Rise of the Silver Surfer BOX OFFICE Discussion

[Spider-Fan]

I love the Simpsons too, but there's no precedent for a TV to big screen animated film like this.

I was initially thinking the film would make 80 million domestically tops. Now it could very well be Fox no. 1 film of the year. No one could have predicted that, you may have hoped for that, but no one actually believed it was going to happen.

I thought it would after I saw FF's numbers. The Simpsons has been running for 18 seasons and is one of the longest running shows ever. That kind of fan base you can't ignore.

 

[tviceman]

It still may. That remains to be seen. Hey, it's all fun and games, and it's all good. If this thread were just about FF 2 box office, it would have been dead long ago, and we'd all be sitting here with our thumbs up our *****, but it has been kept alive, by bringing other elements into play. When these boards get dull, I liven them up, by throwing a stick of C4, with a blasting cap on it in here. t:

In the face of complete, and obvious defeat, you still say it might.

HA!

 

[tviceman]

So will HP 5 beat TF's dom ? We'll see.

You are ridiculously blind.

 

[Carp Man]

You are ridiculously blind.

No I see just fine. t: It's not even an opinion right now. It's a wait and see. The back and forth keeps it interesting. Makes a dull thread exciting. 34 years and counting.

 

[Tony Stark]

HP5 cannot beat Transformers domestically, but it will be significantly higher in world wide Gross.

 

[Tony Stark]

Getting back to the topic, FF was pulled by Fox this last weekend. This is very very bad news for the future of the franchise. Most films will be given a 15 week run, FF was given 7 weeks. The first FF film had a 19 week run.

It also means that the film will come up just shy of covering it's production costs, domestically.

This is just too odd, and smaks that the studio just wanted to kill this project. Along with the sloppy marketing, pulling the ads the same week it was the no. 1 movie in the country.

Honestly my hope now is that Marvel can obtain the character rights, and the film rights and bring them in house ala Hulk. It can then distribute the films under it's new agreement with Paramount, who is now the no. 1 studio in market share.

 

[Carp Man]

Weekend actuals are in :

FF 2:

Domestic: $129,757,156 54.5%
+ Foreign: $108,158,151 45.5%

= Worldwide: $237,915,307

TSM :

Domestic: $74,036,787 100.0%

= Worldwide: $74,036,787

TF's :

Domestic: $284,677,134 59.7%
+ Foreign: $192,437,683 40.3%

= Worldwide: $477,114,817

HP :

Domestic: $242,439,214 35.0%
+ Foreign: $450,000,000 65.0%

= Worldwide: $692,439,214

Pirates :

Domestic: $306,888,712 32.4%
+ Foreign: $640,617,000 67.6%

= Worldwide: $947,505,712

SM 3 :

Domestic: $336,027,292 37.8%
+ Foreign: $552,809,653 62.2%

= Worldwide: $888,836,945

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Getting back to the topic, FF was pulled by Fox this last weekend. This is very very bad news for the future of the franchise. Most films will be given a 15 week run, FF was given 7 weeks. The first FF film had a 19 week run.

It also means that the film will come up just shy of covering it's production costs, domestically.

This is just too odd, and smaks that the studio just wanted to kill this project. Along with the sloppy marketing, pulling the ads the same week it was the no. 1 movie in the country.

Honestly my hope now is that Marvel can obtain the character rights, and the film rights and bring them in house ala Hulk. It can then distribute the films under it's new agreement with Paramount, who is now the no. 1 studio in market share.

I agree; this is not good news at all...the movie was definitely good enough to allow to run its full course (especially considering there was barely any negative buzz surrounding it).

The only thing I can think of is that FOX is going to release the DVD right away within the general 15 week run...but I doubt it. They should just let the franchise go altogether--it's so obvious that they've never really cared about it.

 

[Downhere]

Getting back to the topic, FF was pulled by Fox this last weekend. This is very very bad news for the future of the franchise. Most films will be given a 15 week run, FF was given 7 weeks. The first FF film had a 19 week run.

It also means that the film will come up just shy of covering it's production costs, domestically.

This is just too odd, and smaks that the studio just wanted to kill this project. Along with the sloppy marketing, pulling the ads the same week it was the no. 1 movie in the country.

Honestly my hope now is that Marvel can obtain the character rights, and the film rights and bring them in house ala Hulk. It can then distribute the films under it's new agreement with Paramount, who is now the no. 1 studio in market share.

Where did you hear that it got pulled out early?

 

[Carp Man]

I agree; this is not good news at all...the movie was definitely good enough to allow to run its full course (especially considering there was barely any negative buzz surrounding it).

The only thing I can think of is that FOX is going to release the DVD right away within the general 15 week run...but I doubt it. They should just let the franchise go altogether--it's so obvious that they've never really cared about it.

On that I must hardly agree. It needs to be pulled from Fox. Somehow, someway, Marvel has to get the rights back. Fox pulling it all together is a mistake, if that is the case. I still want to hear it, or read it myself, because I can not really believe they did that. It was still playing this weekend. 390 theaters to be exact.

