Bone claws!?

[Sturmwolf]

Yes, the cyber claws idea would have been better than the initial "accident" explanation. But still, I don't see how anyone can hate the idea of bone claws. It makes far more sense than either the "accident" or cyber claws ideas, and makes the character even more ferocious and animal-like! If bone claws are not incorporated into movie Wolverine's character, then movie Wolverine will have a completely different origin than his comic book counterpart. Do you people want the X-Men movies to deviate farther from the comic books than they already have?!!

What's the matter?
Different people, different opinions.
I do hate the bone claw story.
The concept is that Wolverines mutantpowers made it possible to enhance him with the bonelacing and the artifical claws.
Ferocity has nothing to do with claws.
Take a man like...say...Bill Romanowski...that man is a human beast!^^
This is a state of mind, not about some claws.
And I do think that the movies should stick to the comics...BUT...
an audience unfamiliar with the deadamantium-story won't swallow the bone claw thing!
It is downright ridiculous.
Unbelievable.
The regular cinemaaudience will laugh about it.
Comicreaders had gone a long way to get used to the story, from the point where the adamantium was pulled out till the originstory finally appeared.
But it would trash the movieverse Logan.

 

[Infinity9999x]

What's the matter?
Different people, different opinions.
I do hate the bone claw story.
The concept is that Wolverines mutantpowers made it possible to enhance him with the bonelacing and the artifical claws.
Ferocity has nothing to do with claws.
Take a man like...say...Bill Romanowski...that man is a human beast!^^
This is a state of mind, not about some claws.
And I do think that the movies should stick to the comics...BUT...
an audience unfamiliar with the deadamantium-story won't swallow the bone claw thing!
It is downright ridiculous.
Unbelievable.
The regular cinemaaudience will laugh about it.
Comicreaders had gone a long way to get used to the story, from the point where the adamantium was pulled out till the originstory finally appeared.
But it would trash the movieverse Logan.

Wrong, that's what I've been saying the entire time. The bone claws make more sense then the implanted claws. Why? A few reasons.

1. The audience isn't familiar with any cybertechnology. Going the cyberclaw way is even more complicated then the bone claw way. Why? Because as I've said, not only would they have had to implant a switchblade mechanisim, the mechanisim would have to be mentally activated, because he would have to learn to move invouluntary muscles in his arm in a way they've never been moved before to activate the switchblade mechanisim, and I don't even think that's possible. Besides, explaining the cybertechnology would be more complicated then saying "he already had the claws"

2.Bone claws are logical, they get rid of a long explanation of extremely advanced claws that scientits implanted, and simply say, he's a mutant born with retractable claws. That's simple, and not hard to digest at all.

3. There is no reason at all for the audience not to digest it. We've seen a mutant with wings, mutants that can shape change, mutants that can demolecularize people, mutants that that control your mind, but say "Wolverine always had his claws before the adimantium, just like he always had his bones before the surgery," and that's too hard to digest?

4. Bone claws are going to be even easier for the audience to digest then comic fans, because there wasn't 30 years of history where people believed the claws were added. People who really like Wolverine already know the bone claws have been part of his history for 10 years, it won't be hard to accept at all.

I understand you dislike the bone claws, and I can see the reason why, but saying that it'll be too hard for the audience to digest is simply false. If they can digest that a man can control metal, or fly, or suck the life force out of you, they won't have troubble believing one can be born with claws.

 

[ICXCNIKA]

Wrong, that's what I've been saying the entire time. The bone claws make more sense then the implanted claws. Why? A few reasons.

1. The audience isn't familiar with any cybertechnology. Going the cyberclaw way is even more complicated then the bone claw way. Why? Because as I've said, not only would they have had to implant a switchblade mechanisim, the mechanisim would have to be mentally activated, because he would have to learn to move invouluntary muscles in his arm in a way they've never been moved before to activate the switchblade mechanisim, and I don't even think that's possible. Besides, explaining the cybertechnology would be more complicated then saying "he already had the claws"

2.Bone claws are logical, they get rid of a long explanation of extremely advanced claws that scientits implanted, and simply say, he's a mutant born with retractable claws. That's simple, and not hard to digest at all.

