Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[Malus]

if ff2 finishes with only 130m...is it really going to be looked at as a total failure?

I don't know anyone who didn't consider this a much better film than FF1.

And its box office take is at least respectable. It looks to end up fairly profitable.

So, no.
I don't see how it could -by any rational criteria- be considered a "total failure."

 

[Dragon]

I don't know anyone who didn't consider this a much better film than FF1.

And its box office take is at least respectable. It looks to end up fairly profitable.

So, no.
I don't see how it could -by any rational criteria- be considered a "total failure."

Fox will consider it a failure. Daredevil actually topped it's budget by more than 20 million dollars domestically, but it was a considered a flop. If FF2 only hitrs the break-even mark (which technically it isn't since Fox doesn't see 130 million, but more like 70-80 million) then it's not a success.

 

[Carp Man]

if ff2 finishes with only 130m...is it really going to be looked at as a total failure?

Disapoitment ? Yes. Failure ? No.

 

[Carp Man]

Fox will consider it a failure. Daredevil actually topped it's budget by more than 20 million dollars domestically, but it was a considered a flop. If FF2 only hitrs the break-even mark (which technically it isn't since Fox doesn't see 130 million, but more like 70-80 million) then it's not a success.

Lets look at the facts. DD made $ 102.5 dom. $ 179.2 WW. FF is allready at $ 129 dom. $ 237.1 WW with more overseas markets to open in. DD was in theaters 22 weeks. FF 2 has been in theaters going into its 7th week. So the anology is not the same. FF 2 is much more suscefull than DD ever was. It took DD 22 weeks to make a $ 100million dom. If that's not a failure, I don't know what is. Hulk was in theaters 15 weeks, and made $ 132.1 dom. $ 245.2 WW, and It's geting a sequel. And Hulk cost $ 7 million more than FF 2.

 

[tviceman]

Top 5 Domestic:

1. Spider-Man 3
2. Shrek 3
3. Transformers
4. Pirates 3
5. Harry Potter 5

Top 5 Worldwide:

1. Pirates 3
2. Harry Potter 5
3. Spider-Man 3
4. Transformers
5. Shrek 3

Hmmm... we must think alike. Your list is the exact same as mine, except we have Spidey and Potter flip flopped on the international scene.

 

[WorthyStevens]

Lets look at the facts. DD made $ 102.5 dom. $ 179.2 WW. FF is allready at $ 129 dom. $ 237.1 WW with more overseas markets to open in. DD was in theaters 22 weeks. FF 2 has been in theaters going into its 7th week. So the anology is not the same. FF 2 is much more suscefull than DD ever was. It took DD 22 weeks to make a $ 100million dom. If that's not a failure, I don't know what is. Hulk was in theaters 15 weeks, and made $ 132.1 dom. $ 245.2 WW, and It's geting a sequel. And Hulk cost $ 7 million more than FF 2.

It doesn't matter how long a movie takes to make money, all it matters is the overall profit (which obviously includes how far it exceeds it's budget). DD did fine for it's budget.

 

[Dragon]

Lets look at the facts. DD made $ 102.5 dom. $ 179.2 WW. FF is allready at $ 129 dom. $ 237.1 WW with more overseas markets to open in. DD was in theaters 22 weeks. FF 2 has been in theaters going into its 7th week. So the anology is not the same. FF 2 is much more suscefull than DD ever was. It took DD 22 weeks to make a $ 100million dom. If that's not a failure, I don't know what is. Hulk was in theaters 15 weeks, and made $ 132.1 dom. $ 245.2 WW, and It's geting a sequel. And Hulk cost $ 7 million more than FF 2.

Okay let's talk facts. By week number 7- not 22, DD had made 99 million dollars. 21 million over its production budget. By week number 8 it had topped 100 mil. FF after 7 weeks hasn't made back its budget.

As for the Hulk, its only getting a sequel because Marvel, not Universal is financing it. I truly hope Marvel does restart the FF franchise as well. New cast (The only one I'll miss is Chiklis), new director, new vision.

 

[Mr. Socko]

Wow, this movie doesn't look like it'll make as much as the first. And the budget is much larger this time 'round. So looks like the first was more profitable.

 

[highguard]

Not by me....

Me Neither. If it just makes budget with the domestic take it is not a failure, disappointment yes but failure no.

Go FF.

 

[tviceman]

Well this will be the last week that this film can domestically generate any sort of noticeable revenue whatsoever. Last week FF2 made almost 1.6 million, leaving the grand total at $128,879,368. If somehow it can squeek out 1 million, and it probably should unless it loses most of it's theatres this weekend to new releases, then with the few left over next week it'll make it's budget back here in the U.S.

