hollow threats but he put a bullet into a guy's head. He would at least at some point say..."****, I shot a guy." Who would then keep doing that facade for another group of bad guys? He isn't an evil guy, just a drunk actor who will sober up in jail.

If Kingsley comes back, it's either a short with him in jail or doing something hoaky as Trevor. If he is coming back for future movies, then he will be the real Mandarin. If I had to guess, I would guess it's the former as Marvel isn't going to contradict their movieverse. I hope for the latter but I doubt it happens. The Mandarin was such a wasted opportunity. It's like making the Joker a washed up clown that was getting paid to mess with Batman but didn't think he was actually doing any harm to anybody. It's like making Green Goblin a nobody in a mask pretending to be a billionaire and getting paid to fly around NYC taunting Spider-Man. As someone mentioned, everyone was excited with the trailers as Kinglsey portrayed a ruthless terrorist. Who would have honestly thought he would be making poop jokes when the movie came out?

 

[Spider-Fan]

At the end of takes, actors get up. I guess they could have done a Weekend at Bernie's thing where two henchmen put sunglasses on the dead guy and walk him around. I guess I can forgive that part as far as I can stretch my brain. Trevor was probably drunk and whatever.

BUT, who would seriously think it was all fake after finding out that everything you did was actually real? He could get away with all this other BS about hollow threats but he put a bullet into a guy's head. He would at least at some point say..."****, I shot a guy." Who would then keep doing that facade for another group of bad guys? He isn't an evil guy, just a drunk actor who will sober up in jail.

If Kingsley comes back, it's either a short with him in jail or doing something hoaky as Trevor. If he is coming back for future movies, then he will be the real Mandarin. If I had to guess, I would guess it's the former as Marvel isn't going to contradict their movieverse. I hope for the latter but I doubt it happens. The Mandarin was such a wasted opportunity. It's like making the Joker a washed up clown that was getting paid to mess with Batman but didn't think he was actually doing any harm to anybody. It's like making Green Goblin a nobody in a mask pretending to be a billionaire and getting paid to fly around NYC taunting Spider-Man. As someone mentioned, everyone was excited with the trailers as Kinglsey portrayed a ruthless terrorist. Who would have honestly thought he would be making poop jokes when the movie came out?

I thought the twist in the movie overall worked (it was better handled than say Talia being the true villain and Bane being tossed aside like water in TDKR). That said, I can definitely feel people's pain because Mandarin IS Iron Man's archenemy, and you would never see that done to GG, Joker, Red Skull, etc (like you said). I totally understand people's anger.

That said, I don't think Killian was the movie's problem. I liked the movie overall, but my main issues lied with a few things at the end. I felt the heart surgery needed a lot more development. The way it was handled in IM3, it makes Stark look stupid for not doing it YEARS ago. Also, I think Stark fixed the Extremis thing too easily on Pepper, like you said. I like it overall, but the ending is sloppy.

I think the One Shot will be something goofy with Trevor, as well. The One Shots tend to just be fun little things to watch. They DID retcon TIH's credit scene with The Consultant, but I don't see them doing it with IM3 and Killian/Mandarin. While I know many are disappointed with the Mandarin's portrayal, I think Marvel should just own it and move on. Even putting Trevor as Mandarin in a short one-shot won't fix the issue everyone had with IM3. It's over and done with by this point. It's probably going to be Trevor's trial/confession or something.

 

[Loki882]

Obadiah Stane was an older guy who worked with Tony instead of being a rival businessman.
Whiplash is a combo of Whiplash and Crimson Dynamo.
Justin Hammer was a young guy and an idiot rather than an old guy and a menacing genius.
Coldblood is nothing like the comics except for the name, the same is true with Firepower.
It's not like the Mandarin is the first time that the films have deviated from the comics.

 

[Loki882]

I feel real bad for people who actually believe this.I mean,yeah,money is the bottom line.But don't kid yourselves into thinking the studio doesn't take backlash from the fan community seriously.That's the backbone of their entire operation.

No, the GENERAL AUDIENCE is the backbone of their operation. It was the GENERAL AUDIENCE who helped IM 3 make well over a billion dollars. It was the GENERAL AUDIENCE that did the same for the Avengers. The comic fans are a TINY fraction of that. If you make a movie that fans love, but the GA hates, then the movie will fail, period. If you make a movie that the GA loves, but is controversial among fans, it makes over a BILLION dollars, success.

 

[chaseter]

I think Marvel cares about the universe as much as they do the dollars. It's why they are letting Joss be the boss going forward. They care about the source material. If only Joss had been the boss before Iron Man 3 was being written. Shane wrote the screenplay and that's part of the issue.

 

[Spider-Fan]

I think Marvel cares about the universe as much as they do the dollars. It's why they are letting Joss be the boss going forward. They care about the source material. If only Joss had been the boss before Iron Man 3 was being written.

I think Marvel cares about the universe and the fans (at least to a degree) as well. I know Joss cares about these things. But, Joss is also on record saying he loved Iron Man 3. Despite the fact it was written and started filming right before he got the boss title (I know he is the boss and kind of has to say that, but I don't think he would have phrased it the way he did if he didn't like it).

That said, it will be interesting to see Joss's influence on the remaining solo films.