Birds of Prey General Discussion and Speculation

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  1. The Guard Registered

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    Not only is this tonedeaf, but...come on. Margot Robbie as Harley Quinn in form fitting gold leggings and/or conveniently unzipped top/bared midriff, short shorts and tube top? Black Canary with the low cut/pushup thing going on, conveniently bared midriff and form fitting leggings? Huntress with an outfit calculated to conveniently bare her midriff (There's so much strategic midriff-baring it feels like it might be a running gag in the movie, even Montoya's in on it).

    Tonedeaf AND blind.
     
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  2. Fincher Coming Undone

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    It's definitely sexual. Whether it's sexy is going to depend on the observer, and I think he made a mistake in assuming his reaction was universal among men.

    In my opinion, Black Canary's look (not the actress, the clothes/hair/nose ring) is too unappealing to be sexy, or anything else, really. I think she might have the worst costume design I've seen in a superhero movie. Harley and Helena fare better for me, but I will say toward his point that I find the movie's aesthetic unsexy. I mean, it's not something that I thought about before he brought it up, and it's not like this is a porno, but there it is.

    Female comic book characters can be sexualized, and that can cause them to be associated with sexiness (Catwoman would be a prime example). I do see Black Canary as a sexy character, and so that's one of the ways that her look doesn't match up with my idea of her. That said, it certainly sounds like he's saying that guys won't watch a female led movie if it isn't sexy, and that isn't how I look at things. For me, it's like, does Black Canary look like Black Canary, no, do Harley Quinn and Huntress look like Harley Quinn and Huntress, more or less, and that's pretty much it.
     
  3. terry78 He will eat YOU... if you are wrong

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    Basically they toned them down like they did with the new She-Ra cartoon.
     
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    Margot always looked a bit older than her age, but I think her looks have caught up with her age now. And I say this in a positive way. I mean, she and Emma Roberts are the same age, but Emma still looks out of highschool.
     
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  5. Micromind New World New Rules

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    But same guys will (most probably) go to see Black Widow movie, and BW's costume is not designed to look sexy either.

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    Compare it with how BW looked in her first appearance. The point is, that's a ridiculous argument to not watch a movie.

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  6. terry78 He will eat YOU... if you are wrong

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    lol that hair tho
     
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  7. Fincher Coming Undone

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    I mean, I would still watch the Black Widow movie if she looked like that, even if I wouldn't be happy about the look, but in the Black Widow movie's defense that not sexy look is her Infinity War not sexy look. I think she looks very attractive in Black Widow, just not in a revealing/showy way.
     
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    They didn’t really tone them down, they just weren’t designed/pushed in a direction from a male perspective. Harley’s butt was hanging out of her pants in Suicide Squad. She’s still wearing short jean cutoffs but with some practicality to them.

    But it kind of is. What’s the reasoning for her zipper always being down? Especially when she has TWO down in IW. If you were actually going into battle, that’d be zipped all the way up. They do it in the concept art but then it always goes back to being zipped down or designed to have that be the highest the zipper goes. Just look at the Endgame concepts...

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    It’s just always funny that a woman in a catsuit isn’t in “hot” enough. Having it unzipped all the time is just a bit over the top, especially for what most heroes/villains have to do in those outfits.
     
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  9. TheGuy Dwelling under the Batcave

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    Harley is hot, Black Canary is hot, Huntress is okay. Nuff said.
     
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    Eugh, a bit disappointing that this is the conversation.
     
  11. pixen Registered

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    It’s the calm before the storm. Social media embargo lifts on Wednesday...
     
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  13. TheGuy Dwelling under the Batcave

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    ‘Birds of Prey’ Director Cathy Yan Reveals the Crucial Advice Patty Jenkins Gave Her

     
  14. Catoti Eternally Tired

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    Ok, but the only thing I care about this movie is the hyena.
     
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  15. Catoti Eternally Tired

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    Male perspective? What do you mean?
     
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    It’s subtle stuff but it’s just how she was treated in the Suicide Squad. I get that people assume that Harley wants to wear crazy things but the short shorts she had to wear the entire film were clearly picked to be eye candy for the men in the audience. Birds of Prey allows her to keep that vibe but without being uncomfortable while fighting/doing things. I wouldn’t complain if the situation was equal though and the male hero’s were also put in the same situations but they aren’t (they do go shirtless but is that even the same thing? Nah)

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  17. terry78 He will eat YOU... if you are wrong

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    Yeah she was always meant to be eye candy until they gave her more development.
     
