Best of Each Bond?

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Probably a tad off-topic but how popular or well-received is Bond in the UK? I've only a few British pals, but like JB is a non-issue for them. It always seemed to me that more attention for Bond is in the US or Asia or Latin America than in the UK itself.

If you're talking box office than Bond is much bigger in UK than US. Skyfall and Spectre are the second and third biggest movies of all time (not adjusted for inflation) in UK. Only The Force Awakens have made more money than those

 

[B]

Two that always stick out in my mind are

One of the absolute best cheesy moments of the series



And one of the smoothest moves I have ever seen lol

Some of the stuff Bond did in the older movies with Connery & Moore, particularly in regards to interaction & comments with women, he wouldn't be able to get away with in 2018's very PC culture without pitch forks coming out.

 

[Schlosser85]

Well in fairness Connery's Bond did basically force himself on a couple of women.

 

[jolldan]

Some of the stuff Bond did in the older movies with Connery & Moore, particularly in regards to interaction & comments with women, he wouldn't be able to get away with in 2018's very PC culture without pitch forks coming out.

Yeah if Connery's Bond came out today to say I think it would take some heat is a understatement lol




Even Indiana Jones wasn't immune to getting a slap from Sean haha.

 

[Schlosser85]

Well Connery wasn't shy about thinking it's fine to hit women in real life either.

 

[Aximili86]

Yeeep. Connery = not a nice human being.

Speaking of the Bond-forcing-himself-on-women stuff, that Bellucci scene in Spectre really bugs the hell out of me, it's so uncomfortable.

 

[Schlosser85]

It's telling that Moore's Bond apparently was a little toned down because the excessive chauvinism made Moore uncomfortable. His Bond is still bad enough, so one wonders what was taken out.

 

[Kahran Ramsus]

It's telling that Moore's Bond apparently was a little toned down because the excessive chauvinism made Moore uncomfortable. His Bond is still bad enough, so one wonders what was taken out.

To be fair to Moore, he wasn't happy with some of the stuff they made him do. Slapping around Maud Adams in TMWTGG for one thing.

 

[Mandon Knight]

How long would a complete Bond marathon take these days?

From longest to shortest.....

1st - Spectre - 148 Minutes
2nd - Casino Royale - 144 minutes
3rd - Skyfall - 143 Minutes
4th - On Her Majesty's Secret Service - 142 minutes
5th (Joint) - Licence to Kill - 133 minutes
5th (Joint) - Die Another Day - 133 minutes
7th (Joint) - Octopussy - 131 minutes
7th (Joint) - A View to a Kill - 131 minutes
9th (Joint) - Thunderball - 130 minutes
9th (Joint) - The Living Daylights - 130 minutes
9th (Joint) - GoldenEye - 130 minutes
12th - The World is Not Enough - 128 minutes
13th - For Your Eyes Only - 127 minutes
14th - Moonraker - 126 minutes
15th (Joint) - The Man with the Golden Gun - 125 minutes
15th (Joint) - The Spy Who Loved Me - 125 minutes
17th - Live and Let Die - 121 minutes
18th - Diamonds Are Forever - 120 minutes
19th - Tomorrow Never Dies - 119 minutes
20th - You Only Live Twice - 117 minutes
21st - From Russia With Love - 115 minutes
22nd (Joint) - Dr. No - 110 minutes
22nd (Joint) - Goldfinger - 110 minutes
24th - Quantum of Solace - 107 minutes

 

[Iceman]

Thanks for that. Weird that Craig has the 3 longest films but also the shortest.

 

[Mandon Knight]

Thanks for that. Weird that Craig has the 3 longest films but also the shortest.

QoS had a specific job to do, it was made with the full intention of being a 'stop-gap' narrative between CR & the next film, but when the writing strike and the financial problems the studio had came apparent and a longer gap was evident, they had to 'box' the story in and make it a 'elaster-plast' narrative, Craig has gone on record, saying basically he and the director wrote the end of the film on set, that's partly why, after such a hardcore pace for most of the film, the ending is so abrupt. They wanted it as a brutal revenge film, nothing more, no 'espionage', or Bondian themes of the past, get in, action, get out. Let the next film pick up the trace of the over-arching story, and that point, they didn't know the gap would be 4 years till Skyfall. Hence the 107 minute running time.

 

[Aximili86]

I don't know that'd be the case overall. Problems as Quantum may have, clearly they were setting up more than just a direct revenge plot there. It does feel like the first part in a bigger SPECTRE type organization story that they pivoted on afterward and never saw through (at least not in the same way, obviously the eventual Spectre movie did some linking). Greene was clearly part of a bigger narrative we weren't clued in on just yet.

Not surprised that final scene was written on-set though, that makes sense. Always liked that scene though, it's pretty good.

 

[Mandon Knight]

I don't know that'd be the case overall. Problems as Quantum may have, clearly they were setting up more than just a direct revenge plot there. It does feel like the first part in a bigger SPECTRE type organization story that they pivoted on afterward and never saw through (at least not in the same way, obviously the eventual Spectre movie did some linking). Greene was clearly part of a bigger narrative we weren't clued in on just yet.

Not surprised that final scene was written on-set though, that makes sense. Always liked that scene though, it's pretty good.

Sorry, what I'm saying is it was 'filler' as part of a over-arching story, the knew where they'd been and where they where going with the whole 'link', hence Greene was involved at a middle layer so whilst having knowingly QoS was the 'meat in the sandwich' of the arc, they wanted this and wanted QoS as Bond being 'unleashed' and dealing with grief of Vespa and being a 'Rottweiler' off the leash.