 

[Dark Knight]

Getting back to the topic, FF was pulled by Fox this last weekend. This is very very bad news for the future of the franchise. Most films will be given a 15 week run, FF was given 7 weeks. The first FF film had a 19 week run.

It also means that the film will come up just shy of covering it's production costs, domestically.

This is just too odd, and smaks that the studio just wanted to kill this project. Along with the sloppy marketing, pulling the ads the same week it was the no. 1 movie in the country.

Honestly my hope now is that Marvel can obtain the character rights, and the film rights and bring them in house ala Hulk. It can then distribute the films under it's new agreement with Paramount, who is now the no. 1 studio in market share.

Is anyone really surprised by this news? Come on guys.....

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Agreed.^ When I say "let it go" I mean, let it go home--to Marvel.

Fox should have NEVER picked up the rights for this franchise. It's too bad this cast can't transfer to Marvel; they deserved better than this.

 

[Carp Man]

Surfer Spin-Off to Give the Origin Story
Like, where'd he buy that surfboard?
by Scott Weinberg | July 30, 2007

If you were among those who found The Silver Surfer the most interesting character (by far) in Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, then one screenwriter has good news for you. We could be looking at a Surfer "origin" story for the guy's spin-off movie.

Screenwriter J. Michael Straczynski told a Comic Con panel that not only will the spin-off contain more of the Surfer (obviously), but also that we'll all delve into the guy's origins, motivations, and overall groovy attitude. According to IGN Movies, here's some of what the scribe had to say: "It picks up right where the FF movie left off and it's designed to answer the questions that were asked in the movie but really weren't dealt with there, which [were]: Where did he come from, why did he become the Surfer and what is he doing here now?"

Mr. Straczynski is an old-school TV veteran who has worked on shows as varied as Jake and the Fatman, Babylon 5, Murder She Wrote, Jeremiah, and He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. No word yet on if we'll be seeing a third (Surfer-free) Fantastic Four flick. Or maybe we did get that word and I just forgot.

Source: IGN Movies

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2_rise_of_the_silver_surfer/news/1657013/

 

[Carp Man]

Agreed.^ When I say "let it go" I mean, let it go home--to Marvel.

Fox should have NEVER picked up the rights for this franchise. It's too bad this cast can't transfer to Marvel; they deserved better than this.

Well that all happened in the early 90's when Marvel was nearly broke, and began to sell off their rights to franchises for make me an offer deals.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Surfer Spin-Off to Give the Origin Story
Like, where'd he buy that surfboard?
by Scott Weinberg | July 30, 2007

If you were among those who found The Silver Surfer the most interesting character (by far) in Fantastic Four: Rise of the Silver Surfer, then one screenwriter has good news for you. We could be looking at a Surfer "origin" story for the guy's spin-off movie.

Screenwriter J. Michael Straczynski told a Comic Con panel that not only will the spin-off contain more of the Surfer (obviously), but also that we'll all delve into the guy's origins, motivations, and overall groovy attitude. According to IGN Movies, here's some of what the scribe had to say: "It picks up right where the FF movie left off and it's designed to answer the questions that were asked in the movie but really weren't dealt with there, which [were]: Where did he come from, why did he become the Surfer and what is he doing here now?"

Mr. Straczynski is an old-school TV veteran who has worked on shows as varied as Jake and the Fatman, Babylon 5, Murder She Wrote, Jeremiah, and He-Man and the Masters of the Universe. No word yet on if we'll be seeing a third (Surfer-free) Fantastic Four flick. Or maybe we did get that word and I just forgot.

Source: IGN Movies

http://www.rottentomatoes.com/m/fantastic_four_2_rise_of_the_silver_surfer/news/1657013/

This really pisses me off. For a while now (Kel pointed some things out that got me thinking) I've had this nagging feeling that FOX was simply using this franchise to establish Surfer. And now that she (the FF franchise) has turned her trick, they are dumping her like a bad ****e on the side of the street to die. And mark my words: Silver Surfer will bomb just as bad as Elektra...and then you'll have two franchises ruined.

God...There is zero integrity at that studio.

 

[Advanced Dark]

Weekend actuals are in :

FF 2:

Domestic: $129,757,156 54.5%
+ Foreign: $108,158,151 45.5%

= Worldwide: $237,915,307

TSM :

Domestic: $74,036,787 100.0%

= Worldwide: $74,036,787

TF's :

Domestic: $284,677,134 59.7%
+ Foreign: $192,437,683 40.3%

= Worldwide: $477,114,817

HP :

Domestic: $242,439,214 35.0%
+ Foreign: $450,000,000 65.0%

= Worldwide: $692,439,214

Pirates :

Domestic: $306,888,712 32.4%
+ Foreign: $640,617,000 67.6%

= Worldwide: $947,505,712

SM 3 :

Domestic: $336,027,292 37.8%
+ Foreign: $552,809,653 62.2%

= Worldwide: $888,836,945

Foreign is actually updated over 110 million per Variety and HReporter. So we're at 240 worldwide. 8 big territories left so hopefully that'll translate into another 40-60 million after all is said and done.

