The Dark Knight Biggest Disappointment

[Harrygucha]

I can't even believe that Nolan would do such a thing when it comes to the batpod up the wall. Because in the script and storyboards they just have the bat-pod turning. And Batman watches the truck flip. It is really pimp. I can't believe aomebody came up with the idea of flipping the batpod up a wall - i will kill that person.

 

[Harrygucha]

Is that the reason why you post it multiple times in threads here (some of which don't pertain to your disappointment), even if you have to bring up the topic yourself?

All i'm saying is - read the storyboards and script, and you'll be just as annoyed as me. The batpod flip was unnecessary and just STUPID looking. It could have been cooler if they just did what was in the script.

 

[JaD]

Ooookkk we get it. You hated the batpod flip. No need to keep dragging it out. There's only a minority of people on here who were really that annoyed by it.

 

[El Payaso]

All i'm saying is - read the storyboards and script, and you'll be just as annoyed as me. The batpod flip was unnecessary and just STUPID looking. It could have been cooler if they just did what was in the script.

It's kinda what your Nolan/Schumacher post is for us.

 

[batman11]

All i'm saying is - read the storyboards and script, and you'll be just as annoyed as me. The batpod flip was unnecessary and just STUPID looking. It could have been cooler if they just did what was in the script.

I've read them multiple times.

What's your point? We get that you think it's stupid. We got that since your first post about it, yet you've continued to rant on about it. I bet if I checked out your hundred most recent posts you have, a good 80% would be something critical, namely in regards to the same topic of the batpod flip (which, in your opinion, is one of the reasons the movie was only good and not perfect).

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HARRYGUCHA
The flip is so stupid! I've never seen anything worse in my life! Worst moment in cinematic history EVERZZ!!!!11111!!!

SHHers
We get it.

Case closed.

 

[CaptainClown]

more or less. I hated the lenses, but I hardly complain about it every one of my posts.

 

[JaD]

Ha, I have a cap of the sonar lenses I hope you saw it on the other forum CC Just too much.

 

[CaptainClown]

nah I haven't seen it. I haven't been on that one lately. school taking up my time. I defiantly have to check it out.

 

[JaD]

It's in the TDK "What worked for you" thread, I think it's special

 

[Bat-Mite]

Another problem is that there is no explaination about Gordons death. We don't why he did it, he claims it was to protect his family but The Joker had made no attempt or threat on anybodies famillies, or how he did it. The scene is bascially this, "Jim, I thought you died." "Nope"

Considering that the Commissioner of police died by drinking acid, and Gordon was next in line for the job, I don't think it's that unreasonable for him to have come to the conclusion that he'd be in great danger, and therefore so would his family (imagine if the Joker decided to bomb his house, for example).

Also, you seem to be really bitter about Nolan's success. Has he personally wronged you in some way? I can understand if TDK isn't your cup of tea, but wow.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

Considering that the Commissioner of police died by drinking acid, and Gordon was next in line for the job, I don't think it's that unreasonable for him to have come to the conclusion that he'd be in great danger, and therefore so would his family (imagine if the Joker decided to bomb his house, for example).

So should the next in line after him fake his death as well?

It still doesn't explain how he did it.

Also, you seem to be really bitter about Nolan's success. Has he personally wronged you in some way? I can understand if TDK isn't your cup of tea, but wow.

What? How am i bitter? Have I personally attacked Nolan in anyway, or even people who like this movie? I've come to The Dark Knight discussion board to discuss The Dark Knight. And part of a discussion involves its flaws.

 

[CaptainClown]

JaD I just cracked up looking at all the caps you have. From ORlY guy to Rachels Stunt double. The coolest one was the one about Joker stabbing the two body guards. I didn't see that.

 

[JaD]

JaD I just cracked up looking at all the caps you have. From ORlY guy to Rachels Stunt double. The coolest one was the one about Joker stabbing the two body guards. I didn't see that.

Haha yeah, I can't wait to post them up on here when their allowed I gotta keep some of my discoveries on the down low though too *cough*interogation scene blooper* Haha

*And yeah, that Joker stabbing the bodyguards, I did not see that in theaters, holy crap

 

[CaptainClown]

Ya I saw the Interrogation scene blooper and it made me sad.

I really want an ORLY guy avvy. oh and also that smiley face that Joker gives to the detective.

 

[Bat-Mite]

What? How am i bitter? Have I personally attacked Nolan in anyway, or even people who like this movie? I've come to The Dark Knight discussion board to discuss The Dark Knight. And part of a discussion involves its flaws.

I meant stuff like this. I dunno, maybe that was meant as a joke or something, but it just seems like you're angry at all the critical acclaim Nolan and TDK have received.

 

[Jack O Lantern]

No I was annoyed at the fans of TDK who felt it necessary to go into other boards and mock other movies compared to TDK. They conviently forget the fantastic reviews that Spider-Man 2 got, they talk about Superman movies never reaching the level of emotion that TDK did. I couldn't care less about the acclaim that Nolan has gotten, or Batman for that matter. I just don't want to go into a Spider-Man and Superman boards and read a long discussion about TDK.

Of course all you would have to do is read through that thread to see that.

Not disagreeing with your stance but I'm pretty sure that the Usual Suspects was shown at Sundance before Dogman 95. Anyway I'm not sure what the Dogme 95 movement really brought, There rules seem to be pretty basic, pointless and nesscary for any Independment movie.

I didn't start this thread to bash Nolan. Truth is, I've only seen his Batman films [both I felt were really over-rated] so I can't really judge his talent fairly. This thread is directed at the Nolan lovers, who have build him up to God like status. I would love to buy him for what's he's worth and sell him for what his fans think he's worth.