 

[B]

Well in fairness Connery's Bond did basically force himself on a couple of women.

His Bond was especially guilty of this, Moore's wasn't subtle about it either from what I can recall.

Yeah if Connery's Bond came out today to say I think it would take some heat is a understatement lol

Those 2 clips have not aged well at all, I honestly have no idea who either female character is that he's hitting ie whether they're a villain/hench woman as it's been that long since I've seen them, but they both lack any sort of charm if that makes sense.

 

[Iceman]

QoS had a specific job to do, it was made with the full intention of being a 'stop-gap' narrative between CR & the next film, but when the writing strike and the financial problems the studio had came apparent and a longer gap was evident, they had to 'box' the story in and make it a 'elaster-plast' narrative, Craig has gone on record, saying basically he and the director wrote the end of the film on set, that's partly why, after such a hardcore pace for most of the film, the ending is so abrupt. They wanted it as a brutal revenge film, nothing more, no 'espionage', or Bondian themes of the past, get in, action, get out. Let the next film pick up the trace of the over-arching story, and that point, they didn't know the gap would be 4 years till Skyfall. Hence the 107 minute running time.

Oh thanks for the explanation. I had no idea.

 

[KevTravels]

If you're talking box office than Bond is much bigger in UK than US. Skyfall and Spectre are the second and third biggest movies of all time (not adjusted for inflation) in UK. Only The Force Awakens have made more money than those

was it the same of the previous films from the 60's/70's?

 

[KevTravels]

Yeeep. Connery = not a nice human being.

Speaking of the Bond-forcing-himself-on-women stuff, that Bellucci scene in Spectre really bugs the hell out of me, it's so uncomfortable.

i can't remember that precisely. what exactly do you refer to?

 

[KevTravels]

Quantom of Solace is so underwhelming coming after Casino Royale. Luckily after QoS, Craig got Skyfall.

For me, QoS is his weakest Bond film. Though I did enjoy the villain, I can def see why some folks wasn't filling him.

 

[Aximili86]

Sorry, what I'm saying is it was 'filler' as part of a over-arching story, the knew where they'd been and where they where going with the whole 'link', hence Greene was involved at a middle layer so whilst having knowingly QoS was the 'meat in the sandwich' of the arc, they wanted this and wanted QoS as Bond being 'unleashed' and dealing with grief of Vespa and being a 'Rottweiler' off the leash.

Well, I don't know. Quantum's clearly a big step down from Casino overall, but I don't suspect they ever intended it as filler. If you're going to do a slow-build on a big all-encompassing evil organization, basically SPECTRE under a different name (at the time), you've gotta start somewhere - you don't start with Blofeld or whatever Blofeld equivalent they were mulling over at the time. There are a few of those types of villains in the older movies too.

They definitely seemed to be going "bigger" as an attempt with Quantum, rather than basically going after a single wealthy arms dealer in the first movie they're going after a guy with the power to destabilize nations & economies. Sure, he answers to people further up the chain, but he's still basically a more powerful guy than LeChiffre who's basically just in it to enrichen himself by selling things that go boom.

Weirdly, in a lot of ways I sort of enjoy the feel of Quantum more than Skyfall & Spectre though, Not the photography, the shaky-cam bull**** is so awful, and it's a way inferior movie in terms of emotional stakes and all, but at least it kind of stayed in the wheelhouse of the tone Casino established. Failed at living up to it, totally, but in a tonal sense it's a little more what I was wanting from the last two movies. Just with better scripts and someone who doesn't film fight scenes like Bourne with even more ADD.

 

[Dark Raven]

To be fair to Moore, he wasn't happy with some of the stuff they made him do. Slapping around Maud Adams in TMWTGG for one thing.

He also twisted her arm, and when she said he was hurting her, he said he would break it if she didn't talk.

 

[jolldan]

He also twisted her arm, and when she said he was hurting her, he said he would break it if she didn't talk.

I forget which Bond that is, it may have happened on more than one occasion.

Are you talking about the spy girl who scratches the black guys face? lol personally always thought she deserved it.

 

[Dark Raven]

I forget which Bond that is, it may have happened on more than one occasion.

Are you talking about the spy girl who scratches the black guys face? lol personally always thought she deserved it.

It's the same film that Kahran Ramsus was referring to above. In TMWTGG, Roger Moore slaps Maud Adams around and threatens to break her arm after twisting it cruelly behind her back.

No wonder she joined an Octopus cult where they have many more arms.

 

[Schlosser85]

The way that movie uses Herve Villechaize would never fly today.

It's as cringey as the other one with the two gay assassins.

 

[Dark Raven]

The way that movie uses Herve Villechaize would never fly today.

It's as cringey as the other one with the two gay assassins.

I thought having those two showing up at the end for one final fight against Bond was cool. The main action is already over, and it's all winding down, and then you find out that someone is still at large and trying to kill Bond. So he has to dispose of them, and then finishes off the film with a one-liner.

I would like more of those. They had that in From Russia With Love (with Rosa Klebb and her pointy shoes), Goldfinger (with Goldfinger on the plane) and in Live and Let Die (with Tee Hee on the train). It's like a little encore. We haven't seen that sort of thing for a long time.

 

[AverageMan]

small mercies that QoS has the shortest run time. lol.