Once again, failure? No. Disappointment? Yes. Hindsight is a *****, and when looking back on both films, this really isn't a suprise. Too bad as I liked all the actors... by far the biggest knock, in my opinion, was they just needed a much better fleshed out Doom in the first film. That in itself would have made for a way better first movie.

 

[Iron Maiden]

I agree with you.... I really expected this film to make more domestically than the first. I also think the casting is fine, as long as they fire the person who did the wig and makeup for Jessica in ROTSS. t:

For me, the script was the biggest handicap on the first movie and the performers can only work with what they are given. It's lamentable that Avi, who is supposed to have such great love for these characters, signed off on and indeed advocated the changes to Victor Von Doom. At least they made steps in the right direction but when you have 6 to 8 characters to work with in a 90 minute film, it's difficult to do justice to the supporting characters. You even see the same thing happening in the FF comic itself lately. Sue and Reed have been shoved to the sidelines while T'Challa and Storm have been on the team. And Doom has been barely a blip in the Marvel Universe lately, except for out of continuity appearances and Doombot teasers.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

I hope there is a sequel...if only to spite I SEE SPIDEY.

Bring back Story and the gang!

How would that spite me?

 

[Tony Stark]

Actually, Paramount is just distributing Iron Man. Marvel is financing and producing Iron Man themselves. This is the first time Marvel is completely calling the shots, so it'll be interesting to see how they do.

That's pretty much how the first Superman movie was made. Warner only paid to distribute it, the film was entirely financed by the Salkind brothers.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Wow, this movie doesn't look like it'll make as much as the first. And the budget is much larger this time 'round. So looks like the first was more profitable.

Much larger?

 

[Carp Man]

Okay let's talk facts. By week number 7- not 22, DD had made 99 million dollars. 21 million over its production budget. By week number 8 it had topped 100 mil. FF after 7 weeks hasn't made back its budget.

As for the Hulk, its only getting a sequel because Marvel, not Universal is financing it. I truly hope Marvel does restart the FF franchise as well. New cast (The only one I'll miss is Chiklis), new director, new vision.

Forget production budget for a minute. A movie is out 22 weeks, and can only generate 100 million in box office, and only another 70 million in overseas box office, that's failure with a capitol F. I don't care if it cost 2 cents. It's performance was horrible, and that is why it is not getting a sequel. FF 2 much better movie, much better performance. Took 52 days ( 7.4 weeks), to make 100. FF 2 took 12 days. If you can't see the difference, and see that FF 2 is performing better than DD, and if you can't see why there will be a FF 3, and there won't be a DD 2, then you'll have to live in your............... Don't compair FF 2's perfoormance to DD's performance, because there is no comparision. FF 2 is miles ahead. I guess you would consider Elektra a suscess also. It made WW $ 13 million more then it's budget. Elektra 2 is right around the corner. Sheesh. How much profit it makes is 1 factor in wheather it gets a sequel.

 

[GL's Light]

Forget production budget for a minute. A movie is out 22 weeks, and can only generate 100 million in box office, and only another 70 million in overseas box office, that's failure with a capitol F. I don't care if it cost 2 cents. It's performance was horrible, and that is why it is not getting a sequel. FF 2 much better movie, much better performance. Took 52 days ( 7.4 weeks), to make 100. FF 2 took 12 days. If you can't see the difference, and see that FF 2 is performing better than DD, and if you can't see why there will be a FF 3, and there won't be a DD 2, then you'll have to live in your............... Don't compair FF 2's perfoormance to DD's performance, because there is no comparision. FF 2 is miles ahead. I guess you would consider Elektra a suscess also. It made WW $ 13 million more then it's budget. Elektra 2 is right around the corner. Sheesh. How much profit it makes is 1 factor in wheather it gets a sequel.

This is a nonsensical post, Carp. You can't say "forget production budget"; the whole basis of evaluating how well a film performs commercially is based on the return it delivers on its budget. Daredevil grossed 2.3X its production budget, making it a solid moneymaker, albeit slightly below the level that will usually fasttrack a sequel. Elektra grossed only 1.3X its production budget, making it a failure. In all likelihood, FF 2 will have about the same percentage return as Daredevil.

 

[Advanced Dark]

$106,937

+6.5%[COLOR=#00000] / $178[/COLOR]
$129,086,752 / 40

Updated for Tue #'s

 

[Advanced Dark]

I truly hope Marvel does restart the FF franchise as well. New cast (The only one I'll miss is Chiklis), new director, new vision.