 

[Advanced Dark]

This really pisses me off. For a while now (Kel pointed some things out that got me thinking) I've had this nagging feeling that FOX was simply using this franchise to establish Surfer. And now that she (the FF franchise) has turned her trick, they are dumping her like a bad ****e on the side of the street to die. And mark my words: Silver Surfer will bomb just as bad as Elektra...and then you'll have two franchises ruined.

God...There is zero integrity at that studio.

Don't mistake your personal preferences as a blanket over the Global Audience. It will not bomb as bad as Elektra that's just ridiculous. There's not guarantee it will be a good or bad movie though. Sounds good to me and opens the door in a better way to tie it back into FF3.

 

[Carp Man]

I can see both points of view. I tend to lean a bit more towards AD, but both sound like either one could be right. We'll just have to wait and see. I'll go see it. No question there.

 

[Lightning Strykez!]

Don't mistake your personal preferences as a blanket over the Global Audience. It will not bomb as bad as Elektra that's just ridiculous. There's not guarantee it will be a good or bad movie though. Sounds good to me and opens the door in a better way to tie it back into FF3.

What "global audience"? You mean the "global audience" that's raking in oh-so-huge dollars for the film that's featuring him front-and-center now? Yeah.

AD, you're forgetting that the Surfer's comic was never a huge seller. His fanbase is not significant. He is not an A-lister character for Marvel...and never has been. TRANSLATION: He's not enough to sustain a film series of his own. Let's be frank here: The true test of his appeal was with this film--he was clearly the dangling carrot FOX put before the media and moviegoing horses.

They didn't follow him.

Both this and the proposed Magneto spin-offs are two of the worst ideas that FOX has on board right now...just like I thought Elektra was a stupid idea 3 years ago. The studio doesn't undersand that people don't want to see these B and C-list comic characters by themselves--they want to see them in the ensembles that made them popular in the first place.

But folks never learn.

 

[Carp Man]

What "global audience"? You mean the "global audience" that's raking in oh-so-huge dollars for the film that's featuring him front-and-center now? Yeah.

With this film it would not have mattered if you had put full on Galacuts, and The Surfer it would have performed any better. This movie suffered a temendous backlash from the 1st one. Surfer in his own movie ? It could go either way. If Fox is putting out the money, we all know it will be done on a shoestring. It won't get full justice. Fox is the Wal-Mart of the film industry.

 

[GL's Light]

By the by: this weekend was FF 2's first drop of less than 50%.

 

[tviceman]

I can see both points of view. I tend to lean a bit more towards AD, but both sound like either one could be right. We'll just have to wait and see. I'll go see it. No question there.

Don't let your optimism cloud the view of Fox's track record.

 

[Hunter Rider]

What "global audience"? You mean the "global audience" that's raking in oh-so-huge dollars for the film that's featuring him front-and-center now? Yeah.

AD, you're forgetting that the Surfer's comic was never a huge seller. His fanbase is not significant. He is not an A-lister character for Marvel...and never has been. TRANSLATION: He's not enough to sustain a film series of his own. Let's be frank here: The true test of his appeal was with this film--he was clearly the dangling carrot FOX put before the media and moviegoing horses.

They didn't follow him.

Both this and the proposed Magneto spin-offs are two of the worst ideas that FOX has on board right now...just like I thought Elektra was a stupid idea 3 years ago. The studio doesn't undersand that people don't want to see these B and C-list comic characters by themselves--they want to see them in the ensembles that made them popular in the first place.

But folks never learn.

I agree with this Cal,i think the only spin off that will make huge bank is Wolverine,that is an A list character and Hugh Jackman will protect the movie IMO

 

[tviceman]

What "global audience"? You mean the "global audience" that's raking in oh-so-huge dollars for the film that's featuring him front-and-center now? Yeah.

AD, you're forgetting that the Surfer's comic was never a huge seller. His fanbase is not significant. He is not an A-lister character for Marvel...and never has been. TRANSLATION: He's not enough to sustain a film series of his own. Let's be frank here: The true test of his appeal was with this film--he was clearly the dangling carrot FOX put before the media and moviegoing horses.

They didn't follow him.

Both this and the proposed Magneto spin-offs are two of the worst ideas that FOX has on board right now...just like I thought Elektra was a stupid idea 3 years ago. The studio doesn't undersand that people don't want to see these B and C-list comic characters by themselves--they want to see them in the ensembles that made them popular in the first place.

But folks never learn.

I completely agree with this. And yet another thing going against a stand alone Surfer film was that F42 didn't perform that well. If F42 was honestly liked more by the average Joe it'd have higher ratings on various websites (6.3 on IMDB vs. FF's 5.9, same scores on yahoo and boxofficemojo) but basically, it didn't.

So now not only do you have Fox in charge of the spinoff, it's a B character at best, and you have a spinoff of a movie that underperformed at the box office. Sounds like a recipe for a box office dud.

 

[Malus]

If Fox is putting out the money, we all know it will be done on a shoestring. It won't get full justice. Fox is the Wal-Mart of the film industry.

Dude, I thought you worked for the Evil Empi-- I mean, Wal-mart.