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Ya I saw the Interrogation scene blooper and it made me sad.

I really want an ORLY guy avvy. oh and also that smiley face that Joker gives to the detective.

What is it, if you don't mind my asking?

 

[CaptainClown]

What is it, if you don't mind my asking?

Spoiler

You can see the camera crew

 

[JaD]

Spoiler

You can see the camera crew

Dammit, you son-of-a...

 

[TheDarkKnight08]

Spoiler

You can see the camera crew

Thanks, I guess. :P

 

[BatJeff7786]

Nolan is great...but i'm better. You'll hear of me soon enough.

Don't take the Michael Bay attitude. Just make the best films you can. We'll judge whether you're good or not.

 

[CaptainClown]

Don't take the Michael Bay attitude. Just make the best films you can. We'll judge whether you're good or not.

Michael Bay has made more movies then he has seen.

 

[Two-Face=Badass]

Agreed. I hope Nolan watches the Watchmen grin and realises that atmosphere isnt a bad thing when done right. I dont want him to do a jerk reaction and give us the exact opposite of his realism, but some BB aura would be nice to see in the sequel again. We never got to see batman in a classic gritty Gotham neighbourhood (like the Narrows in BB) or jump from dirty rooftop to another.

Exactly, The Batman Begins atmosphere was fine, even if I'd like a tiny bit more Gotham atmosphere the Narrows more than made up for that. Then TDK is just too much for me, the fact that it is about the freaks taking over and making things worse meant it would've been better if the atmosphere was darker. Not a huge problem for me, just a gripe.

Well it served as a way for batman to take the fall and all (that wouldnt be possible if dent was alive) and justify the title "dark knight", so i accepted that. I however couldnt accept the controversial way in which he died. And dont get me started about the dead ninjas in BB. Your one rule Bruce?

Definitely, you can't excuse it. It wasn't "Necessary!" or "A casualty!" Batman killed him. Which works in the confines of this Bat universe but totally maims the point that Batman is incorruptible that the whole film was building towards. Then he kills a guy. And not just indirectly.

Two Face=Badass
I don't agree with the criticism about Jokers plan being to contrived. Joker is known for his elaborate and ridiculous schemes, infact I think that is one of the main definitions of his character.

Yes, I know that, I read the comics and he sometimes has far more contrived plans. But the difference is that those ones don't require massive leaps of logic and guessing. Seriously, the Joker would never be able to know how fast Batman or the cops could get to the two locations to save Dent and Rachel, so everything he does is based on huge estimation. He somehow psychically knows that Batman will reach him just in time, but not the cops. And also his escape plan from the prison was based entirely around being able to tussle a guard, when he never knew what would happen. I just wish it was more like "The Laughing Fish" scenario where Joker wins a lot yes, but wins in a way thats works.

Joker not laughing?

http://ie.youtube.com/watch?v=ByPjPF57Khs

I never said he didn't laugh, don't twist my words, that reeks of poor argument. I'm just saying he should've been a bit more like the comics Joker and laughed a bit more, or told a joke, or not looked so serious all the time. The end was the best part with that huge laugh, but he still should've been a bit more gleeful really.

Again, loved the movie, but it ain't perfect. I'm ready to take all arguments, because I know having a couple of gripes with the movie is a big sin on this board for some reason.

 

[Bat-Mite]

I never said he didn't laugh, don't twist my words, that reeks of poor argument. I'm just saying he should've been a bit more like the comics Joker and laughed a bit more, or told a joke, or not looked so serious all the time. The end was the best part with that huge laugh, but he still should've been a bit more gleeful really.

The laughter of the Joker in the comics depends on who's writing him. Sometimes he doesn't laugh all that much, sometimes not at all. For the amount of screen time he had (which wasn't that much when compared to Batman '89, for instance), I thought he laughed and smiled quite a lot.

As for jokes? The pencil trick, "Gambol here won't be able to get a nickel for his grandma.", 'You think you can just steal from us and get away with it?' 'Yeah.' "Let's not bloooow things out or proportion." "Here's my card." And then there's the way he goofs off at the party, smacking people upside the head when asking where Harvey is and stealing someone's champagne only to dump it out and pretend to drink it. And 'Let her go.' 'Very poor choice of words. HAHAHAHA!' And there's the whole nurse Joker routine and the way he grimaces and goes "Hiiiiiiii..." when looking at Harvey. I could go on and on. But if anyone believes this Joker was lacking in jokes, they just weren't paying attention to the movie, IMO.

Oh, and considering that this movie was based on Batman #1 and TKJ, he laughed quite a bit. I think the Joker laughs maybe.. twice in his first appearance. While I haven't read the Killing Joke in a while, I don't remember him laughing much in it at all except for at the ending and when he has Gordon on the roller coaster.

Again, loved the movie, but it ain't perfect. I'm ready to take all arguments, because I know having a couple of gripes with the movie is a big sin on this board for some reason.

I don't think it's the gripes that bother folks so much as the nitpicking and making mountains out of mole hills. Even though I gave this movie a 10/10, I readily acknowledge that it has flaws (the new bat suit and Bale's bat voice to name a couple of biggies). I just gave it that rating based on how much it entertained me. But when folks start comparing it to Batman Forever just because they didn't like one of the stunts, that's a bit ridiculous.

 

[The Joker]

I never said he didn't laugh, don't twist my words, that reeks of poor argument.

I didn't twist your words. You said

Joker not laughing or atleast smiling enough.

What was your problem then? That he didn't laugh, or that that he didn't smile enough? Because those were your two complaints there.