Bone claws!?

[ReallyCoolGuy]

Even though I don't like the bone claws, Infinity made a very good point to defend them, the first relevant argument I've ever heard to defend the bone claws. Legion also brought up some good points to defend his side. Ultimately, though, I agree with chaseter t:...

Either way, IN THE MOVIE (since this is a movie forum) and also many of the comic book depictions (not including his original appearances) bone claws won't work due to the fact that Hugh Jackman's claws are too slender to house bones.

Therefore: No Bone Claws / Close Thread t:

 

[Infinity9999x]

Even though I don't like the bone claws, Infinity made a very good point to defend them, the first relevant argument I've ever heard to defend the bone claws. Legion also brought up some good points to defend his side. Ultimately, though, I agree with chaseter t:...

Either way, IN THE MOVIE (since this is a movie forum) and also many of the comic book depictions (not including his original appearances) bone claws won't work due to the fact that Hugh Jackman's claws are too slender to house bones.

Therefore: No Bone Claws / Close Thread t:

I don't know about that. The bone claws could just be a thinner version of the movie Wolverine's claws. The metal movie claws look to be about Half an inch thick at the base and get narrower, so the bone claws could be a bit smaller then that. Maybe around 4/6th of an inch.

And also, they do state in the script review that Wolverine will have bone claws.

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

The metal movie claws look to be about Half an inch thick at the base and get narrower, so the bone claws could be a bit smaller then that. Maybe around 4/6th of an inch.

^^^ C'mon, man. That's just too much. I say just forget it (of course, my opinion is biased 'cause I'm an old-schooler and I absolutely hate the idea that they gave Wolverine natural claws and now he has, like, 20 super-powers)

 

[Infinity9999x]

^^^ C'mon, man. That's just too much. I say just forget it (of course, my opinion is biased 'cause I'm an old-schooler and I absolutely hate the idea that they gave Wolverine natural claws and now he has, like, 20 super-powers)

Yeah, I can understand that. I personally don't mind the bone claws, what really bugs me is how ridiculous his healing ability has gotten lately. My favorite Wolverine was the Claremont/Miller version, the one that actually tried to uphold his code of honor and control his berserker rage, and the one who actually had to worry about getting killed. Back then, if Wolverine got tagged with a gun too many times, he was in trouble, but now you can burn him down to his friggin skeleton and he somehow heals back

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

^^^ Yeah... that's another thing... he's growin back amputated limbs and stuff... that's rediculous...

 

[Chaos Bringer]

all of it is ridiculous. about as bad as the current Wolvie comic. never mind closing this thread, close Wolverine.

 

[Spade]

all of it is ridiculous. about as bad as the current Wolvie comic. never mind closing this thread, close Wolverine.

t:

Just wondering- if someone was able to bring him back to being a regular mutant (or as regular as a mutant will ever get) and forgot about delving into his origin/ the whole "bone claw" thing, do you think that you'd be interested again? Or do you just dislike Wolverine altogether? I'm curious.

 

[ToriL90]

I agree, comic Wolvie heals WAY too much. How is it that his body keeps regenerating after he's dead? When he's nothing but a pile of bones? It's silly. He should be powerful, but not immortal. I like what I've seen so far in the movies, but they've gone way too far in the comics.

 

[Infinity9999x]

t:

Just wondering- if someone was able to bring him back to being a regular mutant (or as regular as a mutant will ever get) and forgot about delving into his origin/ the whole "bone claw" thing, do you think that you'd be interested again? Or do you just dislike Wolverine altogether? I'm curious.

I think Bone Claws are the least of problems when it comes to Wolverine. I personally started to dislike the character once he became a more beefed up punisher. One of the things I used to love about Wolverine was that whole failed Samurai aspect. Wolverine doesn't want to kill people, it's just that he has a part of him that's drawn to violence and he always struggled against it. Writers today have totally dropped that aspect of the character.

They've essentially reduced him to what he was before Claremont revamped him in the late 70's, a short guy with a bad temper who likes to kill people. And I personally think that's far more of a detriment to his character then bone claws.

 

[Venomfan]

Marvel has stated that Wolverine's bone claws are naturally sharp and durable enough to cut through most natural substances, including rocks, trees, and most kinds of metal like solid steel.
???

And why the hell is that so ridiculous? You've got a character that has moved fast enough to dodge objects going light speed, taken down the Hulk in 1 on 1 combat, healed from his skeleton in 3 panels, yet you balk at him having a super dense bone structure?!? If you can't accept that Wolverine's normal bone structure is far more dense/durable than normal human bone, then I dont know how you could debate any comic character at all. The fat is Wolverine's bone claws have cut through such materials on MANY occassions:

Uses bone claws to rip through roof of truck:

Rips car door off w/ bone claws:

Punctures metal freezer door w/ bone claws:.

