The Dark Knight Biggest Disappointment

[Ace of Knaves]

i noticed some distortion in his voice when he said "....thats if the batman left anyone else to buy from"

 

[Bat Creature]

I think that had to do with the fact you don't see Scarecrow from the POV of someone infected with the fear toxin.

Yes, that might be the reason. But without the distorted voice, the character seemed a lot less menacing than he was in "Begins".

Also, having him wear a costume instead of just a suit (like he did at the end of "Begins" with the open staitjacket) would have made Scarecrow look more like one of the "freaks".

But these are really not "disappointments" at all. More like minor quibbles.

 

[zmystico]

I wasn't disappointed, but I would've loved to have seen more gags from the Joker, Ledger did a great job, but he didn't seem to have as much fun as other interpretations of The Joker we've seen...ironically he seemed more like the serious Joker (pun on the "why so serius"). Even he said it himself, he likes throwing wrenches in people's plans, wanting to see the world burn, it just would've been nicer to see him do more things just for a laugh like BTAS Joker does.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

he did crack a few jokes though, i liked this one.
Gordon: "Where is he?"
Joker: "Whats the time?
Gordon: "what difference does that make?
Joker: "Well....depending on the time he could be in one place, or several"

 

[scatterax]

i heard batman was gonna change his costume during the course of the movie and that the bat-mobile was gonna blow up half way threw the movie like a year or two ago. and we all heard that line about rebuilding the batcave at the end of BB. so i guess my biggest disappointment is that instead of his new suit being the grey 1 from the comics, it looked even more like armor (kinda like iron man) and instead of a more stylish batmobile we got the batpod. and instead of a fully equipped bat cave and a new wayne manner he lives in a pent house (kinda like iron man) and he tests his gadgets in a bat bunker instead of a cave. (kinda like how iron man tested his armor in the movie.)

even though vissually it wasn't like the comics, that didn't bother me enough not to like it. so far it's my favorite movie of the year, and my 3rd fave of all time.

(so am i the only one that was reminded of iron man durring the scene in batman begins when hes in the prison? cuz even the 1st time i saw that i thought bruce in prison was a bit closer to iron man's origin than batmans, but maybe that's just me.)

 

[scatterax]

i noticed some distortion in his voice when he said "....thats if the batman left anyone else to buy from"

really? it didn't seem anything other than normal to me? batmans voice on the other hand.........

 

[Mr. Earle]

Hay guys. I have been away for quite some time and i didnt want to come here and spoil myself before watching the movie. Now i have and frankly, its now impossible to catch up with all the posts and threads around here. So, please forgive me if i am slowpoking.

I have been busy lately and couldnt log on to the Hype but my mind was always on the film and the points i want to make about it. So since i cant really catch up with all the posts, may i ask you to reply to the points i am making? Just briefly state your opinion and the public conscencous on what i am discussing please so that i could get a clear view on how people recieved things.

So here...I....go! (next post)

 

[JokerLedger]

the fact that the Joker's make-up did not rot away all the way through like the filmmakers have said in interviews. Yeah... The Joker's make-up did wear off by the time we got to the interrogation scene... but once he got out, he re-applied it.

I think it would've been more sinister if his make-up continued to come off until the very end of the movie to the point where we see more of his face.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Okay, lets start:

1) When Batman is standing on the Sears Towers listening to the radio frequences, there should have been more skyscrapers around to make for a better and not empty Gotham. It should also be a bit darker and he should be posing a bit better. Like a gargoyle or something with his cape billowing. Nolan just had him stand there holding his head.

2) How many times do we have to see batman crash a car roof before it gets ridiculous? I mean, are car roofs in his arsenal next to preptime and his belt? Jesus Christ Nolan enough!
Also, Scarecrow's car seemed stopped when he crashed it while it should have been moving. It seemed like it instantly stopped. Then, how did Rachel survive the fall without a hax suit? Even with the cape decelerating the fall, she crashed on a roof! She should be hurt to say the least! Why didnt Nolan use something clever in that scene but instead went back to car crashing?

3) Batpod: All this hype, all this promotion for it, and we had already seen 95% of its screentime before watching the movie. The pod was mostly used as a means of transport and it didnt do anything special really. The production team was boasting in a magazine that they "dared shoot in a mall next to shop windows and people" and stuff. Yeah, big deal. Furthermore, the way it ejected for the batmobile was bad. The front axle transformed like a bay-former!!! It felt fake. And dont get me started on the wall u-turn. I facepalmed my skull to pieces over that!

4) How many times did Ledger lick his lips during the movie? My guess is 100000000 times. During the interrogation scene he did more lip sounds and lip licks than talking. It soon got irritating and became a cheap gimmick. Or maybe its a tick Ledger got with his insomnia and all.

