Body of Lies (Ridley Scott/DiCaprio/Crowe)

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't get the point of your smiley, but if you don't think a film starring Leo, where it seems every third shot is him or someone else stressing out on a cell phone isn't going to recall The Departed I don't know what to tell ya.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I still don't see how you think The Departed and this look the same. The Departed = mobsters, Boston, cops. This film = war, various locations, CIA.
Completely different concepts.

 

[Doctor Jones]

Yes it does. When half the film is spent talking on a phone, that is exactly what it is going to look like. Not to mention how American Gangster was marketed.

And while I enjoy Scott's work, he is hit or miss. Full version of Kingdom of Heaven was the best thing he had made since Blade Runner.

How do you know in half the film they are talking on phones? You've seen the movie?

 

[Hunter Rider]

I don't get the point of your smiley, but if you don't think a film starring Leo, where it seems every third shot is him or someone else stressing out on a cell phone isn't going to recall The Departed I don't know what to tell ya.

My smiley covered all the post but being on a phone in a stressful situation would only remind me of the Departed if i ignored the totally different dynamic and context, not to mention the totally different stories and settings with completely different themes and character motivations.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I still don't see how you think The Departed and this look the same. The Departed = mobsters, Boston, cops. This film = war, various locations, CIA.
Completely different concepts.

The CIA is has been written like the big business mob for 40 years now. Setting and character's "jobs" are superficial. It is still a game of cat and mouse. It is still the tale of an "inside man". It is still based around cell phone word games.

My smiley covered all the post but being on a phone in a stressful situation would only remind me of the Departed if i ignored the totally different dynamic and context, not to mention the totally different stories and settings with completely different themes and character motivations.

Get the baddy and a power trip are different motivates then the Departed?

 

[Hunter Rider]

Get the baddy and a power trip are different motivates then the Departed?

Those aren't the motives though, that's just a simplistic tag you could put on a 100 movies.... in Body of Lies Leo is uncertain who the bad guy is and Russel Crowe's character clearly plays a political game for his own preservation, The Departed starts out as a story about undercover work and transcends into a game of cat and mouse where ppl lose sight of their own identity....i mean you are just ignoring context and story in favour of shallow studio pitch terminology.

 

[Doctor Jones]

The CIA is has been written like the big business mob for 40 years now. Setting and character's "jobs" are superficial. It is still a game of cat and mouse. It is still the tale of an "inside man". It is still based around cell phone word games.



Get the baddy and a power trip are different motivates then the Departed?

Are you comparing the mob to the CIA? Alot of stuff is based around cell phones. Most films today have them you know.

 

[Doctor Jones]

And besides, you haven't seen the film. If it is like you say it is, then you were right. But if it isn't, I still have a feeling you're still going to compare the two. The only thing that is the same is Leo.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Those aren't the motives though, that's just a simplistic tag you could put on a 100 movies.... in Body of Lies Leo is uncertain who the bad guy is and Russel Crowe's character clearly plays a political game for his own preservation, The Departed starts out as a story about undercover work and transcends into a game of cat and mouse where ppl lose sight of their own identity....i mean you are just ignoring context and story in favour of shallow studio pitch terminology.

The problem is that is how the studio are pitching it, which was my point in the first place. From the trailers, that is exactly what it looks like to me.

Now I could go on about how Leo's character in The Departed spent the last hour unaware of who to trust and how it pretty much covers the character you described from Body of Lies. Perhaps even that your description of Crowe's character sounds quite a bit like Jack's.

However i will agree that I am selling it short. Problem is so are the studio.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The problem is that is how the studio are pitching it, which was my point in the first place. From the trailers, that is exactly what it looks like to me.

Now I could go on about how Leo's character in The Departed spent the last hour unaware of who to trust and how it pretty much covers the character you described from Body of Lies. Perhaps even that your description of Crowe's character sounds quite a bit like Jack's.

However i will agree that I am selling it short. Problem is so are the studio.

I don't see that in the trailers at all, b/c there is so much more overall in there than you are making out.

No it doesn't, Leo never didn't trust Sheen and Wahlberg, he was just getting more and more scared b/c he felt the net was closing in on him and realized there was a mole in the department, also in Body of Lies Leo's character questions his assignment and tactics and if he's really doing what is right, in The Departed he never doubts he is right, he is just terrified that he is gonna be killed.
Jack in The Departed was playing both sides where as Crowe is not, he's a patriot with his ideas on how the US should be protected and is unscrupulous in how he goes about that.