3. There is no reason at all for the audience not to digest it. We've seen a mutant with wings, mutants that can shape change, mutants that can demolecularize people, mutants that that control your mind, but say "Wolverine always had his claws before the adimantium, just like he always had his bones before the surgery," and that's too hard to digest?

4. Bone claws are going to be even easier for the audience to digest then comic fans, because there wasn't 30 years of history where people believed the claws were added. People who really like Wolverine already know the bone claws have been part of his history for 10 years, it won't be hard to accept at all.

I understand you dislike the bone claws, and I can see the reason why, but saying that it'll be too hard for the audience to digest is simply false. If they can digest that a man can control metal, or fly, or suck the life force out of you, they won't have troubble believing one can be born with claws.

I agree with you, completely! Bone claws are the only way to go!t:

 

[ICXCNIKA]

What's the matter?
Different people, different opinions.
I do hate the bone claw story.
The concept is that Wolverines mutantpowers made it possible to enhance him with the bonelacing and the artifical claws.
Ferocity has nothing to do with claws.
Take a man like...say...Bill Romanowski...that man is a human beast!^^
This is a state of mind, not about some claws.
And I do think that the movies should stick to the comics...BUT...
an audience unfamiliar with the deadamantium-story won't swallow the bone claw thing!
It is downright ridiculous.
Unbelievable.
The regular cinemaaudience will laugh about it.
Comicreaders had gone a long way to get used to the story, from the point where the adamantium was pulled out till the originstory finally appeared.
But it would trash the movieverse Logan.

I appreciate your comments, but three points come to mind: 1.) If movie Wolverine's claws are strictly mechanical, how could a mental link have been created to trigger them? That seems a little extreme to me, even by comic book standards. 2.) Without movie Woverine having natural bone claws, Origin will have to be thrown out, or severely altered. I, personally, loved Origin, and I hope the Wolverine/X-Men movies would incorporate this story into movie Logan. And Origin largely revolves around Wolverine's bone claws. If movie Logan has mechanical claws, Origin cannot be used, because Wolverine would always remain rich kid, James Howlett, and never become the "Logan" we all know. 3.) Why would audiences laugh at movie Wolverine having natural bone claws? Clearly, most people who see an X-Men-based movie generally, or seriously, know who these characters are, and thus, many are quite familiar with the bone claws story, and would even expect it. Which would cause many fans, including myself, to feel ripped off if it weren't included. But again, why would the typical movie-goer laugh at the bone claws idea?

Granted, Wolverine's ferocity is not all about his claws. However, when Wolverine was first introduced, why did he become so popular so quickly? It was both because of his ferocity, and the fact that he had claws that popped out of his hands! Many characters are ferocious--Hulk is ferocious--but these switchblade-like weapons of Logan's were the real selling point. And that's why when Wolverine got his adamantium pulled out, the writers had to find a way to give him claws again. So, they made them bone. A concept I believe makes far more sense than either the "accident" or "cyber claws" idea. The story of Wolverine getting his adamantium pulled out would not have been written if the character would then be clawless. Why? Not because Wolverine wouldn't manage without them, but because no one wants to read a Wolverine story where he doesn't have claws! That's the whole point of Wolverine! Those who don't like the bone claws idea, and think Wolverine's popularity and awesomeness is purely in his attitude, might as well suggest Wolverine shave his head, lose the mutton-chops, and stop wearing plaid shirts!

Bone claws were a brilliant idea, and made Origin the tremendous success that it was!

 

[Sturmwolf]

...1.) If movie Wolverine's claws are strictly mechanical, how could a mental link have been created to trigger them? That seems a little extreme to me, even by comic book standards. 2.) Without movie Woverine having natural bone claws, Origin will have to be thrown out, or severely altered.... 3.) Why would audiences laugh at movie Wolverine having natural bone claws? Clearly, most people who see an X-Men-based movie generally, or seriously, know who these characters are, and thus, many are quite familiar with the bone claws story, and would even expect it. ....
Bone claws were a brilliant idea, and made Origin the tremendous success that it was!