5) The Joker felt awkward during the mob gathering. I didnt want a Ceasarean speech, but i expected an intimidating speech with lots of memorable phrases. Instead the joker was constantly moving on his chair not knowing what to say. He mostly said "look" and "em...."
Really awkward.

 

[Mr. Earle]

the fact that the Joker's make-up did not rot away all the way through like the filmmakershave said in interviews. Yeah... The Joker's make-up did wear off by the time we got to the interrogation scene... but once he got out, he re-applied it.

I think it would've been more sinister if his make-up continued to come off until the very end of the movie to the point where we see more of his face.

Well i dont think that it rotted. It mostly got smeared during his arrest. They producers were really hyping this stuff.

And what about the hype about Two-Face? We heard that they were shooting each scene twice and that they were going to do something innovative with his dual personality. IRL we got nothing of that. I dont mind the differences to the comics, but i do mind the false hype. Especially when said hype promises something revolutionary and interesting.

 

[Mr. Earle]

1) When Batman is standing on the Sears Towers listening to the radio frequences, there should have been more skyscrapers around to make for a better and not empty Gotham. It should also be a bit darker and he should be posing a bit better. Like a gargoyle or something with his cape billowing. Nolan just had him stand there holding his head.

6) Nolan wasnt really interested in iconic or epic shots. What i mean is that we never got Batman stand on a building with his cape billowing and a triumphant theme playing out loud. The only hair-standing, legendary moment was the ending really and Gordon's speech. In both films Nolan contributed a lot to Batman's mythos. He gave us many good moments. But he never really made us scream "**** YEAH" or make our hair stand up apart from both the endings.

Also, there werent any introductory aerial shots of Gotham before a scene either. Nolan didnt have time for all that. He had a massive story to tell which he didnt explain all that well either. He never left us a minute to relax and sink in the atmosphere. The movie never slowed down.

7) Gotham lacked any atmosphere. In BB the monorail, the CGI shots, the aerial views, the smoke clouds, etc gave it a nice feel. It felt realistic enough and atmospheric as well. Also, i didnt mind the elaborate monorail. It reminded me a lot of the STAS Metropolis but it was a good way of giving the city a comic book edge and style.

Now Gotham was empty, uncluttered, clean, realistic as if Chicago was Batman's city! And even though i have never been to America, i felt that some shots were from the suburbs. Like the hospital scene for example. Definitely not downtown.
Now, i dont want Burton's Gotham, but i dont want to see a gotham without skyscrapers, dirt and cluttering. Not only that, but by not giving us any familiar shots of the city, by removing (?) the monorail, by removing the yellow tint of BB, i felt no connection to it. I never felt like this was the same city, and worse, i didnt feel like this was Gotham, be it Nolan's or whatever. It felt like Heat with bats.

Also, the lack of aerial shots worsened our connection to the city. In BB we could get a sense of direction and location, but now, a car blows up. Where is this supposed to take place? I could get a grasp of the city in BB, but now we just got scenes in random places of it.


8) A movie without Akham and Bruce's parents. As i said before, Nolan had a huge story to tell, but he should have spent time on his parents. Just like he now didnt care about his urban myth status, he didnt care about his parents either because this movie focuses elsewhere. Its like making a superman movie without a reference to Krypton.
We should have gotten an iconic scene of him dressed as batman in front of the graves, or even a small reference to them of some kind. But as i said before, Nolan doesnt care for iconic shots and billowing capes.

 

[batman11]

6) Nolan wasnt really interested in iconic or epic shots. What i mean is that we never got Batman stand on a building with his cape billowing and a triumphant theme playing out loud. The only hair-standing, legendary moment was the ending really and Gordon's speech. In both films Nolan contributed a lot to Batman's mythos. He gave us many good moments. But he never really made us scream "**** YEAH" or make our hair stand up apart from both the endings.

Also, there werent any introductory aerial shots of Gotham before a scene either. Nolan didnt have time for all that. He had a massive story to tell which he didnt explain all that well either. He never left us a minute to relax and sink in the atmosphere. The movie never slowed down.

What do you mean us?

 

[Banquet]

What do you mean us?

I think he is mistaken. I said "**** YEAH!"

 

[Mr. Earle]

What do you mean us?

well, yeah, me...

Okay final point:

9) Nolan condones lies and spying if the situation calls for it? He condones goverments that lie to their people because they think they know better? He condones big brother and phone tapping if it means we get the terrorists? REALLY?
I liked the "batman is more than a hero, blah, blah, blah" concept, but i hate how it passes the wrong message. I screamed "**** YEAH" during the end about Batman's sacrifice and Gordon's speech, but the rest is just wrong.

