Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[Kelly]

Harry Potter 5 > Transformers and Rise of the Silver Surfer

That is definitely becoming a reality.....

 

[Kelly]

OK this thread has kinda gone off the deep end. I saw Transformers and liked it, I gave it an 8/10.

The only thing I'd say in comparison to FF, is that it's hypocritical of those who claimed the FF was too childish, and then said Transformers was the best film of the summer.

The fanboys have kind of overrun this forum, and it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate because neither film deserves to be ripped.

 

[Hiruu]

Nice hold for the bots, they held-up nicely...about 5-6 % pts better than I expected, and they'll need it in the coming weeks, to have a shot at $300. Nothing new about HP5...it's going to do great things against the upcoming competition...it aviod the SM3/Shrek 3/AWE buzzsaw, and it should cruise nicely. Fantastic Four...not so Fantastic...I'm just stunned that $130 will be a threshold for this film...WOW...I honestly believed the potential was there for $200-range, so I'm shocked and disappointed to-date. The international numbers are looking very good, and it's probably going to top the 1st Film, which will be a huge boost to a third film. The film needs a better script...one that's 120 mins at the VERY low end...this film actually needed to be 140 mins to totally flesh out the plot...so sad, but they did the best with the restrictions. And overall, it was an improvement over the last film.

 

[Hiruu]

OK this thread has kinda gone off the deep end. I saw Transformers and liked it, I gave it an 8/10.

The only thing I'd say in comparison to FF, is that it's hypocritical of those who claimed the FF was too childish, and then said Transformers was the best film of the summer.

The fanboys have kind of overrun this forum, and it's unfortunate. It's unfortunate because neither film deserves to be ripped.

100% correct! There are ALOT of hypocrites in this genre, and if they don't get everything there way...they whine like a little b@#@#. Why come here to whine about the film...if you don't like it..say ur 2 cent and F-off...but no...same old whine...they need a better director...and a better cast..and blah blah blah...hmmmm...ignore. Fox is in this to make money, and if their risk tolerance is to delvier a lighter film in tone and substance to make 30% profit...who the heck are you (insert clownish fanboys) to believe they give a crap about ur every whine...anyway...I like the film, given it's faults, but I want something better.

 

[TheVileOne]

The disappointing BO of this movie should not be a surprise to anybody.

If you look at it, the second movie only followed the trends of the first one. The first movie came out in a summer of fierce competition. Had a decent opening weekend. However, the first movie's BO dropped on Saturday, and then dropped again on it's first Sunday. Most big or tentpole releases open big on their first Friday, and increase even more on their first Saturday. Not so for F4, and then Rise of the Silver Surfer it was the same way.

Taking ticket inflation into account, the opening weekends of both movies were virtually the same, the second movie's was actually a bit bigger.

Both movies opened up with similarly terrible reviews. Very low tomato meters as well.

To me the opening weekends of this movie show some of the kids and families go out to see it. Some of the fans see it. But then they don't have any interest to go back and see it again.

The second weekends of these movies, humongous dropoffs. The second weekends show bad word of mouth and feedback. And bad repeat business. People aren't inspired to go back and wanting to see this movie again and again. This movie doesn't try to draw in people who normally wouldn't go to the movies either. And at the end of the day, it's really just a dumb kids movie. It does not do a good job of playing well to a broad age demographic.

This movie was even SHORTER than the first one. After all the promises that they listened to our complaints and sought out to correct them, none of that happened. The tone and content of the movie was generally the same as the first one. This is one of the most epic and important F4 (and Silver Surfer for that matter) stories ever. And they didn't give it the respect and attention it deserves.

Despite claims otherwise, there wasn't this giving the finger from the audiences to the critics to make this movie a huge, much loved hit.

At the end of the day, this was a fairly mediocre sequel, to a fairly mediocre first movie. That's why it's performing worse than the first one.

The majority of people did NOT leave the first movie hungry and excited for a sequel. And what was done for the new movie did not inspire them to get excited and come out in droves.

 

[David33]

Its a pity,but FF2 is a bomb and the franchise its dead.Its not fair because
FF2 is way better than the first one.

 

[GL's Light]

HP 5: $ 330 mil worldwide in 5 days.

 

[Downhere]

HP 5: $ 330 mil worldwide in 5 days.

Awesome worldwide start for HP 5!

 

[The Apatow Crew]

Its a pity,but FF2 is a bomb and the franchise its dead.Its not fair because
FF2 is way better than the first one.

I wouldn't exactly say that.

 

[Octoberist]

The disappointing BO of this movie should not be a surprise to anybody.

