Bone claws!?

[Asteroid-Man]

YES! We're getting bone claws! There has been footage of a young wolverine revealed (pre-weapon X) where he has his claws!!!

 

[Ziggyman]

YES! We're getting bone claws! There has been footage of a young wolverine revealed (pre-weapon X) where he has his claws!!!

Woah...Really? That's crazy! Is this coming from Comic-Con?

 

[Asteroid-Man]

Yeah:
http://forums.superherohype.com/showthread.php?t=308232

 

[MovieGeekFreak]

YES! We're getting bone claws! There has been footage of a young wolverine revealed (pre-weapon X) where he has his claws!!!

thats awesome, but in all the 3 pics of wolverine hes got the metal claws

 

[Asteroid-Man]

That's because they are all after/during weapon X. Actually, the first one that was released a long time ago has the claws rounded off and they don't look normal. Those could be bone claws. Anyways, all I know is that the bone claws are in and it's been reported by multiple sites who SAW THE VIDEO CLIP with their own eyes and posted online that THERE ARE BONE CLAWS IN THE MOVIE.

 

[Superhero 101]

That is gonna be so cool!! I hope they make thema little rusty like show some damage on them like this

 

[storyteller]

Whether you like it or not,

Origins and Bone claws are continuity until its retconned. When comic book characters are made, they creators dont know that the character will be around for decades. They dont know that theyll have 50 books about that one character.

So in order to add something new, they introduce new elements to the character.

Wolverine has bone claws in the comics that were covered by metal. The events of origin are canon. They arent altered in any way. Wolverine is James Howlett.

Movie wise. Wolverine is James Howlett and has bone claws that are covered with metal.


Also the comic books gave a reason why wolverines body doesnt reject the metal. It has something to do with how it was pumped into him since the metal was not PURE Adamantium. It was a variation that chemically changed into the real thing once inside wolverine. If anyone wants to correct this please do.

But the other stuff is fact. You dont like the origin wolverine was given, tough luck. Denile is just a river in egypt.......

 

[Beanjuice]

I hope they arent like blades made of bone, i wanna see some girth and detail to them like the pic above

 

[Beanjuice]

Infinity, if it appears that I'm rambling, then I probably am - but bear with me...

I don't know if you read Spider-Man, but the origin of Spider-Man is universally known so I'm hoping this will make sense regardless. A few years ago, a writer called Straczynski took over AMAZING SPIDER-MAN and started introducing new elements and characters. One of these characters was Ezekiel, who posed the question to Spider-Man: "Did the radiation enable the spider to give you these powers? Or was the spider trying to give you those powers before the radiation killed it?"

With Spider-Man, we all know the major theme is "With great power comes great responsibility", not "Guy gets randomly bit by spider". But to me, the potential storyline that the spider was seeking out Peter Parker would have hurt the mythos of Spider-Man. Now that doesn't change "With great power comes great responsibility", but the old storyline (IMO) is simply better the way it was.

Another theory he had was that the animalistic foes Spidey battles - Rhino, Doc Ock, the Vulture are totems for these animals and this is why they hate Spider-Man. Onca again this doesn't change "With great power comes great responsibility", but (for me anyway), it would have hurt the character.

I think it's a good analogy, as this is the way I feel the bone claws impact negatively on the character. But it's all opinion; I don't look down on anyone for enjoying the bone claws retcon - ORIGIN was well-told, as was FATAL ATTRACTIONS - and I hope it's the same for that crowd who see that I prefer the story line as it was.

Well wolverines origin was never really explained that well to begin with. he was just...there. And down the road they began going back and tracing his history,so i see no problem with the bone claw background. To me it wold make much more sense having them already be part of his anatomy before the adamantium process. Bonding someones bones with metal then spontaneously claws protrude from their hands doenst work well with me. But having them preset and then coated with the metal? much better to understand

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

Denile is just a river in egypt.......

"Denile" is not a river... It's not even a word.

 

[KillerBob]

Either way, IN THE MOVIE (since this is a movie forum) and also many of the comic book depictions (not including his original appearances) bone claws won't work due to the fact that Hugh Jackman's claws are too slender to house bones.