 

[batman11]

well, yeah, me...

Okay final point:

9) Nolan condones lies and spying if the situation calls for it? He condones goverments that lie to their people because they think they know better? He condones big brother and phone tapping if it means we get the terrorists? REALLY?
I liked the "batman is more than a hero, blah, blah, blah" concept, but i hate how it passes the wrong message. I screamed "**** YEAH" during the end about Batman's sacrifice and Gordon's speech, but the rest is just wrong.

What gives you the idea Nolan condones it? Just because he wrote it into the movie doesn't necessarily mean he condones it. Personally, I just think Nolan wanted to tell, what to him would be, a fascinating story that made us take a look at our world today. I didn't really get any vibe that it was a personal message or feeling from the director. Sure the final montage may have felt as if Nolan was trying to "preach" what was right, but IMO, the montage wasn't tailored to Nolan stands for, but what the film itself stands for.

Just my 2 cents.

 

[Mr. Earle]

What gives you the idea Nolan condones it? Just because he wrote it into the movie doesn't necessarily mean he condones it. Personally, I just think Nolan wanted to tell, what to him would be, a fascinating story that made us take a look at our world today. I didn't really get any vibe that it was a personal message or feeling from the director. Sure the final montage may have felt as if Nolan was trying to "preach" what was right, but IMO, the montage wasn't tailored to Nolan stands for, but what the film itself stands for.

Just my 2 cents.

I dont care what Nolan believes, but if he turns Batman into Bush, then he should gtho my batman.

 

[Microchip]

It ended.

Exactly!

 

[batman11]

I dont care what Nolan believes, but if he turns Batman into Bush, then he should gtho my batman.

If you don't care what he believes, then doesn't that sort of contradict your whole disappointment that Nolan condones such behavior? Sorry, I may be reading you wrong. This is the internet after all, LOL, sometimes it's hard to gauge how or what people are trying to say.

 

[Anita18]

I dont care what Nolan believes, but if he turns Batman into Bush, then he should gtho my batman.

Batman can never turn into Bush. Batman was not elected to uphold any laws, Bush was.

And even when Batman gains a dangerous amount of power, he's ready and willing to give it up when the crisis is over. Bush has not promised any of that.

But the fact that Bush is supposed to follow the law and Batman is not required to makes the whole Bush-is-like-Batman-which-shows-he's-heroic argument moot.

 

[scatterax]

i know. i was hoping 4 atleast an hour more. to me it only felt like an hour and a half.

 

[SuperZer0]

This has nothing to do with the movie, but when looking back, I am disappointment that during the productions of both BB and TDK, some elements of the film were leaked by supposedly someone connected to the production. For BB, it was the script (yikes!). For TDK, it was several pictures, for example the picture of the fake batman holding a gun and the pre-production pic of Two-Face among other pictures. I'm sure Nolan didn't like that and felt betrayed, whether it was accidental or not. For me, that was a huge annoyance.

 

[BubbaGump]

But as i said before, Nolan doesnt care for iconic shots and billowing capes.

Because iconic shots + billowing capes >>>> story and characterization. If you want a fanboy director, ask for Zack Snyder.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Well what i meant is that i care what message the movie is sending, not Nolan's personal views. Just the movie's message. And i didnt like the "sometimes its necessary to lie" message.

This has nothing to do with the movie, but when looking back, I am disappointment that during the productions of both BB and TDK, some elements of the film were leaked by supposedly someone connected to the production. For BB, it was the script (yikes!). For TDK, it was several pictures, for example the picture of the fake batman holding a gun and the pre-production pic of Two-Face among other pictures. I'm sure Nolan didn't like that and felt betrayed, whether it was accidental or not. For me, that was a huge annoyance.

Seconded. I went to see BB knowing nothing about it but with TDK, i knew too much! I just couldnt hold it! I imagine that the fake Batman would have been a nice surprise if i hadnt known about them beforehand.

 

[Mr. Earle]

Because iconic shots + billowing capes >>>> story and characterization. If you want a fanboy director, ask for Zack Snyder.

I never said that. But i think that since Nolan is making a comic book movie, some heroic poses of batman wouldnt hurt. In fact they are obligatory!

I remember some poses like that that were used for the BB DVD menu while Nolan cut them out of the movie. I mean....seriously now....

 

[JokerLedger]

Well i dont think that it rotted. It mostly got smeared during his arrest. They producers were really hyping this stuff.

And what about the hype about Two-Face? We heard that they were shooting each scene twice and that they were going to do something innovative with his dual personality. IRL we got nothing of that. I dont mind the differences to the comics, but i do mind the false hype. Especially when said hype promises something revolutionary and interesting.

rotting as in wearing off. Wasn't meant to be literal