The Dark Knight Biggest Disappointment

[El Payaso]

Fox's handling of Reese over the blackmail was outstanding and hilarious.

Hilarious and freeking genius!!!

That's a perfect example of how humour can come natural instead of forcing a stupid and predictable one-liner in.

 

[Brother Jack]

That was because of that scene's good writing and Freeman's delivery. It was one of the best comic bits in the film.

 

[Cordoba]

My biggest disappointment was the demise of Gambol.

 

[Travesty]

My biggest disappointment was the demise of Gambol.

Are you talking about how choppy the scene was when he died, or that you didn't want to see him die?

 

[[A]]

Both are valid.

 

[Figs]

Are you talking about how choppy the scene was when he died, or that you didn't want to see him die?

I still think they should have had the knife sticking out of his mouth when he fell over dead, as if Joker had shoved it up into his brain through his mouth.

Only other possibility of killing him that quick where his knife was placed would be slitting his throat, which I highly doubt was intended as that would result in a lot more blood.

 

[Travesty]

I still think they should have had the knife sticking out of his mouth when he fell over dead, as if Joker had shoved it up into his brain through his mouth.

That would make more sense to me.

Only other possibility of killing him that quick where his knife was placed would be slitting his throat, which I highly doubt was intended as that would result in a lot more blood.

Even if he slit his throat, I'm almost postive that he would be grabbing at his throat to try and not let himself bleed to death. You don't really die instantly by a slit throat, you die within a 1-2 min, by loss of blood.

Not that big of a deal, just sayin. I just thought the scene was way to choppy, and was a let down by the build up that was shown to us.

 

[El Payaso]

You're all right about the Gambol's death scene. There's no way he could have died so quickly from a knife in his mouth.

 

[Cordoba]

Are you talking about how choppy the scene was when he died, or that you didn't want to see him die?

The fashion of his death was truly appalling.

 

[Figs]

You're all right about the Gambol's death scene. There's no way he could have died so quickly from a knife in his mouth.

Was that a typo?

Travesty had said he wouldn't have died so quickly if his throat were slit(which is true) but as I said before that, he would have died instantly if Joker had shoved the knife into his brain via the roof of his mouth.

Where he had the knife positioned, as if to give him the Chelsea grin, that wouldn't kill someone to my knowledge.

 

[Brother Jack]

I actually don't have much of a problem with Gambol's death, even though I understand why one would. The build-up with the "Why so serious" story was good enough for me, I didn't need to see exactly what was done.

 

[The Joker]

I actually don't have much of a problem with Gambol's death, even though I understand why one would. The build-up with the "Why so serious" story was good enough for me, I didn't need to see exactly what was done.

Ditto. Heath made the scene so intense and brilliant.

 

[mothy]

Ditto. Heath made the scene so intense and brilliant.

that he did. best scene of the film for me. we are seeing the joker in his element. he's doing his thing. you can see the insanity in his eyes reach a peak as his story reaches the conclusion. tense and well acted.

i think it says a lot about how great ledger's performance is that nolan stuck mostly to a close up when the natural inclination would probably have been to alternate between a wide shot encompassing the joker and gambol and a close up of just gambol to remind the audience of his peril. not the intuitive choice but nolan definitely made the right choice.

great stuff.

 

[BingoJesus]

but Gambol didn't die? I personally don't get his whole "slumping over" thing, as when Gordon et al go to get Maroni and all the other folk you see Gambol with a dressing on his face getting arrested.

(maybe I'm seeing things though)

 

[mothy]

but Gambol didn't die? I personally don't get his whole "slumping over" thing, as when Gordon et al go to get Maroni and all the other folk you see Gambol with a dressing on his face getting arrested.

(maybe I'm seeing things though)

you are. gambol is dead as a doornail. yes, the blade is in his mouth - and i doubt that would kill, but we don't see how the joker, er..executes the move.

the joker could have rammed the knife through the roof of gambol's mouth quickly after cutting his smile. or cut the smile then slit gambol's throat.

who knows. we don't see what the joker does. all that i know is that gambol is deceased. there is no way in hell the joker would let this man walk away alive. killing him was revenge.

 

[lzzy]

PG-13 meant that they couldn't show Gambol's face being split open, but he certainly died.

 

[mothy]

PG-13 meant that they couldn't show Gambol's face being split open, but he certainly died.

absolutely. no doubt about it.

 

[lzzy]

At least there's no denial like in the 'Burton's Batman didn't kill anyone' thread :P

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Have your face cut open wouldn't kill you. And you certainly wouldn't slump over silently from it.

The only explanation I can think of is Joker snapped his neck as he sliced his face.

 

[mothy]

The only explanation I can think of is Joker snapped his neck as he sliced his face.

strangely (and stupidly) i didn't think of that. good call. i'm more willing to accept this actually.

 

[Travesty]

I actually don't have much of a problem with Gambol's death, even though I understand why one would. The build-up with the "Why so serious" story was good enough for me, I didn't need to see exactly what was done.

I thought it was horrible, and it didn't have to do with seeing how he died, but just the overall sloppy editing of the scene. It was just as bad, if not worse, then the "I'm Batman" scene in Begins when he says, "nice coat" afterwords. It just broke up the buildup and intensity of the scene.

With Begins, you go , because the line was bad. With TDK, you go , because the editing was bad.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't see how the editing was bad in that scene. What, coz it didn't actually show Joker land the death blow? A PG-13 wouldn't be allowed to show that.

How was the editing bad?

 

[lzzy]

The editing wasn't as bad as Batman Begins

 

[Travesty]

I don't see how the editing was bad in that scene. What, coz it didn't actually show Joker land the death blow? A PG-13 wouldn't be allowed to show that.

How was the editing bad?

I'm not worried about seeing blood and guts all over the screen. It's just one second we have a build up of The Joker with a blade in the guys mouth, giving his "why so serious" speech, and then a sharp noise, and BAM, Gambol falls over dead from what seems to be a cut from a knife. I think it was how sporadic the scene was, we see Jokers face, then it cues to Gambols thug, and then back to Gambol who is already dead from a knife cut. It was just like, "hey look at joker, no, look at Thug, no, look at Gambol".

The scene just made me wonder if he was actually dead or not. At first I didn't know if he was dead, but I just took it that he died, since The Joker left and let the other guys fend for themselves to join "his team". I mean, even B89, that also has a PG-13 rating, was clear enough to show you that Joker could shoot Bob The Goon from close range. The scene just didn't do anything for me I guess? It's like when your grandma pumps you up, and says shes got a great present for you, and it's rapped in a box with a huge bow, you tear it up, just to find a pair of socks. You're like, "ohhhhhh, socks. Cool?". It's just a huge let down.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

You could get away with much, much more back in those days. **** even in Indiana Jones you see people get shot in the head.

That's why I've never got all this talk of TDK pushing the bounderies of PG-13, coz it most certainly didn't.

The only way to explain Gambol dying there is that Joker snapped his neck as he cut him.