I'd love that but the problem is Fox will never let go of those rights. Keep in mind even if it breaks even everyone gets paid and they get to keep the rights without forking out money. However Fantastic Four 2 will make a profit in the end and part 3 will happen. Silver Surfer films also extend the franchise and if Fox wanted too they could probably do an Infinity Gauntlet film or series of films as well to extend the rights. Fox got these rights so cheap. The only way Marvel gets them back is via merger or takeover.

 

[Carp Man]

Tuesdays #'s are in.

FF 2 :

Domestic: $129,086,752 54.4%+ Foreign: $108,158,151 45.6%= Worldwide: $237,244,903

TF's :

Domestic: $268,416,682 58.2%+ Foreign: $192,437,683 41.8%= Worldwide: $460,854,365

HP :

Domestic: $217,083,411 38.2%+ Foreign: $351,300,000 61.8%= Worldwide: $568,383,411

 

[Carp Man]

I'd love that but the problem is Fox will never let go of those rights. Keep in mind even if it breaks even everyone gets paid and they get to keep the rights without forking out money. However Fantastic Four 2 will make a profit in the end and part 3 will happen. Silver Surfer films also extend the franchise and if Fox wanted too they could probably do an Infinity Gauntlet film or series of films as well to extend the rights. Fox got these rights so cheap. The only way Marvel gets them back is via merger or takeover.

Exactually why there will be more. Fox does not want to lose the rights to any of their properties that Marvel sold to them for a song and dance when Marvel was strapped for cash. So that's the main reason there will be a FF 3. The same reason they made FF in 1994. They had no intention of releasing the movie. It was only made so the rights would not be loss. People have to get that into their heads. It's not JUST how much profit it makes. There's copyright considerations, and that drives the movie making. So if Fox can make a movie on the cheep, and it returns a few bucks, so they can keep the rights, the movies will continue to flow, to the delight of the fans.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Tuesdays #'s are in.

FF 2 :

Domestic: $129,086,752 54.4%+ Foreign: $108,158,151 45.6%= Worldwide: $237,244,903

TF's :

Domestic: $268,416,682 58.2%+ Foreign: $192,437,683 41.8%= Worldwide: $460,854,365

HP :

Domestic: $217,083,411 38.2%+ Foreign: $351,300,000 61.8%= Worldwide: $568,383,411

Too late on the FF #'s. Don't try to disguise my FF# dominance by covering them up with more details.

 

[Carp Man]

Too late on the FF #'s. Don't try to disguise my FF# dominance by covering them up with more details.

LOL

 

[Advanced Dark]

^ You're slipping.

 

[Dragon]

I'd love that but the problem is Fox will never let go of those rights. Keep in mind even if it breaks even everyone gets paid and they get to keep the rights without forking out money. However Fantastic Four 2 will make a profit in the end and part 3 will happen. Silver Surfer films also extend the franchise and if Fox wanted too they could probably do an Infinity Gauntlet film or series of films as well to extend the rights. Fox got these rights so cheap. The only way Marvel gets them back is via merger or takeover.

This again is Fox we're talking about. They're hesitant on doing another X-men and X3 actually made money. The tepid response both critically and financially to FF2 shows no one will care if a third is made or not. For that matter even a Surfer movie is in doubt since the FF2 box office reflects no great interest in the Surfer either. Also, when FF3 was announced during the afterglow of a decent opening, they were already talking about another team-up style movie. The problem is that the formula hasn't panned out, and there really are no other characters Fox has access to that could headline a film like the Surfer. Unless the team the FF and Wolverine

 

[WorthyStevens]

Forget production budget for a minute. A movie is out 22 weeks, and can only generate 100 million in box office, and only another 70 million in overseas box office, that's failure with a capitol F. I don't care if it cost 2 cents. It's performance was horrible, and that is why it is not getting a sequel. FF 2 much better movie, much better performance. Took 52 days ( 7.4 weeks), to make 100. FF 2 took 12 days. If you can't see the difference, and see that FF 2 is performing better than DD, and if you can't see why there will be a FF 3, and there won't be a DD 2, then you'll have to live in your............... Don't compair FF 2's perfoormance to DD's performance, because there is no comparision. FF 2 is miles ahead. I guess you would consider Elektra a suscess also. It made WW $ 13 million more then it's budget. Elektra 2 is right around the corner. Sheesh. How much profit it makes is 1 factor in wheather it gets a sequel.

Again, it doesn't matter how long a movie takes to make it's money. The only thing that matters is it's overall profit. And if you want to compare franchises, DD opened in the middle of February, where box office is not as strong as the summer.

You're really grasping at straws here.