If you look at it, the second movie only followed the trends of the first one. The first movie came out in a summer of fierce competition. Had a decent opening weekend. However, the first movie's BO dropped on Saturday, and then dropped again on it's first Sunday. Most big or tentpole releases open big on their first Friday, and increase even more on their first Friday. Not so for F4, and then Rise of the Silver Surfer it was the same way.

Taking ticket inflation into account, the opening weekends of both movies were virtually the same, the second movie's was actually a bit bigger.

Both movies opened up with similarly terrible reviews. Very low tomato meters as well.

To me the opening weekends of this movie show some of the kids and families go out to see it. Some of the fans see it. But then they don't have any interest to go back and see it again.

The second weekends of these movies, humongous dropoffs. The second weekends show bad word of mouth and feedback. And bad repeat business. People aren't inspired to go back and wanting to see this movie again and again. This movie doesn't try to draw in people who normally wouldn't go to the movies either. And at the end of the day, it's really just a dumb kids movie. It does not do a good job of playing well to a broad age demographic.

This movie was even SHORTER than the first one. After all the promises that they listened to our complaints and sought out to correct them, none of that happened. The tone and content of the movie was generally the same as the first one. This is one of the most epic and important F4 (and Silver Surfer for that matter) stories ever. And they didn't give it the respect and attention it deserves.

Despite claims otherwise, there wasn't this giving the finger from the audiences to the critics to make this movie a huge, much loved hit.

At the end of the day, this was a fairly mediocre sequel, to a fairly mediocre first movie. That's why it's performing worse than the first one.

The majority of people did NOT leave the first movie hungry and excited for a sequel. And what was done for the new movie did not inspire them to get excited and come out in droves.

I agree for the most part.

I think Fantastic Four as a movie series meant well, but they got the wrong people making it.

But I agree that the Silver Surfer and his arc is epic...not another money making 'franchise' to milk ala spinoffs. What's with Fox and spin-offs? They dont' work and if they did, I haven't seen any yet.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Back to the drawing board?

 

[Carp Man]

HP 5: $ 330 mil worldwide in 5 days.

Yep. $ 330 in 5 days. t: And that's only thru the 11th for the overseas #'s. 4 more days to count. t: t: Ain't life grand.

 

[Carp Man]

'Harry Potter' Flies with the 'Phoenix'
by Brandon Gray
July 15, 2007


The Harry Potter series once again exerted its box office might with its fifth entry, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix. Though the picture had by far the smallest opening weekend of the franchise, due to its Wednesday debut burning off demand, it handily conjured the best five-day start.

With the third-widest release on record, 4,285 theaters, and playing on over 9,000 screens, Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix summoned an estimated $77.4 million over the weekend. Since Wednesday, it has grossed $140 million, charting as the sixth highest-grossing five-day start of all time. The next closest of the series was Harry Potter and the Goblet of Fire at $119.7 million.

http://www.boxofficemojo.com/news/?id=2353&p=.htm

 

[Malus]

Its a pity,but FF2 is a bomb and the franchise its dead.Its not fair because FF2 is way better than the first one.

In no way does FF2 fit the definition of a bomb. Jeezis, it's Fox's highest grossing film of the summer (unless Simpsons shocks everyone and breezes past 100 million).
It's been a weird summer for every tentpole film. Every one of them has dropped dramatically their second and third weeks out.

I predict FF3 will be officially greenlit by year's end, with a holiday season release in 2009.
In the long run, Fox makes more money if they have a trilogy to package (and re-package).

 

[Carp Man]

In no way does FF2 fit the definition of a bomb. Jeezis, it's Fox's highest grossing film of the summer (unless Simpsons shocks everyone and breezes past 100 million).
It's been a weird summer for every tentpole film. Every one of them has dropped dramatically their second and third weeks out.

I predict FF3 will be officially greenlit by year's end, with a holiday season release in 2009.
In the long run, Fox makes more money if they have a trilogy to package (and re-package).

You spend $ 130 on a movie, it will make that domesticly, and more WW. Disapointment ? Yes. Bomb ? No. Catwomen was a bomb. There will be a 3, with Story, Payne, and the same cast. Book it. SR was a mini bomb, only because of the budget, compaired to what it made at the box office. If it cost $ 130 like FF 2 did, it would have been a suscess box office wise. These comments, you must consider the source, and the agenda. Fox gets raked over the coals because they refuse to throw a ton of money at a movie, like sone studios do.

 

[GL's Light]

International box office round-up from Variety:

Pottermania ruled the world as the opening weekend of "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" dominated international moviegoing with a socko $190.3 million from more than 12,000 prints.

