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Comics Big Time begins...Official Thread

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Ok, so, I just read it.
I was very pleasantly surprised.
It was a very good issue.
Funny, action packed and a good couple of mysteries starting...
Loved the outfit Pete wore throughout the issue, very Ben Reilly-esque...
 
I loved Doc Ock still having the other super villains under his thumb, and causing city wide mayhem and destruction.
 
I loved it, lots of cool developments. But man was that last page cool. I've been waiting to see that since forever! It makes me more intrigued about the new Hobgoblin. Will Kingsley brainwash the new Hobby into doing Kingpin's bidding?

I have a lot I'd like to say, because a lot happened, but I don't really have the time. I hope every issue of Big Time is like this. :up:
 
Saw it and was also very surprised; lots of wrapping up and setting up new things. I'm hopeful for this new direction, and I'm hoping that Carlie becomes likable. (I didn't stab my head when reading her today, so improvement!) Pete's new job and co-workers should add nicely to his supporting cast.
 
So, today began Dan Slott first issue as the lone writer on Amazing Spider-Man, kicking things off with “Big Time” which promises to be the start of BIG changes to Spider-Man’s world. So did I think the first issue delivered? Read on.

The story by Dan Slott and Humberto Ramos can easily be divided into two-halves. The first is Spidey teaming up with the Avengers, the Fantastic Four, and the Black Cat (who is trying to seduce Spidey into helping her become an Avenger herself) to stop Doctor Octopus from invading the city with giant, robotic octopi “War of the Worlds” style, which Slott wisely uses to reference and follow-up Doc Ock’s earlier “benevolent” scheme from issue #600. The Avengers turning to Spidey on advice for how to stop Doc Ock on the grounds that he’s had the most experience in fighting him is one of those clever and inspired ideas that you wonder why more writers on Spidey haven‘t used it before. And not only does it provide a rousing action sequence to get readers hooked, but it also allows for an opportunity by Slott to remind readers that Spidey isn’t just a wisecracker but that he’s also a scientific genius. After all, it’s not everyday you see someone use daylight savings in order to delay the countdown of a bomb. (It’s silly that not all the Avengers know Spidey’s secret identity, though). Not to mention, Slott definitely knows how to write Spidey in character in here.

However, having characters like Doc Ock, Human Torch, (and later Noarh Winters, Flash Thompson, and Aunt May) drilling into our heads about what a genius Peter is does get rather repetitive, especially since we actually do see Peter get to display that genius. Granted, it’s done to foreshadow the new job Peter gets at the end of the issue, but it still comes off as heavy-handed. Still, without question, this half of the story was, bar none, my favorite part of the issue overall.

The second-half not only establishes Peter’s current status quo but also hints at possible upcoming stories. Given the amount of developments Slott introduces here, you really get the impression that a lot of them he wanted to bring up before but couldn’t due to the three-times-a-month, rotating creative team schedule brought about by “Brand New Day.” For instance, thanks to the intervention of Jonah and Marla Jameson, Joe Robertson gets the rights to the “Daily Bugle” name, and thus the Frontline is now literally the new Daily Bugle, much to Norah Winters chagrin. Also, Michele Gonzales leaves for Chicago--and apparently the series--after resolving the case of her brother Vin (and thank goodness, because her character’s welcome had long since gone past its expiration date), which it’s resulting in yet another series of scenes with Peter calling up and going door-to-door to various people to find a place to crash.

But unlike when Mark Waid did something similar back in issue #601, Slott appropriately uses this as a device to get the readers caught-up on the status of various supporting characters. Among them, we find out that Peter’s new girlfriend, Carlie Cooper, has joined a roller-derby team (in which Slott seriously makes a not-so-subtle comparison between her new sporting hobby and Peter being Spider-Man of all things) and that Flash and Betty have hooked up again (which is unsurprising, but welcome). There’s even an “awkward” moment in which Peter attempts to ask Mary Jane if he can move back in with her which they both wind up hysterically laughing at, which thus comes across as yet another post-One More Day “Ha! Ha! Peter and MJ aren‘t getting back together, suckers!” slap-in-the-face. (Also, if asking your new girlfriend to move in together so soon after you just started a relationship wasn‘t clueless enough, but to then asking your ex to move in as well while you’re in a relationship with someone else? It’s amazing Peter has managed to get as far as he has with women.)

We also get introduced to Peter’s new job at Horizon Labs, but unfortunately, it doesn‘t come across nearly as impressive as the promotional material--or the story--lets it on to be. With the exception of Marla Jameson helping him get the position, it is thus far the exact same set-up Howard Mackie gave Peter ten odd years ago with his job at Tri-Corp (even though we‘re supposed to believe it‘s not in any way like Tri-Corp), complete with a set of diverse and “quirky” co-workers as new cast members. This time around we get Peter’s hip, baby-boomer scientist boss named Max Modell; a heavy-set, chummy, slacker-wanna be named Grady Scraps; and a stoical, east-Indian chick named Salani Jaffrey--all of whom seem come across as being thinly-developed and dull. At least this allows for a rather amusing sequence in which Peter-- after stopping an experiment that has dangerously gone awry--gets a “pop-quiz” in which his past experience as Spidey coincidentally helps him with the answers.