This issue was explained away in X-23'S first mini-series:

As I've said many times before: They were filed down.

^^^ C'mon, man. That's just too much. I say just forget it (of course, my opinion is biased 'cause I'm an old-schooler and I absolutely hate the idea that they gave Wolverine natural claws and now he has, like, 20 super-powers)

Wolverine's claws are really only his second superpower. All his enhanced strength/speed/reflexes/agility/hyper senses/etc are bi-products of his Healing Factor.

^^^ Yeah... that's another thing... he's growin back amputated limbs and stuff... that's rediculous...

No worse than Deadpool growing back from a puddle of goo, or when the Hulk healed from a skeleton way back when. It's just Marvel keeping Wolverine even keel with the other top healers, as he's supposed to be. So I hope you hate all healers equally as it makes no sense to only hate Wolverine when ALL superheroes are getting power-ups. If you're going to hate on superheroes for becoming more powerful then you really can't read any comics these days, as even normal human characters can pull off feats superhumans can't.

those have to be some of the stupidest things i've ever seen.

Well then maybe you're just stupid for denying what is and for many years has been a well established fact about the character...

 

[KillerBob]

Wolverine used to be my 2nd favorite character after spidey, but now im starting to despise him with all this ridiculous crap hes all of a sudden capable of. he beat Hercules? ridiculous, same with Hulk.

Wolverine taking on super-bricks is a cornerstone of the character's design. It is what he was created for and what he's been doing ever since. You may be in denial for some strange reason, but it is a fact that Wolverine has taken down the Hulk, Namor, Thing, Wendigo, Hercules, etc. They may be strong, but they're not adamantium and for the most part they lack Wolverine's level of speed and skill. For Someone that used to be one of your favorite characters you really dont know much about him:

 

[KillerBob]

Wolvie shouldnt even stand a chance against Spidey yet somehow he can take on Herc and Hulk.

Spidey isn't anything special to Wolverine:

 

[KillerBob]

Spider-Man would kick Logan's ass.

And then get decapitated:

y wouldnt you be able to knock his head off? the ligiments and such attaching his bones to one another arent made of adamantium, cuz well he wouldnt be able to move if they were

Who cares how it's possible, it can't happen, at least not to 616 Logan.

If Hulk can't punch his head off no one can. Wolverine has been hit by planes going full speed and punched off planets. Normal people would explode with arms and legs ripping off from such impacts. Wolverine's bones can't be seperated in the Marvel U proper. I've seen diagrms of Sabretooth before that pointed out adamantium couplers in his wrists. There are ways to reinforce joints with adamantium yet retain mobility.

i cannot read the wolverine anymore. whedon writes him right. first guy to do that in a long time.

Whedon uses Wolverine for comedy relief. AKA his Wolverine aint that great either. He writes him like Homer Simpson with claws. Mmmmmm Beeeer... Pathetic. Best Wolverine writer in a long time is Jason Aaron. Frank Tieri was OK too. Bendis, Millar, and a lot of other current guys suck with the character and do not have any kind of a feel for his personality. They use him like a punching bag or mutant wallpaper to sell their books. Millar in particular is pretty ignorant about the character.

from flashbacks we've seen him screaming when he first saw the claws sticking out of his hand and in the first movie he says it hurts everytime, like he's still getting used to it (even though he doesnt' remember).

Doesn't mean anything. The claws hurt when they were bone too. It's still huge claws shooting through his hands ripping him up.

The writer changed his history once -giving him boneclaws.

Not that simple. There are two ways to look at it.

1) They changed his history three times in relation to the claws. Originally Weapon X gave him adamantium bones as well as creating cybernetic claws. Then Marvel Comics Presents and BWS enacted the first change, making the claws a freak accident of the process. Then they changed the second time revealing that he had bone claws. Then they changed it again with X-23's process revealing how the claws had to have been sharpened by someone to attain their blade like shape and extremely sharp edge. This changes the story from Weapon X where everyone was surprised by the claws because someone would have had to know about the claws and sharpened them, which none of the scientists did in that story.