The launch represented the third biggest international opening frame ever, trailing only "Spider-Man 3" and "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End."

Warner Bros.' fifth "Potter" pic finished first in all 61 markets in which it opened, setting marks as the biggest four-day launch in the U.K. at $32.5 million, the second-biggest openings ever in Mexico at $10 million and Brazil at $7.1 million and the fifth-largest in Australia at $14.4 million, South Korea at $12.1 million and Italy at $11 million. And its German launch of $18.7 million matched "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" as the top Teutonic opening of the year.

All told, "Phoenix" obliterated any concerns over franchise fatigue as it conjured up the best foreign debut of the five "Potter" films. The quintet's now grossed a collective $2.6 billion overseas and $3.9 billion worldwide, with two more pics -- "Harry Potter and the Half-Blood Prince" and "Harry Potter and the Deathly Hallows" -- coming in 2008 and 2010.

Hollywood's mega-tentpoles continue to connect with international moviegoers this summer. Even though Warner Bros. won't open "Phoenix" in Japan and Russia until next weekend, it conjured the same kind of overwhelming overseas launch as "Spider-Man 3" ($231 million in a six-day foreign debut) and "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" ($216 million in its first five-day weekend and $245 million in its first six days).

With its gangbusters foreign opening, "Phoenix" has also solidified sky-high expectations that it will become the 16th film to gross half a billion dollars overseas -- a distinction shared by "Pirates 3," "Spider-Man 3" and all four previous Potter pics. And with "Transformers," "Shrek the Third" and "Live Free or Die Hard" remaining potent players -- combining for $73 million during the weekend --Hollywood studios kept pedal to the metal with year-to-date grosses 13% ahead of 2006 overseas.

Key international milestone for "Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix" will be matching the perf of "Harry Potter and the Prisoner of Azkaban," the only other pic in the series released during the summer and the lowest grosser at $540 million.

One of the most impressive signs of "Phoenix" fever came in Italy, where studios have opted out of mid-summer openings due to the perceived reluctance of Italians to patronize multiplexes in hot weather. "Phoenix" was the first major pic to open in mid-July in the seven years since "Mission: Impossible 2" and its success will probably pave the way for more Italian summer launches.

Warners didn't announce results from Japanese sneaks for "Phoenix" in advance of Friday's opening. Japan's been by far the top overseas market for the prior "Potter" pics with more than $500 million in grosses, so next weekend's total international takings should top $100 million.

More on the menu

It wasn't all wizards and witches at international multiplexes.

Par's "Transformers" continued to exceed expectations with solid traction outside the United States, landing $35.9 million at 3,793 playdates in 33 territories -- including a foreign launch record in China of $12.6 million over its first five days.

"Transformers" remained respectable in its third South Korean frame with a 47% decline to $5.7 million, boosting the market's cume to $38 million. The Michael Bay vehicle -- which has yet to open in France, Germany, Japan, Mexico and the U.K. -- has already hit $146.4 million overseas.

"Shrek the Third," Par's other summer tentpole, didn't vanish amid competition from Harry Potter, posting a 48% decline to $18.7 million at 5,390 in 54 markets. The ogre's Brit biz slid 51% to $5 million in its third frame, lifting the U.K. cume to $61.1 million; foreign biz has met studio expectations with $361.5 million, or 75% of the final international cume for "Shrek 2," with Italy and Scandinavia still to open.

Fox's "Live Free or Die Hard" took the biggest hit from Harry Potter, sliding 58% to $17.7 million at 6,900 in 49 markets. The actioner fell 62% in soph seshes in the U.K. and France to $3.9 million and $2.6 million, respectively; in Japan, with "Potter" only in sneak screenings, the third frame held nicely with a 24% decline to $2.5 million.

The Bruce Willis actioner, known as "Die Hard 4" overseas, has taken in $123 million overseas so far, in line with studio forecasts, as Fox has held off in key markets such as Italy, Spain and South Korea, where it'll open the pic next weekend. But it's unlikely to match the $260 million international cume for series' prior installment, "Die Hard With a Vengeance."

With rivals mostly clearing out of the way of Harry Potter, the only other significant biz came from a quartet of holdovers -- BVI's "Ratatouille" with $5.8 million at 2,098 in 13 markets and its "Pirates of the Caribbean: At World's End" with $4.4 million at 4,746; Warner's "Ocean's Thirteen" with $4.35 million at 3,400 in 54 territories; and Fox's "Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer" with $3.2 million at 4,000 in 39 markets.