Along the way, we get some other developments that act as “prologues” for future stories. We have a mysterious, armored character stalking Jameson and anyone connected with him (which I’m guessing might be Alistair Smythe in a new costume); a New Sinister Six (this time comprised of Doc Ock, Electro, Chameleon, Sandman, Mysterio, and Rhino); Norah attempting to investigate a new Green Goblin subculture among the criminal underclass (as evidenced from Vin‘s tattoo from last issue); Mac Gargan being separated from the Venom symbiote; The Kingpin wanting to obtain a synthetic form of Vibranium from Horizon Labs (and thanks for spoiling the end of Shadowland, Marvel!); and the return of Marla Jameson, Phil Urich (Ben Urich’s nephew and the former heroic version of the Green Goblin), Col. John Jameson, and, of course, the Hobgoblin (who is confirmed to be Roderick Kingsley).

Yet even though Slott gives the impression that Peter’s life is starting to move forward and is, for once, not being caught in a vicious circle, it still, paradoxically, feels like he’s covering territory already explored by previous Spider-Man writers, and that‘s certainly my greatest misgiving about the issue overall. Nevertheless, it’s this is a fun, well-paced, Spider-Man story with snappy dialogue (although I could have done without a particular fart joke) that gets the job done of bringing readers up to speed and setting things in motion, though the residue of “Brand New Day” still lingers. Also, while I am normally mixed when it comes to the artistic style of Humerto Ramos, I feel it’s rather appropriate given the type of story, as it helps to add to the fun and kinetic mood Slott is going for. All in all, it’s not a bad way to kick things off.

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Saw it and was also very surprised; lots of wrapping up and setting up new things. I'm hopeful for this new direction, and I'm hoping that Carlie becomes likable. (I didn't stab my head when reading her today, so improvement!) Pete's new job and co-workers should add nicely to his supporting cast.
I'm already feeling Sanji. I can see her being a cool addition.

Get rid of Carlie, stop with the ''Hahaha! Mary Jane is never gonna be with him again!" taunts to people and this book could actually be legitimately good.
 
Doesn't Harry and MJ live together.... Oh wait, he left last issue, nevermind...
Oh, and the Shadowy Guy, it's a Scorpion... That why they want Mac Gargan.
You can tell from the mask pincers and the emblem on the chest...
 
I agree with stillanerd about the slap-in-the-face.

What a forced moment when Peter and MJ start laughing after MJ proposes they live together again. Was it really so funny, that Peter's face had to contort like he just had a joker-gas induced seizure, or was that a byproduct of Ramos' still crappy art?

I'm not still upset about the Mephisto deal breaking up Peter and MJ. I think it's a terrible story, but I've learned to accept it. What is messed up is this kinda overzealous taunting that the writers engage in towards anyone who wants to see them back together again. It seems petty.

Plus, no couple who lived together for years would ever act in that surreal and terrifyingly unnatural way. And the Peter Parker I read in the 80's, 90's and first half of the 00's who said he would "go to Hell and back for MJ" definitely wouldn't.
 
Sometimes people laugh at stuff during times of high anxiety & grief.... it's a known fact that Peter jokes when he's scared ****less, so perhaps we're seeing something akin to that...

(I haven't read the issue yet, so I have no context to reference)

We know what they've been through as a couple (and even before that), we know they're trying to stay friends for the sake of their relationship and their history, and I would think that would be difficult... hence the laffs...

But again, maybe I should read the book first...

:o
 
reading it at the moment so far so meh. nothing major but seriously jersey shore and twilight references i think my spidey love just died a little

and the mj thing was another stupid move they want the fans to move past it but keep insulting them
 
I like Sandman better as a "SuperHero"

They can easily turn him good again. There was a back up story years ago revealing Wizard hooked him up to that brainwashing machine he's so fond of. Then when Slott had his Thing series Sandman showed up one issue and they flashed back to that same story. So Slott atleast remembers why Sandman went rogue again.
 
I loved it, lots of cool developments. But man was that last page cool. I've been waiting to see that since forever! It makes me more intrigued about the new Hobgoblin. Will Kingsley brainwash the new Hobby into doing Kingpin's bidding?

I have a lot I'd like to say, because a lot happened, but I don't really have the time. I hope every issue of Big Time is like this. :up:
I second that. :up:
 
Sometimes people laugh at stuff during times of high anxiety & grief.... it's a known fact that Peter jokes when he's scared ****less, so perhaps we're seeing something akin to that...

(I haven't read the issue yet, so I have no context to reference)

We know what they've been through as a couple (and even before that), we know they're trying to stay friends for the sake of their relationship and their history, and I would think that would be difficult... hence the laffs...

But again, maybe I should read the book first...