2) Or you can look at the whole puzzle and realize they really didn't have to change anything. Wolverine showed up with memory loss and strange adamantium claws. Adamantium is a man made metal and most people dont have naturally occuring foot long claws in their arms, therefor Xavier and others assumed what was easy, that men had done this too him. BWS' Weapon X story came along and told the story of Weapon X in which the claws were a freak accident, which is fine because there was never any conclusive evidence on panel previously that anyone had made the claws for him. Most of the scientists are in shock, but with the fact that there was obviously someone pulling the Professor's strings the whole time (Romulus maybe) the Prof could have secretly prepped the claws for adamantium coating as he was heading the project and had special privalege. Romulus knows everything about Logan, so he could tell the Prof about it. You'll notice that while everyone is in shock about the claws the Prof alone says, "They aren't knives, they are claws." Which was a little strange, even when I first read it long before bone claws became fact.

they could change it again -just removing all the bonegarbage.

Which would be stupid of them and completely unneeded. Marvel knows fans don't like retcons, especially retcons that blow off YEARS worth of stories. Introducing the bone claws didn't make anything about Logan's past change, it just filled in little blanks

Realityadjustments have been made a lot of times in comichistory. Comicwriters do it if a history needs some clean up.

But history rewrites can be small or large. Changing Wolvy's claws from man-made to bone is a small change that doesn't really do much to the character, especially considering previous to Weapon X Wolverine frequently forgot about the claws for loooooong periods of time. Changing it back know is like doing another Spidey One More Day. Fans dont like that ****. Large amounts of their collections become pointless. The original small change didn't make any part of Wolvy change, but changing it back NOW would damage the character. Since the invention of bone claws they told Wolverine's real ORIGIN. If you drop the bone claws now you have to rework his origin story. I as a comic fan get PISSED any time the origin is messed with. Taking away the bone claws now not only alters LARGE parts of Wolverine's origin, (how do you explain Rose's death?) but it also mucks up new characters like X-23 and Daken, both of whom have all of Wolverine's powers due to shared genetics, which include natural claws. Now I hate both Daken and X-23 with a passion and would throw Quesada a party if he decided to write them out of existence. Unfortunately it makes your idea to change it back incredibly stupid. If you have to retcon 3 characters just to change a small aspect of 1 character the retcon is not worth the time and trouble, and potential backlash from fans.

Only some "newbies" like the boneclaws.
Most mature fans still prefer the original story (cybernetic claws).

Well obviously. Most people fear change, thus you are going to prefer the version of a character that you were originally introduced to. I know my Uncle is still pissed that Wolverine didn't remain a Hulk regular occuring villian. He's more pissed than anybody. Why? because he first read Wolvy in Hulk. The only time he likes the character now is when he's fighting Hulk, because in his mind that's how it should have been for years.

Further I dont think it really matters to old hands if Wolvy's claws are bone or artificial. I had the benefit of my Uncle's vast comic collection growing up so I was introduced to Wolverine in numbered order. So technically while younger than more "mature" Wolverine fans I still have the benefit of being introduced to man-made claw Wolvy first,(Hell adamantium glove Wolverine was where I cut my teeth) and I still think Bone Claws are completely acceptable.

Wolverine is about a man trying to control his berserker rage(and his animal insticts). Not about claws.

You're right. And since the claws themselves aren't the true focus of his struggle they are unimportant. So you shouldn't give a crap if they are bone or man-made. You proved my point for me.

If I can successfully ignore a Spider-Clone and a teenage Tony Stark, I can ignore bone claws!

It's easier to ignore the first two. They were so unpopular only an idiot would ever bring them up again. Bone Claws never caused such a backlash because most people probably had the same reaction I did, they thought they were cool. You can read Spidey or Shellhead today and never be reminded about those dark times in their publishing history. But over in Wolverine land you get reminded that organic claws are a fact of life and denying their existance makes you look childish. Daken (Wolverine's son) is a staple of one of his ongoing monthly books and according to writers is soon to pop up all over the X-Verse. And it's obvious he has organic claws and Wolverine is his father with all the same powers. The only way you can ignore their existence is to not read Wolverine books. And if you can do that you aren't much of a Wolvy fan and then no one would really care about your opinion would they?