WHAT THE HECK IS WITH HIS FACE HERE. and since when is he Hulk sized. and carrying cyclops with his teeth, terrible

Uses bone claws to puncture stone walls as climbing tools:

Cuts Box's armor w/ bone claws:

Bone Claws Wolverine defeats Hercules (superhuman durability) :

Bone Claws are able to put Ms. Marvel (superhuman durability) down:

It may be ridiculous, but you are far more ridiculous for not accepting it.

those have to be some of the stupidest things i've ever seen. Wolverine used to be my 2nd favorite character after spidey, but now im starting to despise him with all this ridiculous crap hes all of a sudden capable of. he beat Hercules? ridiculous, same with Hulk. Wolvie shouldnt even stand a chance against Spidey yet somehow he can take on Herc and Hulk.

 

[Infinity9999x]

WHAT THE HECK IS WITH HIS FACE HERE. and since when is he Hulk sized. and carrying cyclops with his teeth, terrible

That was when he went through an advanced mutant stage. Not one of the best arcs.

those have to be some of the stupidest things i've ever seen. Wolverine used to be my 2nd favorite character after spidey, but now im starting to despise him with all this ridiculous crap hes all of a sudden capable of. he beat Hercules? ridiculous, same with Hulk. Wolvie shouldnt even stand a chance against Spidey yet somehow he can take on Herc and Hulk.

If you're criticizing Wolverine taking on Hulk, then you obviously don't know Wolverine very well.

HE FOUGHT HULK IN HIS FIRST APPEARANCE. Heck, his first appearance WAS in a Hulk comic. Wolverine and Hulk have fought many times over the years, it's part of their history. No one should be surprised at that. So I don't see why you're surprised that he's fighting Hulk, because he's literally been doing it since he's been first introduced.

And Wolverine probably would stand a fairly good chance against Spidey. Even though they write him as a standard brawler now, Wolverine actually knows many different forms of martial arts and is a master in hand to hand combat. Not only that he has slightly above average strength and quickness (Similar to 616 Captain America) and that coupled with his adimantium laced bones and healing factor make him a very formidable match for Spider-man.

 

[ReallyCoolGuy]

Spider-Man would kick Logan's ass.

 

[Loganbabe]

Maybe in another universe...

 

[Venomfan]

That was when he went through an advanced mutant stage. Not one of the best arcs.



If you're criticizing Wolverine taking on Hulk, then you obviously don't know Wolverine very well.

HE FOUGHT HULK IN HIS FIRST APPEARANCE. Heck, his first appearance WAS in a Hulk comic. Wolverine and Hulk have fought many times over the years, it's part of their history. No one should be surprised at that. So I don't see why you're surprised that he's fighting Hulk, because he's literally been doing it since he's been first introduced.

And Wolverine probably would stand a fairly good chance against Spidey. Even though they write him as a standard brawler now, Wolverine actually knows many different forms of martial arts and is a master in hand to hand combat. Not only that he has slightly above average strength and quickness (Similar to 616 Captain America) and that coupled with his adimantium laced bones and healing factor make him a very formidable match for Spider-man.

i know his first appearence was in Hulk, its still a terrible matchup. and Wolvie wouldnt be able to lay a hand on spidey fi they are both written correctly, and logically Spidey would be able to punch Logans head right off.

 

[unstoppable]

I perfer bone claws myself

 

[Infinity9999x]

i know his first appearence was in Hulk, its still a terrible matchup. and Wolvie wouldnt be able to lay a hand on spidey fi they are both written correctly, and logically Spidey would be able to punch Logans head right off.

How? You can't sever Wolverine's head from his neck. Not only that, we all know Spider-man would never try to do that, he doesn't have the hardened mindset that Wolverine has. Now yes, Spidey should be quick enough to evade Wolverine, but Spider-man has been written where he's been tagged by normal humans before. Logically Spider-man should have no problem taking down the Kingpin, yet he still does.

Its the same thing with Superman. Logically, Superman being so powerful and so fast, should be able to waste just about anyone who's not cosmically powered because his super speed gives him a huge edge, but writers don't write him that way because it would be boring. Nobody wants to read comics where the heroes beat the villains with no effort.

And Wolverine and Hulk really isn't a very good match up, but it doesn't take away from the fact that they've fought quite often.