:o

You should really read the issue before you try defending it. I'm not coming down on you, because by and large, I enjoy your posts, even though we see things differently. But, giving what we know about the situation in the books, it does come off as a thinly veiled slap in the face to us MJ fans.

Anyway, speaking as one of those vocal detractors of OMD/BND, I thought Big Time is off to a great start! First off, I'm a fan of Ramos, so I really liked the art.

Slott seemed to hit a lot of bases in the start of this new era. And by enlarge, I enjoyed them. Spidey's role in the Avengers fighting a giant plot by Doc Ock, the start of a new Sinister Six, removing the symbiote from Gargan (hopefully we get Scorpion back), Jameson back with Marla, Flash with Betty, Michelle leaving, Robbie & Urich getting the Daily Bugle Name, and the return of Kingpin & Hobby. It looks like Dan has a good grasp on continuity!

The new job, I agree smells like the Tri-Corp reboot. And yes, the Pete/MJ scene does read like a slap in the face. I know Dan comes to these boards. If he does, let me ask to refrain from these sort of "inside jokes." While I'm still annoyed with this direction with the marriage, I'm willing to go along with things right now. I enjoyed this first issue and look forward to your run. Please try to not bait us "marriage fans" who are trying to otherwise enjoy your stories. OK?

By in large, a good start to hopefully a better Spidey era!
 
Only one real nit-pick i have concerns the HobGoblin...
actually, it's 2:
1 - Since when is Roderick Kingsley someone else's hired muscle/goon? he's always been the brains of the operations...
2 - How do we know for sure that this IS Kingsley? All we have is Fisk call him Kingsley, never do we actually see under the mask...

Oh, and I still do not like Ramos's art, though it is better than his previous Spidey art.
Also YAY!!!! Phil Urich's back!!!!!!!!
 
Only one real nit-pick i have concerns the HobGoblin...
actually, it's 2:
1 - Since when is Roderick Kingsley someone else's hired muscle/goon? he's always been the brains of the operations...
2 - How do we know for sure that this IS Kingsley? All we have is Fisk call him Kingsley, never do we actually see under the mask...

Oh, and I still do not like Ramos's art, though it is better than his previous Spidey art.
Also YAY!!!! Phil Urich's back!!!!!!!!

Maybe it's not the same Kingsley. I forget was he called Roderick?
 
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Don't forget that Roderick Kingsley had a twin brother named Daniel Kingsley... :wow: :wow: :wow:

:yay:
 
Hobgoblin was always hired muscle until he turned on the Kingpin wasn't he?
Or am I just thinking of TAS?
 
Also, didn't Slott say that we would know from the very beginning who the Hobgoblin was, and that their would be no mystery?
 
@Mr.E - Yeah, your remembering the Animated series of the 90's.

Kingpin called him Kingsley...
I'm betting that this IS Daniel and not Roderick.
Something is going to happen to Daniel while in a fight with or around Spidey and Roderick is going to seek his revenge against Fisk and Spidey.

I, myself would love to see this soon:
Norman, Roderick, Harry, Phil, Lily and Gabriel just have a huge Goblin-Brawl....
the last 2 only cause they are goblins now....
 
Only one real nit-pick i have concerns the HobGoblin...
actually, it's 2:
1 - Since when is Roderick Kingsley someone else's hired muscle/goon? he's always been the brains of the operations...

Well, during the big Gang Wars of the 80's, Hobby was seen as hired muscle for the Rose while Jack-O-Lantern served Kingpin. That's how their rivalry got started (that led to Maceldane becoming Hobby for a while).

2 - How do we know for sure that this IS Kingsley? All we have is Fisk call him Kingsley, never do we actually see under the mask...

This is true. Slott promised no long mysteries, so his ID should be confirmed by next issue if it's not Kingsley.

Oh, and I still do not like Ramos's art, though it is better than his previous Spidey art.
Also YAY!!!! Phil Urich's back!!!!!!!!

Well I really enjoy Ramos's art. It's fun and I love the detail.

And yes, it should be interesting to see Phil Urich and if he somehow gets entangled in this Goblin tatoos, Osborn, and/or Hobby thing.
 
Only one real nit-pick i have concerns the HobGoblin...
actually, it's 2:
1 - Since when is Roderick Kingsley someone else's hired muscle/goon? he's always been the brains of the operations...
2 - How do we know for sure that this IS Kingsley? All we have is Fisk call him Kingsley, never do we actually see under the mask...

Oh, and I still do not like Ramos's art, though it is better than his previous Spidey art.
Also YAY!!!! Phil Urich's back!!!!!!!!

Aloha,
The only Spider-Man comics I own that I have NEVER read, are the Spectacular Spider-Man's drawn by Ramos. His current work is 100% better than it was in the past. I actually enjoyed his work.I knew Slott would not disappoint. Looking forward to him having a very long run on Amazing.
Spidey rules-Big Time!:yay:
 
Oh, and the Shadowy Guy, it's a Scorpion... That why they want Mac Gargan.
You can tell from the mask pincers and the emblem on the chest...

Really?? To me it's fairly obvious that this is an upgraded Smythe. :)
 

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