 

[KillerBob]

Strictly for the record, though, do we also agree that the bone claws are not "essential" to the character?

That depends entirely upon what kind of fan you are. Kind of goes hand in hand with things like your learning style. I can appreciate a great artist, but good story is what matters to me at the end of the day. With that in mind the claws themselves aren't overly important. A hero should have a main focus/creed/whatever, and that is the most important thing to me. Batman does what he does because he never wants anyone else to go through the pain of watching their loved ones die, Spidey has with great power comes great responsibility, Wolverine struggles to be an honorable man even though he is doomed by the fact that he is a creature of instinct and will always revert to his base urges no matter how hard he fights against them.

BUT comics are a visual medium for the most part. MOVIES even more so in some ways. Each hero is defined by the tool they use. Batman is known for his utility belt/suit, Thor is identified with his mystical hammer, Spidey is famous for his web-shooters, and people are drawn to Wolverine because of his CLAWS. To me the claws dont really matter. Wolverine is a weapon himself and as stated is preficient in every fighting style and weapon known to man. Unfortunately most people dont get the character like his hardcore comic fans. To them Wolvy isn't Wolvy unless he has the claws. And considering 1/2 this movie seems to be before Weapon X the people in charge probably considered the fact that MOVIE-GOERS wouldn't be happy with him only "really being Wolvy" for only 1/2 the flick, thus the reason to bring bone claws into the equation.

Are claws essential? Maybe not, but they do define the character for many people. They are the tools that make the character known and identifiable to MOST people. So for some people claws, and in certain circumstances: bone claws might very well be essential. Also of importance is the subplot of Wolverine's animal instincts and his killer nature. Comic Wolverine resembles a psuedo-werewolf most times. Hugh Jackman on the other hand is a handsome man. In the comics Logan is covered in hair, his eyes glow red when he's angry, and he has very prominant fangs most times. Hugh in the movies has none of these characteristics to display his "animal nature". Because the movies lack these subtle touches it is necessary to display his killer nature in some way, therefor claws may be very much an essential part of the character.

It was only a matter of time before Wolverine's origin was told.

True, as Quesada himself said, although Wolverine's mysterious nature is an important part of the character and his appeal they had to reveal his "true" origin because if they didn't the movies would have, and I dont know anyone that wants their property being defined outside of their control.

Yeah, it's about time he got some development if you ask me. Otherwise he was a Clint Eastwood characture (or parody even).

Actually "The Man With no Name" was a big part of what Logan's character was based on. Part of the reason they have adapted Clint Eastwood's "Unforgiven" for the current "Old Man Logan" story in the Wolverine book. You didn't know a whole lot about the Man With no Name and you weren't supposed to know a whole lot about Logan.

the creators used to have "rules" about how many powers and how powerful characters could be... but I guess that's out the window since Wolverine is pretty immortal and has, like, 22 powers (rough estimate, may be an exaggeration).

It is an exaggeration. If you are going to complain about overpowered heroes you need to focus on DC Comics. The Martian Manhunter might actually have 22 different powers. Well... at least he's a lot closer than Wolvy is. Most of Wolvy's powers relate to his Healing Factor.

On another note, I am against the boneclaws... but only because it was a cop out that was orchestrated to be a huge revelation after his adamantium was ripped out.

How was the Bone Claw revelation a cop out? It was a holy **** moment, and an effective one. I was in the comic shop when that issue came out. I walked up to the rack and some guy next to me was like, "What the hell?!?!?!?! That's awesome!" All in all I dont think it was HUGE revelation, but it fit, just as Xavier says in Wolverine # 75.

In fact discovering the pieces piece by piece makes Wolverine his most interesting right now.

It would be if Larry Hama or Claremont was writing it. As is Daniel Way is wrecking a great opportunity with horrible execution.