 

[Venomfan]

y wouldnt you be able to knock his head off? the ligiments and such attaching his bones to one another arent made of adamantium, cuz well he wouldnt be able to move if they were

 

[Infinity9999x]

y wouldnt you be able to knock his head off? the ligiments and such attaching his bones to one another arent made of adamantium, cuz well he wouldnt be able to move if they were

Simply because I don't think Spider-man would ever try to punch someone that hard.

Look at the Spider-man/Wolverine one shot back in the 80's. Spider-man was on edge after a tense fight with Wolverine and his Spider-sense went off. He thought it was Wolverine and he turned and let lose with a punch.

It wasn't actually Wolverine but a woman, and though he did kill the woman he did not dislocate her head from her shoulders. I think this is because, even when Spidey's taking it to someone hard, he always holds back for fear of seriously injuring someone, similar to how Superman always holds back.

While I agree that Spider-man has the power to knock heads off people, I think he rarely, if ever, uses his full potential. That and writers often write him weaker then he should be, or else he wouldn't have trouble when he fights people like Kingpin, yet that's not the case.

 

[Venomfan]

yah i hate when they do that.... stupid kingpin

 

[WeaponXProject]

If the movie is called Wolverine: Origins, like it may be since Marvel said, I suspect he will have Bone claws and that the claws are very durable. Most of us have read comics about Logan's bone claws and have seen that his claws can cut through many things. Any how lets just be excited that its happening! Can't wait!

 

[Venomfan]

If the movie is called Wolverine: Origins, like it may be since Marvel said, I suspect he will have Bone claws and that the claws are very durable. Most of us have read comics about Logan's bone claws and have seen that his claws can cut through many things. Any how lets just be excited that its happening! Can't wait!

i think it would be cooler to see them as not that durable, so that when he gets the metal its a HUGE upgrade

 

[Chaos Bringer]

t:

Just wondering- if someone was able to bring him back to being a regular mutant (or as regular as a mutant will ever get) and forgot about delving into his origin/ the whole "bone claw" thing, do you think that you'd be interested again? Or do you just dislike Wolverine altogether? I'm curious.

in my opinion i feel it would be best if they pulled a Dallas/Bobby Ewing on the MU.

so much of it is a mess now and the continuity of major characters have been mucked about, not in a great way either. story arcs are left unfinished for most books and new less interesting ones have begun to replace what was.

wolvie was interesting once upon a time. claremont made that happen. sure, the runt was tough, mean and a *****e but he was the ultimate in anti hero. the audience loved wolvie cuz of the mystery that surrounded him. he was shafted by the Cdn.'s and we felt bad for him. he was an experiment and we felt for him too. the stories that were told made sense, though the answers were few and far between.

now the cracks are being filled and with so many writers and editors and artists who likely do express their freedoms with him that what is going now seems silly to me. the level of continuity and quality control has turned left.

i cannot read the wolverine anymore. whedon writes him right. first guy to do that in a long time. i enjoy astonishing xmen, new avengers and punisher. the only quality books marvel still hustles IMHO.

anyways-i guess i grew up reading marvel in what was truly the glory days. the stories were fantastic. Recall Secret Wars 1, Fall of the Mutants, Days of Fututre Past or The Brood Storyline? What about Miller's Wolverine? wow.

perhaps i'm older and jaded, or maybe what is going on now just sucks.

 

[ImrtlLimpWrist]

In terms of movie Wolverine, Stryker at the X2 helicopter scene, says "I only gave you claws". It might have been interesting to have had him say "we just covered your own claws with adamantium". See what Logan's reaction would have been. It might also have been interesting if Stryker had called Wolverine 'James'. For the movie, I am guessing they keep it that the gov't gave him the claws.

As for the comic, I have no problem with either natural or "given" claw storyline.

For the comics, I definitely like the non-costumed Logan just finding trouble along the way. If we have to have a costume, the Ultimate costume seems the most logical altho I've made peace with the yellow-and-blue spandex.

The Samurai storyline is a bit flawed from reality. Samurai became hired guns who often waited outside the battle lines then snuck in to take heads from the dead so they could get payment. In reality, ninjas were the poor farmers who were not allowed to own weapons and so furnished their own from axes and staffs. Ninjas were much more noble than samurai.

 

[Savage]

I think he was called James somewhere in the movie. Just forgot where. Haven't watched it in a while.

Bones are a definate must or it will actually be the reverse of the Spider-man organic web-shooters deal. I'm sure that Stryker was only speaking metaphorically. It'll be more suprising when people find out he had the claws already.

 

[alfmartinez]

Hey you choose what you think is more rationale

1- he had bone claws but somehow they put adamantium on it.

2- he didn't have.. and they implemented bones, muscles, nerves, and many other things, maybe adapt his brain so he could control them (you watched x1 and know he can put only one claw)


think of it... it's simple