best rendition of the symbiote sage

[spider-neil]

opinions please

 

[spida-man]

opinions please

this is a tough choice. i know people are gonna say TAS because it was the one that inspired the movie and SSM but. I tend to be the rebel when ppl feel that the orgina; is always better(which is sooo not freakin' true). i have never read the original story however i do know how it hapened. I can't really vote on which one i like the best but i'd have to say for me it would be between SM3, SSM and TAS.
It's such a difficult choice. I love all three of those versions.

 

[November Rain]

you forgot ultimate in your poll....

and it's probably not best to have people vote before nature vs nuture plays out.

 

[spider-neil]

you forgot ultimate in your poll....

and it's probably not best to have people vote before nature vs nuture plays out.

there's the 'comics' option

 

[November Rain]

you know you messed up, take it like a man.

 

[spider-neil]

you know you messed up, take it like a man.

 

[MattXG]

The Animated Series was the best. Its why Spectacular Spider-Man copied it.

The Animated Series made the whole thing seem more "epic" to me. Especially when Brock became Venom. The whole dream sequence where Spider-Man and the Symbiote are fighting over Peter Parker was also much better in TAS...

 

[MattXG]

I think some of you may need to be reminded of just how epic the 90's Animated Series Venom saga was...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8t_xd3HF8ys

Wow... BLOWS Spectacular out of the water really. Though I think Spectacular blows TAS out of the water when it comes to out of costume character intereaction....

 

[Anwar]

The Animated Series was the best. Its why Spectacular Spider-Man copied it.

However, the Animated Series made the whole thing seem more "epic" to me. Especially when Brock became Venom. The whole dream sequence where Spider-Man and the Symbiote are fighting over Peter Parker was also much better in TAS...

Might as well point out that TAS just copied the dream battle where his costumes fight each other from the comics...

 

[MattXG]

Might as well point out that TAS just copied the dream battle where his costumes fight each other from the comics...

What's your point though?

Both TAS and Spectacular had a "Spider-Man vs. Symbiote" dream sequence battle. TAS was just the better take I feel.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

The Animated Series was the best. Its why Spectacular Spider-Man copied it.

Kinda hard to copy it when the guy writing the series never watched it.

The only thing they have in common is the symbiote being brought back by John Jameson, which is, really not that hard of an idea. Can't do Secret Wars, the thing comes from space, and hey, we have an established astronaut character.

 

[Anwar]

And Peter being changed by the symbiote, mentally and physically. But since TAS was the first to do that (and it was written by Stan Lee) I suppose all subsequent symbiote stories are obliged to follow that guideline.

 

[MattXG]

Kinda hard to copy it when the guy writing the series never watched it.

The only thing they have in common is the symbiote being brought back by John Jameson, which is, really not that hard of an idea. Can't do Secret Wars, the thing comes from space, and hey, we have an established astronaut character.

LOL

Right...I'm sure the writer never heard of what had been done in the last animated series and just happened to coincidentally write the same exact story...

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

And Peter being changed by the symbiote, mentally and physically. But since TAS was the first to do that (and it was written by Stan Lee) I suppose all subsequent symbiote stories are obliged to follow that guideline.

TAS was written by Stan Lee? News to me.

Source?

 

[Anwar]

Check the writing credits of "Alien Costume" part one. Story was by Stan Lee and Avi Arad.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

LOL

Right...I'm sure the writer never heard of what had been done in the last animated series and just happened to coincidentally write the same exact story...

I know Greg Weisman personally, have for several years now, before he got this gig. He's never seen more than a single episode of TAS, and when he got this gig, he intentionally chose not to go back and watch any of the prior shows, so he would approach this one fresh.

And it's not the exact same story.

Let's see, did TAS have Chameleon and Black Cat? No.
Was the symbiote stolen from a lab? No.
Did the Sinister Six appear? No.
Did Aunt May have a heart attack? No.
Did Flash Thompson knock some sense into Pete? No.
Did Spidey make a deal with the Big Crime Lord? No.

Did SSM have Promethium X? No.
Was John Jameson hospitalized? No.
Was John Jameson kidnapped? No.
Did Jameson and Spidey team up? No.
Did the shuttle crash in Manhattan? No.
Did we get the origin story? No.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

Check the writing credits of "Alien Costume" part one. Story was by Stan Lee and Avi Arad.

Okay, speaking as someone who's working in the biz. That means they may have contributed ideas, they were Semper's bosses after all. But, Stan's connections were loose at best. Both were credited as Executive Producers. That was mostly Semper.

Stan is an Executive Producer on SSM as well, but he's not writing or in the offices or making decisions or anything.

 

[Anwar]

Really? I'd have thought the basic reinvention of the symbiote as having been brought back by John Jameson and how it actually does stuff to Peter as being something Stan might think up. It's also a way of retelling ASM 1 where Spidey saved John from his crash.