Right, and the character he is supposed to fight in this movie is Sabretooth, who is made out of flesh and so far has not shown to possess healing abilities in the film series.

It's kind of been implied that he does, what with the guy surviving a direct lightning bolt to the chest and being repeatedly impaled in the chest by Logan.

Never understood how he could have had bone claws all those years that never came out

They already explained this. They did come out from time to time. He knew about the claws and used them after WW2 when he was living in a ninja village, and he found out about them again during his Team X days. It was revealed that after missions the team doctors were giving Logan brain damage to make him forget the missions he was going on, with the cover story that they were helping him control his rages. This repeated brain damage made him forget he had the claws, until they popped out by reflex when he was angry.

you can't tell me those thin adamantium knives are "around his natural claws."

They are if the claws were filed down, which they were. Look to the X-23 scans above.

I agree. I hate the bone claws revelation - that whole thing started out as a joke made by Peter David.

Obviously someone appreciated it, as the entire X-roster latched onto the idea immediately.

The real crime of bone claws as far as I'm concerned is that it changes that Logan was a man that Weapon X stripped of his humanity and altered into a killing-machine.

Bone Claws never changed that in the slightest. In the Weapon X story they were trying to turn him into a super soldier, but CLAWS never even factored into their designs. It was the infusion with metal and the altering of his mind with the intent to make him a puppet killer that is at the root of the problem.

Logan revealed that he was a monster and a killer BEFORE Weapon X got to him WAY before the bone claws were an issue. Both Claremont and Hama touched on this.

It's the same thing with the proposed plot point that Logan volunteers from the project - it completely takes away what made Logan's story so compelling.

That's from the movie-verse, and yeah I never liked that much either.

see Logan's wonderful and heart-wrenching speech from Uncanny X-Men #205 for the best reason to ignore the bone-claws retcon.

That speech doesn't offer anything relevant to the bone claws debate. It was simply Logan denouncing Deathstrike for willingly throwing away her humanity.

Wolverine was also able to take his enemies by surprise when they took means to wipeout the X-Men's mutant powers. In Uncanny X-men 150 against Magneto and 238 against the Genoshans. Wolverine was able to use his claws because they weren't part of his mutant power.

Doesn't mean they aren't a mutant power. Even after the bone claw revelation he could still use the claws when his powers were being blocked. It's not like Nightcrawler suddenly loses the ability to move his tail when he has a power dampener on. Certain powers require energy of some sort like a Healing Factor or teleportation, but to use a physical extention of your body like an extra limb (tail) or something controlled by muscle movement (popping claws) requires no X-Gene or energy, just physical manipulation. It doesn't make them suddenly not the result of his mutation.

OMG! I forgot about that! I even remember in the animated series when he stated, "There's nothing mutant about these." Wow...good call.

It's not a good call. Wolverine still says stuff like that to this day, even though he knows the claws are a result of his mutant genes. He said it to Maria Hill during Wolverine's Civil War arc when SHIELD thought he couldn't use his claws if his mutant powers were turned off.

Great point, VictorVonDoomX. I wouldn't consider myself an expert in animal phsyiology but there can't be any animal that has natural spring-loaded claws.

There aren't any birds that have wings sprouting out of their backs either, so I guess we can ignore Warren's wings because they dont happen in nature.

The claws were definately intentional. Let me present the exact dialogue from Windsor-Smith's work of genius and my own thoughts on the subject.

"There's excess adamantium drain to the minima... flexo...
Hands and wrists - We can't account for it and we're unable to stop it."

Nothing in that quote makes it seem like the CLAWS were intentional. You're presenting it in such a way to support your clearly biased theory, which it does not. The scientists are puzzled by the extra drain to the wrists and when they ask the Prof about it he gets indignant and says, "Dont you think I know what I'm doing?!" But since the "entity" was doing a lot behind the Prof's back that could have just been him covering his ass as he was made to look like a fool. The extra drain to the wrists is mentioned, but no one knows why and the Prof never explains it. BUT the Prof does explain to Cornelius that they are claws, not knives.