The third "Pirates" has reached $634.8 million internationally, trailing "Pirates of the Caribbean: Dead Man's Chest" by just $7.4 million. Global grosses are at $939 million.

Universal, which has been holding off most of its slate until later in the summer, saw decent Australian biz from its soph sesh of "Knocked Up," down 33% to $2 million for a $6.7 million cume, nearly matching "The 40 Year Old Virigin" in its first foreign market.

Sony, which has stopped reporting "Spider-Man 3" grosses, scared up $1 million for "Hostel 2" at 850, lifting the international cume to $12.3 million.

 

[Spade]

This movie's taking a heck of a beating.

 

[Carp Man]

This movie's taking a heck of a beating.

I wounder how long it will be before they try to make a Power Rangers movie ? How about another Power Puffs movie ? Mabey a Smurf movie ? I'm sure the suscess of TF's is giving studio execs all kinds of nutty ideas. Beating ? I don't think so.

 

[TheVileOne]

You spend $ 130 on a movie, it will make that domesticly, and more WW. Disapointment ? Yes. Bomb ? No. Catwomen was a bomb. There will be a 3, with Story, Payne, and the same cast. Book it. SR was a mini bomb, only because of the budget, compaired to what it made at the box office. If it cost $ 130 like FF 2 did, it would have been a suscess box office wise. These comments, you must consider the source, and the agenda. Fox gets raked over the coals because they refuse to throw a ton of money at a movie, like sone studios do.

Unfortunately it's not as simple as you DESIRE it to be.

Same cast and crew for the second movie, that cost more than the first one and still made less.

Same cast and crew for a third one that would have to cost even MORE money than the second. Despite the series itself not showing good legs as a franchise.

Tomb Raider 2 never got a sequel.

No matter what you guys say, Universal never made a Hulk sequel, even though people talked about it being "greenlit" here several years ago.

 

[GL's Light]

So with the updated international figure from Variety, FF 2 has now made $ 127.1 mil domestic and $ 101.2 mil international for a total of $ 228.3 mil worldwide.

Keeping track of the race to be Fox's # 1 summer film, Die Hard 4 has now grossed $ 225.9 mil worldwide.

My money's on Die Hard.

 

[Spade]

Two other franchises- one of which is just starting what's looking to be another trilogy- stomped on the overall earnings. Fox is making money, but no place near what they could have if they planned this out. If that's not a beating, then I'm not quite sure what would be.

 

[TheVileOne]

I wounder how long it will be before they try to make a Power Rangers movie ? How about another Power Puffs movie ? Mabey a Smurf movie ? I'm sure the suscess of TF's is giving studio execs all kinds of nutty ideas. Beating ? I don't think so.

What's your point?

 

[tviceman]

You spend $ 130 on a movie, it will make that domesticly, and more WW. Disapointment ? Yes. Bomb ? No. Catwomen was a bomb. There will be a 3, with Story, Payne, and the same cast. Book it. SR was a mini bomb, only because of the budget, compaired to what it made at the box office. If it cost $ 130 like FF 2 did, it would have been a suscess box office wise. These comments, you must consider the source, and the agenda. Fox gets raked over the coals because they refuse to throw a ton of money at a movie, like sone studios do.

But you must also consider the trend this franchise currently has at the box office. The first was profitable while the second was less profitable and it cost more to make. If you were a studio exec who has no attachment to Fantastic Four other than $$$, would you want to risk making another one in the face of higher costs and less return on your investment?

Anyone who says this movie bombed is ridiculous. Disappointed is a much better description. As a studio exec, why would anyone want to so quickly hire the same crew and cast so soon in the face of disappointment? Fantastic Four isn't dead. All I'm saying is don't be suprised if the third one takes a little longer and has some significant, behind the scenes, changes.

And hey, sometimes patience and a little change can make all the difference in the world.

 

[Carp Man]

Unfortunately it's not as simple as you DESIRE it to be.

Same cast and crew for the second movie, that cost more than the first one and still made less.

Same cast and crew for a third one that would have to cost even MORE money than the second. Despite the series itself not showing good legs as a franchise.

Tomb Raider 2 never got a sequel.

No matter what you guys say, Universal never made a Hulk sequel, even though people talked about it being "greenlit" here several years ago.

Who gives a **** how much it cost, or how much it makes at the box office ? I sure as hell don't. Just give me a good FF movie, better then the 2nd one, and I'll be happy.

 

[TheVileOne]

Fans sometimes want to ignore reality because it hurts too much.

It seems for years fans in the Punisher section were convinced that a sequel was right around the corner, because the movie didn't bomb and "made money" on DVD and everything.