Bought/Thought-subs rule-Jan 24, 2007

[PWN3R]

No your kidding yourself, Marvel did not hype it, they put it out there and the hype happened naturally.

What's even funnier is that you still don't get it.t:

 

[supermarvelman]

I guess not, I guess I see it in a different light, cause from my point of view, you dont get it.

 

[PWN3R]

You know what really sucks? Everytime I get on here, no one is ever on except you. Curses.

 

[Kevin]

That's cold.

 

[supermarvelman]

You know what really sucks? Everytime I get on here, no one is ever on except you. Curses.

Deal with it, get your ass on here earlier.

 

[Tropico]

Civil War: The Return-
Soooo, I finally managed to read the comic and, like the vast and reasonable majority of you, I was disappointed. The story itself isn't that bad but it still has a lot of the mischaracterization that CW has been known for. It creeped me out that these 3 heroes would just stand there talking amongst themselves and not even greet Mar-Vell. If it had been after Hulkling's deception it would have been understandable, but this is DAYS before that; there's no reason for these 3 men to behave like this. Cloc confirmed his identity TWICE for God's sake!! Bleh, it just leaves a very bad taste.

Now, to comment on the time paradox thing and the way time travel works in Marvel. Time mechanics in the MU dictate that regardless if you move forwards or backwards in time you don't only move in that axis but you also shift slightly "sideways" in another axis that places you in an alternate Earth. The Earth X series theorizes that each time displacement actually creates an additional reality; I won't use that theory since Earth X and related series are more like an Elseworlds than canon. So, it should all boil down to this Marvel NOT being Capt. Marvel 616 but rather a CM from an alternate reality. This should, theoretically and technically, save us from Marvel messing with the character we all want to be left alone and not run through the mud like Marvel is wanton to do these days.

Now, this is where it gets tricky...there's already an instance where Marvel has used alternate time mechanics: Young Avengers' fight with Kang. And I think they're hinting that the same applies to Mar-Vell, at the very least they're setting it up. Sentry says: "Mar, old friend...history tells us that you return to your own time, no matter what you decide here. But the paradox of telling you--". The narration at the end: "You're the first person ever to get a second chance to make a first impression." Those two coupled with the comment about him not remembering what he was thinking just before he went into the time/space tear makes me think that this could, unfortunately, be the real deal. If going through the tear fooks with your memory then they have the perfect excuse as to why he doesn't remember any of this when he goes back.

I think the problem most of us have isn't that they brought him back but rather that they brought back a character that after all these years we've put on a pedestal (although, frankly, he earned it) and we're afraid that Marvel is gonna soil his good name after earning "safety". I would have preferred that he was left dead and any of his offspring continue to bear the CM mantle. Apparently Marvel, for all their talk about progression and growth, has to go back and get a recognizable name and visual to be able to carry a new series. At this point in time I wouldn't be surprised if the space/time tear is actually a disembodied Genis that figured our present needed his dad.

Dread, Sentry clearly states that Creel WILL be back; he didn't kill him. That's all I'll say about the throwaway second half of the comic.

 

[Darthphere]

Tropico the Wise has spoken in a 4 paragraph essay that actually was worth reading!

 

[yenaled]

I'm one of those people who believe there should be permanent deaths in comics, even if it is just a few just to keep that one little reminder that death can be important. For me it is Barry Allen at DC and Captain Mar-Vell at Marvel that did this.

I think bringing him back is just pointless when I thought I was seeing one of the first good Marvel legacy characters in Hulkling - but in fact no we have to yet again regress into bringing old characters back. Most the time you can forgive resurrections because death stories are hardly ever written well but when you have a story like the Death of Captain Mar-Vell which is perfectly written why mess with it. Especially when the resurrection story comes out as flat and pathetic as this one.

 

[supermarvelman]

Bucky gives me hope that any return or resurrection can be successful.

 

[Dread]

Dread, Sentry clearly states that Creel WILL be back; he didn't kill him. That's all I'll say about the throwaway second half of the comic.

I read it to mean that he's acknowledging that many villians return from the dead and that fact, coupled with whatever Creel absorbed from him, meant he'd be able to return. But it's still Sentry opting to murder him, shortly after he killed Carnage, and immediately after he blew up a gas station that reasonably should have had people there. Now, normally I wouldn't care, but after Stamford Marvel has tried to make us overly sensitive to how civilians get caught up in superhero battles and that any hero without fed training is a "ticking time bomb". Plus, the story treats it as a surprise that Sentry signed up, considering that a NEW AVENGERS issue a few months back also detailed how he joined.

I mean we have people crucifying the New Warriors or whatnot for being reckless, and it seemed Sentry gets a pass only because he's ridiculously powerful and he's been retconned as Marvel's Superman. I mean he's on the verge of becoming The Hulk at times, who was shunted into deep space for being a threat. I saw it as Marvel wanting to have it both ways (wanting to justify the Pro Reg side by showing anti's being dangerous, yet not following up here).

But, THE RETURN has been almost universally criticized as being underwhelming at best, so, the points've been made. Why the hell did Capt. Marvel need to be resurrected after almost 25 years, anyway? And I don't mean that in the sense that I believe his death was a sacred cow, even if it was a pivotal story; I mean that in the sense that I don't see the purpose. Like if Marvel announced an ULTIMATE TEAM AMERICA title; Why!?

 

[Darthphere]

He didn't. But the same argument can be used: Why the hell did Peter have to Marry MJ after 25 years of not being married?

 

[Dread]

He didn't. But the same argument can be used: Why the hell did Peter have to Marry MJ after 25 years of not being married?

Yes, I know technically he wasn't "resurrected" in the sense that his death has been erased. They're saying through some baloney, a past version of himself was flung into the future. Of course, it also is possible that this could be a Capt. Marvel from an alternate timeline, much as countless other characters hail from there, but Marvel hasn't taken that route and it likely would seem even more pointless. Basically, they're going, "here is Capt. Marvel back from the past, knowing that eventually he has to go back to fulfill his destiny and die. Lord knows how him being here now screws up the timeline, and now he's running a Gulag."

As for the marriage issue...sometimes people in love like to be happy and damn the odds?