I honestly can't see how. Metal being moulded into claws is hardly out of the realm of possibility. But it wasn't coincidence that they just turned out looking like knives/claws, they were indeed moulded that way.

1)There is never anything in WX to suggest that the claws were implanted into him, or that they were doing anything specifically to his forarms/wrists/hands.
2)The claws are always said to be HONED into shape, never molded.
3)We never see anything on his hands/arms that would direct the feed into forming something as specific as claws. The only thing on his hands are 3 needle looking feed tubes that impale the hand between his 4 main carpals. And they prepped him fairly quickly, with not nearly enough time or care to have inserted any device into his arms that would do the job internally.

How much of a stretch is that in a world where time travel is an everyday occurance?

It is a stretch considering with all the imense damage Logan has taken over the years, any apparatus they installed to wire the claw function to the brain would probably have been burned off or shot away by now. Strikes me as being uincredibly clunky and too prone to failure. It makes more sense that the release mechanism is naturally occuring and thus would automatically heal if ever damaged.

And ok, so your theory relies on pure adamantium claws counting as a "foreign contraption" but the skeleton that was bonded to his bones does not?quote]The adamantium that is bonded on a moleculear level to his organic bones wouldn't get pushed out because it's technically his skeleton now on a moleculear level and his HF isn't going to attack something that does belong there. True Adamantium blades in his arms however have no native organic matter bonded to them to wave off his immune system, and thus is a more likely target to be rejected by his body. What he says makes sense. The metal in his skeleton can't be pushed out because it is protected by being bonded to something that IS supposed to be in his body. The claws dont have that failsafe.

More specifically than “it was that humans did horrible things to Wolverine“, a theme of the character was that humans were playing god, and turned the man Logan into a weapon. Bone claws hurt the mythos, while Logan first gaining adamantium claws due to the actions of the military is of benefit to the Wolverine story. It's all opinion.

Bone Claws dont hurt this part of the mythos at all. Why? Simple - You are going along with the assumption that Logan wasn't a monster and wasn't a killer, and wasn't a weapon to begin with. That's where you get everything wrong. Wolverine (BEFORE WEAPON X) was a killer, did do monstrous things, and was already a living weapon. That part of Wolverine's mythos only means something as long as Wolverine is completely ignorant of his past and still thinks he was this poor innocent man that was altered by Weapon X. FACT is Wolverine was doing everything Weapon X intended for him before they got ahold of him. Weapon X didn't turn him into an animal or a weapon, he already was all those things. Weapon X simply wanted to make him a better weapon by giving him adamantium, and wanted more complete control over him, by mind-*ucking him into being a puppet killer. Logan was always a weapon, they just wanted to take away his freedom to be a weapon on his own terms.

If that's why you hate the bone claws then you just don't have a very valid reason.

 

[storyteller]

"Denile" is not a river... It's not even a word.

Doesn't change the fact that bone claws are apart of wolverines history.
I dont think just saying they dont alter wolverines history will changes someones view on them. Some people just dont like the bone claws for some reason. If you think its a cop out to keep wolverine useful after he lost his metal ones. Fine but remember that these characters are a business. Wolverine without claws doesnt sale. Any other reasons.........

 

[Infinity9999x]

Killer Bob, just wondering but, how old are those statements that you're quoting? This thread is a couple of months old at the very least, so those comments could very well have been made half a year ago. The poster's may not even be looking in this thread anymore. I just thought I'd let you know, and I don't know if anyone will want to read those massive posts, all that text nearly gave me a seizure.



That said, I've been a supporter of bone claws for a while. I think they only add to the character, and I can't see how they detract from him in any way. The things I do think detract from Wolverine's character are when the writers make him too invincible.

For example, the healing back from a skeleton was incredibly stupid. It made me cringe. Wolverine was never meant to be that powerful. Not to mention that that moment was in direct contradiction with a great X-men story, Days of Future Past, in which Logan actually dies when he gets burned down to a skeleton.

