: BEST MOVIE OF THE 21st CENTURY: DECADE ONE/YEAR TWO - 2001

[Symbiote666]

Fellowship takes it for me. As will TTT and ROTK in future polls.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Fellowship is for squares. Mulholland Drive is where it's at!

Word!

 

[AVEITWITHJAMON]

LOTR was the best, but Minority Report was amazing as well and isnt even on the poll.

 

[JRPJCDJC]

...or 3000 Miles to Graceland, Jurassic Park III or Serendipity. Seriously, why not kick off one of those and let voters actually decide whether Monsters Inc. was the best animated film or not.

Ugh. This whole series of threads is a new Hype low for film polls.

Once again, that's why we have the OTHER option.

I view an outstanding film as one that stands out. Everyone knows Joe Dirt - it stands out. Every one knows Crocodile Dundee - it stands out. Not everyone knows Ghost World - it DOES NOT STAND OUT, it's not outstanding.

LOTR was the best, but Minority Report was amazing as well and isnt even on the poll.

Minority Report is 2002 and it will be in that poll.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Once again, that's why we have the OTHER option.

I view an outstanding film as one that stands out. Everyone knows Joe Dirt - it stands out. Every one knows Crocodile Dundee - it stands out. Not everyone knows Ghost World - it DOES NOT STAND OUT, it's not outstanding.


Minority Report is 2002 and it will be in that poll.

More people remember Ghost World than Crocodile ****ing Dundee and Joe Dirt. So I agree with Episode29: your polls are ********.

Besides, "outstanding" refers to a film being especially good. Ghost World was. Crocodile Dundee and Joe Dirt? If you think those movies are "outstanding" perhaps other people should be making these polls.

 

[JRPJCDJC]

More people remember Ghost World than Crocodile ****ing Dundee and Joe Dirt. So I agree with Episode29: your polls are ********.

You sure about that? Come out of your pigeon hole and take a look around, EVERYONE knows who Crocodile Dundee is! Thus, it stands out more and is more outstanding.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

You sure about that? Come out of your pigeon hole and take a look around, EVERYONE knows who Crocodile Dundee is! Thus, it stands out more and is more outstanding.

Everyone knows the character, but I can guaran-damn-tee that no one remembers they made a recent sequel, or even what year it's from.

And like I said, that's NOT what outstanding means. It refers to a film that's particularly good.

Crocodile Dundee, Serendipity, 3000 Miles to Graceland, Joe Dirt, etc. should not be anywhere near a "best movies" poll.

So make up your mind, is your poll for "best movies" or "random flicks that a bunch of people may or may not remember with a few great movies thrown in"?

 

[JRPJCDJC]

More people remember Ghost World than Crocodile ****ing Dundee and Joe Dirt. So I agree with Episode29: your polls are ********.

You sure about that? Come out of your pigeon hole and take a look around, EVERYONE knows who Crocodile Dundee is! Thus, it stands out more and is more outstanding.

I've never seen Ghost World or Crocodile Dundee in Los Angeles. Crocodile Dundee is the Alpha in this debate because, pfft - it's already made us know who it is and the Alpha wants EVERYONE to know who it is. I really shouldn't have to explain this.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

You sure about that? Come out of your pigeon hole and take a look around, EVERYONE knows who Crocodile Dundee is! Thus, it stands out more and is more outstanding.

I've never seen Ghost World or Crocodile Dundee in Los Angeles. Crocodile Dundee is the Alpha in this debate because, pfft - it's already made us know who it is and the Alpha wants EVERYONE to know who it is. I really shouldn't have to explain this.

This part has got to be some sort of joke.

 

[JRPJCDJC]

This part has got to be some sort of joke.

The truth is no joke friend.

It's like WWE wrestling. You can say what you want about it being fake or scripted but the truth is, those guys are the best wrestlers on the planet because their names are shining the brightest amongst all others in that profession. Same with movies. A movie may stink at the box office and get horrible critics reviews but - everyone knows the name Waterworld.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

The truth is no joke friend.

It's like WWE wrestling. You can say what you want about it being fake or scripted but the truth is, those guys are the best wrestlers on the planet because their names are shining the brightest amongst all others in that profession. Same with movies. A movie may stink at the box office and get horrible critics reviews but - everyone knows the name Waterworld.

That's so not how a "best movies" poll works.

Waterworld doesn't shine brightly, it's known for all the wrong reasons. Movies that are known for being terrible have no business being on a best movies poll. It's really not that hard to understand.

Especially the forgettable bad ones like Serendipity, Crocodile Dundee 2, Jurassic Park 3, etc. Seriously dude. Your poll says "best movies" and you include so many bad ones that it becomes laughable.

 

[JRPJCDJC]

That's so not how a "best movies" poll works.

Pfft, says you.

Waterworld doesn't shine brightly, it's known for all the wrong reasons. Movies that are known for being terrible have no business being on a best movies poll. It's really not that hard to understand.

Sure they do. Someone somewhere thinks some of those movies are great. Even more, bad movies shine just as brightly as some villains shine in great movies. To say they are shining for the wrong reasons, that's just splittin' hairs.