 

[spida-man]

I know Greg Weisman personally, have for several years now, before he got this gig. He's never seen more than a single episode of TAS, and when he got this gig, he intentionally chose not to go back and watch any of the prior shows, so he would approach this one fresh.

And it's not the exact same story.

Let's see, did TAS have Chameleon and Black Cat? No.
Was the symbiote stolen from a lab? No.
Did the Sinister Six appear? No.
Did Aunt May have a heart attack? No.
Did Flash Thompson knock some sense into Pete? No.
Did Spidey make a deal with the Big Crime Lord? No.

Did SSM have Promethium X? No.
Was John Jameson hospitalized? No.
Was John Jameson kidnapped? No.
Did Jameson and Spidey team up? No.
Did the shuttle crash in Manhattan? No.
Did we get the origin story? No.

lmao
and really if anything was copied from TAS it would be black suit spidey hanging upside down looking at his reflection. that's about it.

 

[Anwar]

And they may have just used that because it was in SM3.

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

Really? I'd have thought the basic reinvention of the symbiote as having been brought back by John Jameson and how it actually does stuff to Peter as being something Stan might think up. It's also a way of retelling ASM 1 where Spidey saved John from his crash.

Now, I don't know for sure. I wasn't there. But, I've read interviews with Semper, he pretty much takes credit for that entire show... bit pompous, I think. Says the only episodes he had no control over were the Hobgoblin episodes in season one.

But, Avi Arad is not a storyteller, and these days Stan Lee is more of a businessman. So, while they may have suggested the idea, that's probably all it was. Happens all the time in this biz.

 

[hpwiz89]

Well up to right now I like the Spectacular Spider-Mna saga more but there is one more episode to go...

 

[Anwar]

Now, I don't know for sure. I wasn't there. But, I've read interviews with Semper, he pretty much takes credit for that entire show... bit pompous, I think. Says the only episodes he had no control over were the Hobgoblin episodes in season one.

But, Avi Arad is not a storyteller, and these days Stan Lee is more of a businessman. So, while they may have suggested the idea, that's probably all it was. Happens all the time in this biz.

Well, you're probably right seeing how Semper's name was all over the credits for the other Alien Costume episodes.

 

[MattXG]

I know Greg Weisman personally, have for several years now, before he got this gig. He's never seen more than a single episode of TAS, and when he got this gig, he intentionally chose not to go back and watch any of the prior shows, so he would approach this one fresh.

And it's not the exact same story.

Let's see, did TAS have Chameleon and Black Cat? No.
Was the symbiote stolen from a lab? No.
Did the Sinister Six appear? No.
Did Aunt May have a heart attack? No.
Did Flash Thompson knock some sense into Pete? No.
Did Spidey make a deal with the Big Crime Lord? No.

Did SSM have Promethium X? No.
Was John Jameson hospitalized? No.
Was John Jameson kidnapped? No.
Did Jameson and Spidey team up? No.
Did the shuttle crash in Manhattan? No.
Did we get the origin story? No.

Tiny details. Who cares?

Did the suit hitch a ride down on the Jameson space shuttle? Yes.

Perhaps your acquaintance didn't WATCH the episodes but that doesn't mean he didn't read about them....

Also, TAS DID have a major point with Flash and Peter and the (sorta) Black Cat.

Peter hits on Flash's then girlfriend Felcia Hardy. Flash gets angry and starts to walk off with Felcia and Peter calls Flash a "bonehead" and Flash goes back to Peter and grabs him saying "When did Peter Parker develop a backbone?" and Peter grabs Flash and says "I've developed a lot more than a backbone, Flash." and as they are walking off Felcia (the Black Cat) tells Peter "You HAVE changed...and it scares me."

Which was a moment Peter reflects on later after he almost kills the Rhino...

 

[Sarcastic Fan]

Tiny details. Who cares?

Did the suit hitch a ride down on the Jameson space shuttle? Yes.

Perhaps your acquaintance didn't WATCH the episodes but that doesn't mean he didn't read about them....

Also, TAS DID have a major point with Flash and Peter and the (sorta) Black Cat.

Peter hits on Flash's then girlfriend Felcia Hardy. Flash gets angry and starts to walk off with Felcia and Peter calls Flash a "bonehead" and Flash goes back to Peter and grabs him saying "When did Peter Parker develop a backbone?" and Peter grabs Flash and says "I've developed a lot more than a backbone, Flash." and as they are walking off Felcia (the Black Cat) tells Peter "You HAVE changed...and it scares me."

Which was a moment Peter reflects on later after he almost kills the Rhino...

Wow, I cite major plot points and you call them "tiny details."

You cite a tiny detail and turn it into a major plot point.

Cute, my friend. Real cute. I bet you were captain of the debate team.