Wolverine is a slightly more grounded character (as grounded as a superhero can be anyways). He's supposed to be gritty, a superhero that can actually get killed if he get's hit too many times and his healing factor can't heal him enough. He's a streetwise, and skilled fighter. Not an unstoppable force. My favorite version of Wolverine was when Claremont wrote him in the late 70's early 80's. And I don't see bone claws taking away from that character at all.

What I do see taking away from that character is when writers today make him harder to kill then Superman

 

[KillerBob]

Killer Bob, just wondering but, how old are those statements that you're quoting? This thread is a couple of months old at the very least, so those comments could very well have been made half a year ago.

Yeah, I haven't posted here in quite a while, but have been slowly accumulating responses and commenting on them in Word. With the confirmation that Bone Claws were in the movie I figured I might as well just dump it all in now and be done wih it.

The poster's may not even be looking in this thread anymore. I just thought I'd let you know, and I don't know if anyone will want to read those massive posts, all that text nearly gave me a seizure.

And thus less likely to contradict my opinion.t:

For example, the healing back from a skeleton was incredibly stupid. It made me cringe. Wolverine was never meant to be that powerful.

And I could argue that Wolverine is still nowhere near invincible, and no hero currently being written was ever intended to be as powerful as they are now.

Not to mention that that moment was in direct contradiction with a great X-men story, Days of Future Past, in which Logan actually dies when he gets burned down to a skeleton.

While DOFP was a truly great story I dont feel it holds weight anymore, and hasn't for a long time. It's pointless to use it as an example of what can kill Wolverine because it's no longer an accurate portrayal of Logan. That Logan was old, which makes no sense cosidering the other X-Men were still alive. As slowly as he ages for him to appear that old they would have to have all been dead for a few centuries. Remember Logan hasn't physically aged since WW2. Secondly, older people simply aren't what they were in their prime. That Logan's HF likely weakened as he aged, just as normal people lose strength, eyesight, etc, so It can't be aken as a true example of what current (in the prime of his life) Logan can take. Third, it is a future/alternate future/alternate reality tale, or whatever you want to call it. Time is fluid and the mere fact that the X-Men became aware of tha future ensures it wont happen. And last, how can you be sure Wolverine didn't survive that Sentinel bast? The story ends and we never see what happened to his remains. A couple hours later he could very wel have started regenerating...

 

[Infinity9999x]

Yeah, I haven't posted here in quite a while, but have been slowly accumulating responses and commenting on them in Word. With the confirmation that Bone Claws were in the movie I figured I might as well just dump it all in now and be done wih it.
And thus less likely to contradict my opinion.t:
And I could argue that Wolverine is still nowhere near invincible, and no hero currently being written was ever intended to be as powerful as they are now.
While DOFP was a truly great story I dont feel it holds weight anymore, and hasn't for a long time. It's pointless to use it as an example of what can kill Wolverine because it's no longer an accurate portrayal of Logan. That Logan was old, which makes no sense cosidering the other X-Men were still alive. As slowly as he ages for him to appear that old they would have to have all been dead for a few centuries. Remember Logan hasn't physically aged since WW2. Secondly, older people simply aren't what they were in their prime. That Logan's HF likely weakened as he aged, just as normal people lose strength, eyesight, etc, so It can't be aken as a true example of what current (in the prime of his life) Logan can take. Third, it is a future/alternate future/alternate reality tale, or whatever you want to call it. Time is fluid and the mere fact that the X-Men became aware of tha future ensures it wont happen. And last, how can you be sure Wolverine didn't survive that Sentinel bast? The story ends and we never see what happened to his remains. A couple hours later he could very wel have started regenerating...

I don't really care about it being canon or not that Wolverine can heal back from a skeleton, I just personally don't like it. My favorite incarnation of Wolverine is when Claremont wrote in him in the late 70's early 80's. Some of the stories Claremont wrote with him were fantastic, and one of the things I liked about Wolverine in those stories was that he actually had to be careful or he could get killed. He could still sustain much more damage then a normal man, but there always was the possibility that he could take too much damage and die.