Especially the forgettable bad ones like Serendipity, Crocodile Dundee 2, Jurassic Park 3, etc. Seriously dude. Your poll says "best movies" and you include so many bad ones that it becomes laughable.

The problem with alot of the so called 'good movies' is that they are too slow for most people or not shocking enough. How can a movie be considered 'good' if it didn't win anything and didn't make any money? A Razzie may not be much but it's more than some of the so called 'good movies' got.

Even more, the movies that are quicker on the tips of the tongues of the masses are the ones that are BIGGER, BRIGHTER, and BETTER.

This poll really is not about what the critics think, it's not about what the box office says, it's not about what the filmmmakers think, it's not even about what the fans think. It's about what the planet thinks and the bottomline is - whatever shines brighest is the BIGGEST, BRIGHEST, and BEST.

It's that simple, end of discussion.

 

[Evil Twin]

As was said last time, there's plenty of knowledgable film fans around that will help put together a list so that movies that appeared on many Top 10 lists don't get ignored in favor of the Joe Dirt's of the world. Heck, Ghost World isn't that obscure. It has 38,153 votes on IMDB, which puts it ahead in total votes of Monster's Ball, Gosford Park, The Mexican, Shallow Hal, Ali, The Majestic, 3,000 Miles to Graceland, No Man's Land, Saving Silverman, Ghosts of Mars, and, yes, Joe Dirt. And Crocodile Dundee which didn't even make IMDB's top 100 vote getters list.

http://www.imdb.com/List?year=2001&...ing=7;Most popular titles;2001 by total votes

Oh, and you might not realize it, but Ghost World is a comic book movie. Which might be of interest to more than a few on this board.

I think we all realize that you're not going to get every deserving movie on the poll. But, again, there's pure junk on the poll while deserving and widely recognized movies are missing. And there seems to be no inclination to fix the problem.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Pfft, says you.



Sure they do. Someone somewhere thinks some of those movies are great. Even more, bad movies shine just as brightly as some villains shine in great movies. To say they are shining for the wrong reasons, that's just splittin' hairs.


The problem with alot of the so called 'good movies' is that they are too slow for most people or not shocking enough. How can a movie be considered 'good' if it didn't win anything and didn't make any movie?

Even more, the movies that are quicker on the tips of the tongues of the masses are the ones that are BIGGER, BRIGHTER, and BETTER.

Popular consesus, name recognition, box office have NOTHING to do with the quality of the movie. At all.

How can a movie be considered good if it didn't win anything? Are you ****ing serious? There are plenty of excellent, amazing films that were never even nominated for anything, let alone won anything.

Bad things DON'T shine brightly. They're known for their atrociousness. And it's not just me who thinks that you shouldn't put bad movies on a best movies poll. That's logic for first graders. Why put bad things on a poll that's supposed to contain the best things? It's idiotic.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

As was said last time, there's plenty of knowledgable film fans around that will help put together a list so that movies that appeared on many Top 10 lists don't get ignored in favor of the Joe Dirt's of the world. Heck, Ghost World isn't that obscure. It has 38,153 votes on IMDB, which puts it ahead in total votes of Monster's Ball, Gosford Park, The Mexican, Shallow Hal, Ali, The Majestic, 3,000 Miles to Graceland, No Man's Land, Saving Silverman, Ghosts of Mars, and, yes, Joe Dirt. And Crocodile Dundee which didn't even make IMDB's top 100 vote getters list.

http://www.imdb.com/List?year=2001&...ing=7;Most popular titles;2001 by total votes

Oh, and you might not realize it, but Ghost World is a comic book movie. Which might be of interest to more than a few on this board.

I think we all realize that you're not going to get every deserving movie on the poll. But, again, there's pure junk on the poll while deserving and widely recognized movies are missing. And there seems to be no inclination to fix the problem.

But don't you see? People know the names of those terrible movies! They shine BRIGHTER than the truly excellent wons that were left off! After all, how can a movie be considered good if a random person on the street has never heard of it?

 

[kedrell]

Fellowship is for squares. Mulholland Drive is where it's at!

MD is for artsy-fartsy types. Most prefer movies that, you know, actually make sense.

 

[Evil Twin]

MD is for artsy-fartsy types. Most prefer movies that, you know, actually make sense.

Mullholland Drive makes sense.

Besides, hot lesbian sex scene >>> hobbits. Fact.

 

[kedrell]

I prefer straight/hetero sex scenes, myself.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Pfft, says you.



Sure they do. Someone somewhere thinks some of those movies are great. Even more, bad movies shine just as brightly as some villains shine in great movies. To say they are shining for the wrong reasons, that's just splittin' hairs.


The problem with alot of the so called 'good movies' is that they are too slow for most people or not shocking enough. How can a movie be considered 'good' if it didn't win anything and didn't make any money? A Razzie may not be much but it's more than some of the so called 'good movies' got.

Even more, the movies that are quicker on the tips of the tongues of the masses are the ones that are BIGGER, BRIGHTER, and BETTER.

This poll really is not about what the critics think, it's not about what the box office says, it's not about what the filmmmakers think, it's not even about what the fans think. It's about what the planet thinks and the bottomline is - whatever shines brighest is the BIGGEST, BRIGHEST, and BEST.