In a 2:30 trailer i think they have sold it fine as an action packed politically charged thriller with 2 awesome lead actors.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You have a weird definition of the word patriot.

Also from the trailer it does not seem that Leo's character reports to Crowe, at least he doesn't at first.

 

[Hunter Rider]

You have a weird definition of the word patriot.

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I don't see how, A Patriot is someone that loves and will stand up for their country at all costs, how they go about that is irrelevant to the word, Patriot isn't defined as good or bad.

 

[Dark Donnie]

You have a weird definition of the word patriot.

Also from the trailer it does not seem that Leo's character reports to Crowe, at least he doesn't at first.

Leo says in the trailer something like "He(Crowe) doesn't know anything until he gets his information from me(leo)." Sounds like he reports to Crowe to me.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

I don't see how, A Patriot is someone that loves and will stand up for their country at all costs, how they go about that is irrelevant to the word, Patriot isn't defined as good or bad.

If you go against the basic principles of your country, your aren't being patriotic.

Leo says in the trailer something like "He(Crowe) doesn't know anything until he gets his information from me(leo)." Sounds like he reports to Crowe to me.

Which makes it sound like he gets moved for some reason or another.

 

[Doctor Jones]

You have a weird definition of the word patriot.

Also from the trailer it does not seem that Leo's character reports to Crowe, at least he doesn't at first.

First your saying they spend half the movie on the phone, then your saying Leo doesn't communicate with Crowe at first?

 

[Hunter Rider]

If you go against the basic principles of your country, your aren't being patriotic.

Those principles are a fairytale when dealing with brutal reality so they cannot be applied to war time patriotism.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Those principles are a fairytale when dealing with brutal reality so they cannot be applied to war time patriotism.

Which is the tale of our land. Those claiming one thing, while doing another.

 

[Doctor Jones]

If you go against the basic principles of your country, your aren't being patriotic.



Which makes it sound like he gets moved for some reason or another.

You're running out of things to say. "For some reason." What reason is that? I thought you knew because it seems like you've seen the movie from you saying they spend half the time on the phone.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Which is the tale of our land. Those claiming one thing, while doing another.

Nothing is black and white when it comes to war and life and death situations.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

First your saying they spend half the movie on the phone, then your saying Leo doesn't communicate with Crowe at first?

I took it as Leo is working the field and gets set up with a different contact early on. He seems to already be in the field when the film starts, yet I got a vibe of the pair meeting during the film.

You're running out of things to say. "For some reason." What reason is that? I thought you knew because it seems like you've seen the movie from you saying they spend half the time on the phone.

Wow way to overdo it. Perhaps if you understood that I was commenting on the marketing from my viewpoint your post wouldn't be so off base. Though I do like the idea that Leo's character only communicates with one other character the entire film. Wonder how they are going to shoot scenes without him talking to anyone else.

 

[Dark Donnie]

I took it as Leo is working the field and gets set up with a different contact early on. He seems to already be in the field when the film starts, yet I got a vibe of the pair meeting during the film.



Wow way to overdo it. Perhaps if you understood that I was commenting on the marketing from my viewpoint your post wouldn't be so off base.

Leo kicks Russell out of a chair in one scene.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

Leo kicks Russell out of a chair in one scene.

Not what I meant. That is in the trailer. What I meant was their first introduction to one another (in person or otherwise) occurs near the beginning of the film.

Nothing is black and white when it comes to war and life and death situations.

The only one in a life and death situation is Leo's character. Crowe is laughing at his plight.

 

[Hunter Rider]

Wow way to overdo it. Perhaps if you understood that I was commenting on the marketing from my viewpoint your post wouldn't be so off base. Though I do like the idea that Leo's character only communicates with one other character the entire film. Wonder how they are going to shoot scenes without him talking to anyone else.

You can see in the trailer that he's caught and tortured at one point and interacts with someone on the inside.

 

[Hunter Rider]

The only one in a life and death situation is Leo's character. Crowe is laughing at his plight.

Leo is chasing someone that deals in death, in the trailer you see a number of bombs go off in various places, Crowe is in charge of making the plays that will stop more going off and setting up the chance to catch the man behind the bombs.

 

[DarthSkywalker]

You can see in the trailer that he's caught and tortured at one point and interacts with someone on the inside.

I was being sarcastic. I am pretty sure you were to.