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    Yeah, which is what I appreciate about BOP. Female characters need to be more than just “eye candy”.
     
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    I'm not really sure how Harley was just eye candy in Suicide Squad. I mean if she were fully dressed and played by someone less attractive, I wouldn't be confused as to what her purpose was. She was one of the principal players in the movie.

    Well, no, it's not the same, because women don't go around topless in superhero movies. It's one aspect of our culture that leads to women getting something that men don't get.

    The way I mostly look at "should" or "shouldn't" is that studios can make whatever they want, and people can not watch it or not like it if they want, and to that end I generally concern myself with expressing my own opinion. If movies are going to be equal in extolling eye candy, though, I think it's important to keep in mind that women as a group and men as a group don't necessarily want the same things. If I think Black Canary looks good in a leotard and fishnets, does that mean women want to see Jason Mamoa in a leotard and fishnets? I'm guessing probably not. I mean, if I hear something to the contrary I'll take that into account, but for all I know the way to give them more male eye candy could be to put the superheroes in tuxedos and have them hold puppies.
     
  20. TheGuy Dwelling under the Batcave

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    Whatever Harley wears, she'll always look great, Margot Robbie or not. It's inherent to the character. I also don't understand the complain of inaccurate costumes. Harley is exactly the type of character that bends stylistic choices and not be rigidly defined by a single set of preferred personal expression.
     
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    Jason Momoa in a leotard and fishnets sounds like a good Idea to me.
     
  22. Fincher Coming Undone

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    I don't really understand. Like, if Harley was played by Rebel Wilson and wore trash bags, she would look good?
     
  23. TheGuy Dwelling under the Batcave

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    Rebel Wilson can't play Harley. A trash bag costume would look bad on anyone (duh).
     
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  24. Micromind New World New Rules

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    Whether it's male or female, protagonists in cbm's are rarely unattractive, so the question of casting Rebel Wilson as Catwoman (and I'm not talking about her part in Cats movie, lol) does not make sense.

    Having said that, Harley's costume in comics and in Arkham games is fairly attractive without looking too cheap.

    There's a difference between making a female character look attractive and making her look overly sexy and cheap. Case in point how Anne Hathaway's Catwoman looked and how Halle Berry's Catwoman looked. (or how Black Widow looked in Avengers)

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    I was just trying to understand what TheGuy meant.

    I love Harley's Arkham City costume. Putting aside matters of equality and just looking at what works for me, personally...well, to start with, I don't see sexy and revealing as the same thing. There's a relationship there, but there's more to it than that. I think Wonder Woman's costume is flattering and a really good costume, and I think Halle Berry's Catwoman outfit is tacky and not actually hot because it just does it wrong. Harley in Suicide Squad fell somewhere in between. It's not really my idea of a Harley Quinn costume, and I don't like it as much as I do her Arkham City or Arkham Knight looks (Asylum goes square in the tacky pile), but I think it exhibits generally good design. It doesn't bother me any. With Birds of Prey she's getting further away from the harlequin motif and my idea of how she should look, but it's still fine. At least she has the bunches in her hair, and the all over the place thing they're doing with her look is fun and all, so I'm not hung up on it or anything. I'm sure they could design a harlequin-themed “swimsuit” that would fit right into my conception of a Harley costume, and I'm sure they could make a full suit that does as well.

    That's Harley, though. What I want depends on the character. My ideal version of Black Canary would wear the leotard and fishnets, at least some of the time (I also like her early Birds of Prey outfit). Conversely, I like Black Widow to wear a (generally black) catsuit, because that's her look. Her wearing a leotard wouldn't even fit with her spy attitude. I prefer Catwoman in a black or maybe very dark purple catsuit. Melissa Benoist's Supergirl costume with the skirt will most likely never be improved upon for me. I'm fine with Aquaman going around shirtless, but I wouldn't want shirtless Batman or Superman. Huntress showing her midriff is fine, but I'd gladly trade it in for a better adaptation of her comic book look.
     
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