1)Get rid of the idea of a "mental link...to trigger"!
I don't get why you fix yourself on that thing.
Modern prothesises could explain a muscle or nerve trigger.
It is unnecessary to ride that dead pony.
2)Why do you reduce the whole Origin on the stupid BONE claws??
He has medically altered...pretty cuesome experiments...abused to a point where he lost his memory.
The claws are the least interesting part in the character growth.
Besides the laughable accident that they miss the additional bonestructure in his arms.
Another dead pony....
3)Wrong!
You can't expect that the movieaudience is familiar with the comics!
The mainstreamaudience is seldom familiar with the original.
Like remakes, a lot of people didn't even know that they watch a remake.
[4)]The CLAWS are an essential part of the success.
NOT the material they are made of.

Please don't bring this points up against me anymore.
I regard them as invalid.
I accept them as your opinion, but don't bring them as arguments against my point of view anymore.
You force me to reexplain that in new words everytime.


PS:
Wolverine is one step closer to the real life than a lot of his teammates.
The movieverse Wolverine is therefore the character to associate for the audience.
He is a cinematically tool to link the real life audience to the movie-/marvelverse.
Therefore he has to be more believable than the rest.(IMO)

 

[superkong 500]

Well to start off didn't the script review said that wolverine would pop his bone claws first in a scene in which he's picked on as a teenager? Anyway boneclaws are a logic thing to logan. He has animalistic qualities so why not have natural retractable claws Its not far fetched or anything like that. As a matter of fact it would be more realistic than having scientists implant claws on him. They would just have to polish them and cover them with adamantium.

 

[ICXCNIKA]

Well to start off didn't the script review said that wolverine would pop his bone claws first in a scene in which he's picked on as a teenager? Anyway boneclaws are a logic thing to logan. He has animalistic qualities so why not have natural retractable claws Its not far fetched or anything like that. As a matter of fact it would be more realistic than having scientists implant claws on him. They would just have to polish them and cover them with adamantium.

Exactly correct! Bone claws are essential to Wolverine's very nature, being the bloodthirsty animal that he is. The character must have natural retractable bone claws. It makes perfect sense!

 

[ICXCNIKA]

1)Get rid of the idea of a "mental link...to trigger"!
I don't get why you fix yourself on that thing.
Modern prothesises could explain a muscle or nerve trigger.
It is unnecessary to ride that dead pony.
2)Why do you reduce the whole Origin on the stupid BONE claws??
He has medically altered...pretty cuesome experiments...abused to a point where he lost his memory.
The claws are the least interesting part in the character growth.
Besides the laughable accident that they miss the additional bonestructure in his arms.
Another dead pony....
3)Wrong!
You can't expect that the movieaudience is familiar with the comics!
The mainstreamaudience is seldom familiar with the original.
Like remakes, a lot of people didn't even know that they watch a remake.
[4)]The CLAWS are an essential part of the success.
NOT the material they are made of.

Please don't bring this points up against me anymore.
I regard them as invalid.
I accept them as your opinion, but don't bring them as arguments against my point of view anymore.
You force me to reexplain that in new words everytime.


PS:
Wolverine is one step closer to the real life than a lot of his teammates.
The movieverse Wolverine is therefore the character to associate for the audience.
He is a cinematically tool to link the real life audience to the movie-/marvelverse.
Therefore he has to be more believable than the rest.(IMO)

Did you actually read Origin?!! Young James Howlett's murdering Thomas Logan forced James and Rose to run away, leading James to forget his past (due to the trauma), become "Logan," and finally become the carnivorous animal we all know as "Wolverine." Without bone claws, there'd be no Wolverine. That's why I "reduce" Origin to bone claws.

And about "the laughable accident that they miss the additional bonestructure in his arms.", the original "accident" explanation for why Wolverine has adamantium claws in the first place is even more laughable. I'm not suggesting the Weapon X lab technicians missed the bone structures in his arms. As with the movies, I'm suggesting they saw the bone claws, and laced them with adamantium, too, but that they underestimated the strength and rage of Wolverine, leading Wolverine to slaughter a multitude of armed guards, and then escape. You see, it all works perfectly.