It's that simple, end of discussion.

What? So people, critics, etc. aren't a part of the planet? I can guarantee that most people don't know or haven't seen Joe Dirt. It's not a particularly remarkable movie. So how does it shine BRIGHTER and BETTER than a movie like Monsters Inc. which more people have seen, can name, and more people like? If that's your logic or criteria then don't call it a "best movies" poll call it "JRPJCDJC's poll of movies that I somehow consider movies of epic, planetary significance".

Even then the poll would be stupid since your internal logic is, well, illogical!

 

[Sarge 2.0]

MD is for artsy-fartsy types. Most prefer movies that, you know, actually make sense.

I know plenty of non-"artsy fartsy" people who love Mulholland Dr.

Also, the movie makes perfect sense.

Also, it seems like the term "artsy fartsy" is almost always used to describe people with good taste.

 

[Evil Twin]

But don't you see? People know the names of those terrible movies! They shine BRIGHTER than the truly excellent wons that were left off! After all, how can a movie be considered good if a random person on the street has never heard of it?

I've said this elsewhere, but "I've never heard of it" can speak as much to lack of knowledge or, even, egotism as it does to actuality. I don't think anyone doubts for a moment that Fellowship of the Ring was going to win the poll, but the unwillingness to take feedback and learn from the criticisms of the first poll doesn't speak well for the poll maker.

I don't think even regular people confuse popularity with quality. Yes, they align sometimes, but people know that McDonald's isn't a five star restaurant.

 

[Sarge 2.0]

I've said this elsewhere, but "I've never heard of it" can speak as much to lack of knowledge or, even, egotism as it does to actuality. I don't think anyone doubts for a moment that Fellowship of the Ring was going to win the poll, but the unwillingness to take feedback and learn from the criticisms of the first poll doesn't speak well for the poll maker.

I don't think even regular people confuse popularity with quality. Yes, they align sometimes, but people know that McDonald's isn't a five star restaurant.

Yeah, I was being sarcastic.

 

[JRPJCDJC]

Popular consesus, name recognition, box office have NOTHING to do with the quality of the movie. At all.

Whatever hits the most people is more of a beast of a movie and the Beast is a champ. Joe Dirt has hit more people than Ghost World, Joe Dirt is a Beast of a movie, Joe Dirt is a Champ.

How can a movie be considered good if it didn't win anything? Are you ****ing serious? There are plenty of excellent, amazing films that were never even nominated for anything, let alone won anything.

Half-serious.

If it didn't win anything, or have a good box office, and isn't on the mind of 7 of 10 people(not just movie buffs!) then it's probably not as good as a movie expert thinks.

Bad things DON'T shine brightly. They're known for their atrociousness. And it's not just me who thinks that you shouldn't put bad movies on a best movies poll. That's logic for first graders. Why put bad things on a poll that's supposed to contain the best things? It's idiotic.

What about blackholes? Blackholes shine pretty brightly(not literally) and they're pretty bad. What about the holocaust? It was a bad thing but it shines pretty brightly in terms of history. I'm not saying it's the best thing ever in history but it would definitely be on a list of most outstanding events in history.

Your problem isn't with my poll as much as the title. If I had called it MOST OUTSTANDING MOVIE OF THE 21st CENTURY would that make it better?

And saying my logic is for first graders is assinine for I am including things I've learned recently in my logic.

 

[kedrell]

I know plenty of non-"artsy fartsy" people who love Mulholland Dr.

Also, the movie makes perfect sense.

Also, it seems like the term "artsy fartsy" is almost always used to describe people with good taste.

No, just people with eclectic/esoteric/niche' tastes. Hey some stuff like that appeals to me from time-to-time, but you'll never see me saying in the 2002 poll that Punch Drunk Love is better than TTT, since it wasn't(even though I adore PDL).

 

[Sarge 2.0]

Whatever hits the most people is more of a beast of a movie and the Beast is a champ. Joe Dirt has hit more people than Ghost World, Joe Dirt is a Beast of a movie, Joe Dirt is a Champ.

Film quality is not a boxing match.

Half-serious.

If it didn't win anything, or have a good box office, and isn't on the mind of 7 of 10 people(not just movie buffs!) then it's probably not as good as a movie expert thinks.

x1000000000000

That's not. how. quality. works. I could almost guarantee that 10 out of 10 totally random people on the street have never heard of "Aguirre, the Wrath of God". It's still one of the greatest movies ever made.

What about blackholes? Blackholes shine pretty(not literally) and they're pretty bad. What about the holocaust? It was a bad thing but it shines pretty brightly in terms of history. I'm not saying it's the best thing ever in history but it would definitely be on a list of most outstanding events in history.

Your problem isn't with my poll as much as the title. If I had called it MOST OUTSTANDING MOVIE OF THE 21st CENTURY would that make it better?

And saying my logic is for first graders is assinine for I am including things I've learned recently in my logic.

The holocaust doesn't shine brightly. It's a black spot on the history of humanity. The fact that people are widely aware of something does NOT mean it "shines brightly".

How old are you?