Now, as a reader you know they're not going to kill Wolverine, but that sense of danger made the stories more entertaining. When you bring Wolverine up to a level where he can heal back from basically anything, then the stories become less interesting. I never feel any sense of danger for him, because I know he can't die.

The same thing happened to Superman in the 50's to 70's. He became so powerful it got stupid. He could move planets and juggle asteroids. He got to the point that he was so powerful people got bored of the character, because how can you have a villain that could hurt a guy that strong? And in the end it really hurt Superman's character, the readers really began to drop his book. Hence the drastic de-powering in COIE.

I don't want to see Wolverine end up in the same spot Superman was once. And I'm not too worried, because the few exaggerated instances such as him healing back from a skeleton don't seem to be the norm in comics nowadays. In many comics we still see Wolverine wincing in pain as his skin slowly heals back from being set on fire, or getting his stomach ripped open and being sidelined for a minute or two before he can jump back into the action. And I'm glad for that, because for me personally, I don't want to read about a Wolverine that can heal back from anything.

 

[Asteroid-Man]

People saying "newbies" only like bone claws are ******ed. I've been reading comics since way before Bone-claws and when I heard of Bone Claws it made sense. At first I was kind of shocked but then I was like you know what, it DOES make sense.

 

[WeaponXProject]

People saying "newbies" only like bone claws are ******ed. I've been reading comics since way before Bone-claws and when I heard of Bone Claws it made sense. At first I was kind of shocked but then I was like you know what, it DOES make sense.

Agreed. The metal is graphed to his bone. So where did the claws come from? It only makes sense that he would have bone claws.

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

"Denile" is not a river... It's not even a word.

Doesn't change the fact that bone claws are apart of wolverines history.
I dont think just saying they dont alter wolverines history will changes someones view on them. Some people just dont like the bone claws for some reason. If you think its a cop out to keep wolverine useful after he lost his metal ones. Fine but remember that these characters are a business. Wolverine without claws doesnt sale. Any other reasons.........

I wasn't arguing against you... only pointing out your errors in vocabulary (or maybe spelling) usage...

 

[The Original Bamfer]

This isn't English class.

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

This isn't English class.

...but it is a website based in text where proper grammar, spelling, punctuation, etc. are important to deciphering the messages of a person's post (regardless, I was just being a smart-ass, anyway... no hard feelings, storyteller).

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

Y'all postin some really old quotes from me... I won't reply to all the times I've been quoted on this page... but I will say this:

1. DC comics characters suck (except for Batman who was actually my introduction into the comic book world) --just my opinion...

2. I am an old-school fan who stopped reading comics in the early 90s... so I am not familiar with the whole bone-claw story... yeah, it makes sense... but at the same time it does violate several insinuated rules/continuity issues. Please note the italicized word in my previous sentence; "insinuated", as in "implied"... meaning that there are no explicit violations and, as such, bone claws are perfectly plausible to Wolverine's continuous storyline... my question is... are bone claws actually essential to the character of Wolverine?... my argument relies on the controversy of this character trait that exests b/w old schoolers (like myself) and more recent readers of Marvel.

One of the Chinese cinema's biggest criticism of American films is a lack of character development... they argue that characters in American cinema don't grow, learn, evolve or change... (for example, Rambo was a skilled fighter at the beginning of the movie and maintained his skill level throughout all 3 flicks.. also never learning any type of moral lesson throughout the entire trilogy) I know there are several ways that Wolverine can evolve and mature throughout this film outside of his claws but I feel the claws are an important part of his character's evolution and also the mystery of his past. As I remember Wolverine and the Weapon X history, I am reminded of the irony of the fact that Weapon X gives Wolverine his claws and Wolverine, in turn, uses them to tear the place up. To me, personally, that is a very important part of the history of Wolverine and would also make for a kick-ass scene in a motion picture. I feel that it would take away from that particular scene if he was already shown with claws, rgardless of what they are made of. If you got a kid choppin people up at the beginning, where's the fun in seeing a grown man chop people up at the end? ... Once again, my opinion.