 

[Infinity9999x]

1)Get rid of the idea of a "mental link...to trigger"!
I don't get why you fix yourself on that thing.
Modern prothesises could explain a muscle or nerve trigger.
It is unnecessary to ride that dead pony.
2)Why do you reduce the whole Origin on the stupid BONE claws??
He has medically altered...pretty cuesome experiments...abused to a point where he lost his memory.
The claws are the least interesting part in the character growth.
Besides the laughable accident that they miss the additional bonestructure in his arms.
Another dead pony....
3)Wrong!
You can't expect that the movieaudience is familiar with the comics!
The mainstreamaudience is seldom familiar with the original.
Like remakes, a lot of people didn't even know that they watch a remake.
[4)]The CLAWS are an essential part of the success.
NOT the material they are made of.

Please don't bring this points up against me anymore.
I regard them as invalid.
I accept them as your opinion, but don't bring them as arguments against my point of view anymore.
You force me to reexplain that in new words everytime.


PS:
Wolverine is one step closer to the real life than a lot of his teammates.
The movieverse Wolverine is therefore the character to associate for the audience.
He is a cinematically tool to link the real life audience to the movie-/marvelverse.
Therefore he has to be more believable than the rest.(IMO)

No, modern prothesises could not explain the non mental trigger link. A HUMAN CANNOT MOVE AN INVOLUNTARY MUSCLE VOLUNTAIRLY. Wolverine, in effect, to trigger a switchblade mechanisim in his arm, would have to somehow learn to consciously move an involuntary muscle and like I said, I don't even think that's possible.

But really none of this is the point, what is is your claim that you think somehow, audiences would think bone claws laughable, and to put it mildly, you're simply wrong.

Lets forget the whole argument about why I thought bone claws were more logical and all that. Will put that aside for now. What I find incredulous is that you think that audiences, who have seen in the past X-men movies people who can fly, almost wipe out the entire human race telepathically, control metal with their minds, teleport, have blue skin and demon like looks, suck out people's life forces, or demolecularize people, would somehow find a man with claws unbelievable.

I'm sorry, but your logic there is just wrong. The audience has been displayed with examples that are far more mind boggling then natural claws.

You may think that they would somehow be confused because of the experiment that laced his skeleton with metal? Why? They don't think his skeleton is completley metal, why would they think his claws were. It's not illogical to think that his claws were part of his skeleton and simply laced with adamantium as the rest of him was.

I can understand you not liking the bone claws, there's a perfectly valid reason for you not to, but don't try to say that the bone claws are somehow illogical, or would be too hard for an audience to take in, because as I've pointed out, that's just not the case.

 

[Sturmwolf]

Did you actually read Origin?!!

Actually not.
I do know the story, but frankly I think it sucks.
And I won't spend any time or money on something I won't like at all.
I my eyes it is a patchwork concept to get the garbage straight that was made with this character.
They might have managed that in an aceptable way.
Toleratable by any newbie,but I will not like it.
Best put the blanket of forgetfulness about the whole bone claw thing and get on with the comics.
Only sad thing that it has to be dragged back to public with a Wolverine prequel.

 

[Sturmwolf]

and to put it mildly, you're simply wrong.

Kindergarten.^^
Your wrong...no you...
I made my point clear, believe it or not.
If you bring a new arguments or points of view I will answer.
If you just keep repeating yourself read my old postings again.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Kindergarten.^^
Your wrong...no you...
I made my point clear, believe it or not.
If you bring a new arguments or points of view I will answer.
If you just keep repeating yourself read my old postings again.

Well, actually I brought up several points to which you have not responded. I'm not referring to the triggering mechanisim, I'm referring to the reasons about why I believe you're wrong when you say that an audience will not accept a Wolverine with natural claws.

A claim I believe you made that stemmed from your dislike of bone claws, which, as I've said, you have a perfectly valid reason for. But to reiterate myself, you never did reply to those postings, so I don't quite understand why you say I have not brought up no no postings. I'll repost them again if you may have missed them.

Lets forget the whole argument about why I thought bone claws were more logical and all that. Will put that aside for now. What I find incredulous is that you think that audiences, who have seen in the past X-men movies people who can fly, almost wipe out the entire human race telepathically, control metal with their minds, teleport, have blue skin and demon like looks, suck out people's life forces, or demolecularize people, would somehow find a man with claws unbelievable.

I'm sorry, but your logic there is just wrong. The audience has been displayed with examples that are far more mind boggling then natural claws.

You may think that they would somehow be confused because of the experiment that laced his skeleton with metal? Why? They don't think his skeleton is completley metal, why would they think his claws were. It's not illogical to think that his claws were part of his skeleton and simply laced with adamantium as the rest of him was.

I can understand you not liking the bone claws, there's a perfectly valid reason for you not to, but don't try to say that the bone claws are somehow illogical, or would be too hard for an audience to take in, because as I've pointed out, that's just not the case.
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You see, my point in all that was, the audience has been exposed to many more mindblowing ideas then a man born with claws, so your reasoning that bone claws will somehow be too hard for an audience to grasp simply doesn't fit.

Hopefully that fixed up any confusion you may have had.



p.s. And if you haven't read Origin, it really is quite good. I know with your predisposition to bone claws, it may be hard for you to like it, but if you ignore that fact, it's really a nice Wolverine story. It really gets into his character nicely, showing that Wolverine is at heart a good person, just faced with many hardships. It also isn't completley overblown as some of the stories today are....like having Wolverine heal back from a skeleton

 

[The_Guyver]

In my opinion, bone claws make the most sense in terms of what the core essence of the character is. A wild animal. LONG before Magneto ever ripped out the adamantium from his skeleton, I thought Wolverine should've had bone claws in the first place, just as I thought Spider-Man should have organic web-shooters. Those concepts just made the most sense to me. Why should a man who has the powers of a spider need to make artificial web-shooters? When Sam Raimi introduced the idea in the first film, I was very happy. It makes sense for Spider-Man to have organic web-shooters, hence, HIS DAMN NAME. As far as bone claws not being indestructible in the way adamantium claws are, had they been written as such in the first place due to his uncharted bone density making his skeleton indestructible, they would've been accepted as readily as the adamantium concept was. When it was canon that Wolverine was GIVEN his claws as part of an experiment, to me it linked him too closely to technology, which is not something I associate with wild animals, unless it's what's keeping them captivated or controlling them. When Bryan Singer's first X-Men film introduced Wolverine's claws popping out from between his knuckles instead of his forearms/wrists, I thought it was excellent as it was what I had envisioned was best for the character for a long time. It made the most sense to me in terms of having him use muscle triggers to make them pop out and giving him optimum leverage when he attacked. Now, had Wolverine's claws popped out from his nails when he was first introduced, he would never have had the same impact he's had since. The claws, more specifically the manner in which they popped out, gave him an instant cool factor unique to him and only him. In the Marvel Universe, there are many characters with healing factors, so hypothetically, any of them could be given adamantium claws. There also plenty of tough guys and martial artists, so any one of them could take the place of a clawless Wolverine in a given story. The claws are only part of what make Wolverine who he is, but they are a BIG part. They make him the unique, feral animal we've come to know and love. The fact that he always had bone claws solidifies the fact that NOBODY made him what he is. He was born with unique gifts, it was no curse thrust upon him by a failed science experiment. He is equipped with all the tools he'll ever need to survive in a harsh environment, just as all wild animals are. This is why Wolverine is at the very top of the Marvel food chain. Right after Spider-Man, of course. Bone claws and organic web-shooters all the way baby!

 

[Sentinel X]

I don't know why people think the audience will be so stupid that they cannot understand the concept of bone claws. Its pretty simple, If you have an IQ of 70 and up you should be able to understand

 

[storm-x-fan]

I don't know why people think the audience will be so stupid that they cannot understand the concept of bone claws. Its pretty simple, If you have an IQ of 70 and up you should be able to understand

eyah i agree with u on that. and i think the movies should also anrate the concept and amke people undrstand. but the way the directors handle the movies, i dont think they can make non-x-men fans realise......

 

[Zombie_samurai]

the bone claws are too comic bookish for the movies, but we'll just have to wait and see what happens

 

[TwilightPro101]

the bone claws are too comic bookish for the movies, but we'll just have to wait and see what happens

Too comic bookish? This is a world where a man has a healing factor and metal overlacing his skeletons and people can fly and do so many other things.

Besides that if one follows Origin, it's a given that the bone claws were a natural part of his mutantion.

 

[cushe83]

Im at a lost for te logicv ome of you are using interm of thee films.. People don t think its nessecery to go far enough back into his life to reveal he has bone claws.....in...an...origin movie?

And I have to love the logic that wolverines bone claw would be to thin to be fitted underneath the adamantium claws despite the fact that his bones are laced with adimantium. Lets jut forget the fact that his claws are totally with in reason to have been laced with adamantium as well. I'm an on off fan and I knew this quite frankley Im suprised nobody else has seemeds to think of this.

 

[Bren]

Going WAAAY back, here goes.
1: The bone claws are reasonably formed, but quite small and thin. But yes, superdense and much stronger than normal bone.
2. Striker sees them when x-raying Logan before the procedure, and goes, "Hmmm, let's make them a little more useful, since everything required is already there. And there's enough space to make the adamantium 'extensions' longer..."
3. The body will REJECT foreign objects, so if Logan starts growing bone spurs, his body will fight and nuetralise them. Get rid of them, in other words. And we know his body is pretty good at protecting itself!
4. This will fit in with Logan replying to Rogue (X1) that it's sore "every time" he uses his claws. Take it a little further and say these slight yet-to-be destroyed bone spurs cause a bit of damage going through his forearm too!
5. Striker could have said "I only gave you claws" for a couple reasons. A) He's making his role far more important. Remember, he wanted Wolverine to come with him (very likely) or B) He's saying he made them useful! See point 1.

I mean, I don't read ANY comics (gasp shock), and trying to say a MUTANT in a world where people can teleport, control metal and turn into an ice man cannot have bone claws? Are you kidding?

Bone claws. Yes.

 

[cryptic name]

Actually not.
I do know the story, but frankly I think it sucks.
And I won't spend any time or money on something I won't like at all.
I my eyes it is a patchwork concept to get the garbage straight that was made with this character.
They might have managed that in an aceptable way.
Toleratable by any newbie,but I will not like it.
Best put the blanket of forgetfulness about the whole bone claw thing and get on with the comics.
Only sad thing that it has to be dragged back to public with a Wolverine prequel.

the fact that you cast an opinion on something you've never read, and disregaurd its significance based on this unfounded opinion kind of invalidates your argument.

 

[YJ1]

I do hate the bone claw story.

I still thoroughly HATE the bone claw concept. I refuse to acknowledge that they ever existed. (Just like the Spider-Man clone and teenage Tony Stark, that bone crap is easy to mentally block out)

Bone claws in the movie would be truly awful. This is different then the organic web shooter debate or Galacticloud.

 

[cushe83]

I still thoroughly HATE the bone claw concept. I refuse to acknowledge that they ever existed. (Just like the Spider-Man clone and teenage Tony Stark, that bone crap is easy to mentally block out)

Bone claws in the movie would be truly awful. This is different then the organic web shooter debate or Galacticloud.

Your right it is different , due to the fact that it was a major story arc with in the characters history. It cant be ignored simple as that.

 

[odiin]

I still thoroughly HATE the bone claw concept. I refuse to acknowledge that they ever existed. (Just like the Spider-Man clone and teenage Tony Stark, that bone crap is easy to mentally block out)

Bone claws in the movie would be truly awful. This is different then the organic web shooter debate or Galacticloud.

I hate it too, but it does make sense from an entertainment standpoint. People aren't going to be rushing into theaters to see a movie about Wolverine if he doesn't have his signature claws in some form. So I'm willing to deal with it even if I don't like it.

 

[Chaos Bringer]

i think the bone claws are 'el stupido' and it isn't what claremont would've wanted.

 

[co2]

I'm an oldschool fan admittedly, but I'm open minded. Heck I even think organic web-shooters are better than mechanical.
But I have always HATED the boneclaw concept that came about in the 90's. 90's were a bad time for comics and this was one of the very bad ideas that came from this time. I always thought it was more tragic for Wolverine to have the claws be an aspect of being converted into a weapon. More interesting. The bone claw thing makes him less appealing to me and more silly.