Justice League Brett Ratner is the Latest on the Shortlist

[Xandrea]

I was being sarcastic.

Well silly me.

 

[shauner111]

a whiny robin hood? I didnt think she was whiny, and robin hood? Do people not know her character....?

 

[nogap87]

a whiny robin hood? I didnt think she was whiny, and robin hood? Do people not know her character....?

To me, she was whiney in the movie. A good chunk of her dialogue was complaining about the rich being rich and she came off as bitter destitute ***** who didn't get any enjoyment out of being a thief. Granted, it's just Nolan's vision but it did nothing for me.

 

[DoomsdayApex]

Other than 'The Ball' scene and the quick quips about Bruce going broke, where else exactly did she complain about the rich being rich?

As for the Selina Kyle inhibiting a bitter destitute *****, if that's how you interpreted her, that's great but I'm honesty trying to see the image you've created, and it ain't flowing.

 

[The Guard]

Selina wasn't whining about the rich being rich...she was trying to justify her actions, and whining about not being allowed to escape the mistakes she'd made in the past because she'd done what she had to do.

And she clearly enjoyed thievery. She was having a blast. Or she was at least pretending to.

 

[nogap87]

Other than 'The Ball' scene and the quick quips about Bruce going broke, where else exactly did she complain about the rich being rich?

As for the Selina Kyle inhibiting a bitter destitute *****, if that's how you interpreted her, that's great but I'm honesty trying to see the image you've created, and it ain't flowing.

I didn't create the image. That's how I saw her. Obviously you saw something else. More power to ya. I'm gonna stop right here since neither one of us needs to be a genius to realize we aren't going to see eye to eye on this (off topic) subject. No point in having an argument/debate that never ends.

 

[Marvin]

I didn't create the image. That's how I saw her. Obviously you saw something else. More power to ya. I'm gonna stop right here since neither one of us needs to be a genius to realize we aren't going to see eye to eye on this (off topic) subject. No point in having an argument/debate that never ends.

oh come now, nogap, that's what they invented online forums for, you know you love it.

 

[Lily Adler]

SELINA: Excuse me I thought this was the Brett Ratner thread not the Catwoman thread... It is?

THEN GET BACK ON TOPIC!!!

 

[nogap87]

oh come now, nogap, that's what they invented online forums for, you know you love it.

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I do but I hate Nolan/Batman arguments. They tend to go from rational to...something else. Everybody in this thread is cool and I hope it stays that way.

 

[Marvin]

At the risk of going even further off topic...

He finds a group of people who will accept him despite his differences, and returns to save his father because he cares about him, even though his father was ashamed of him.

I get that, it's all there in the story and easy to analyze. It's just the way he was treated by the plot. All of six words or something and then that cameo at the end. The idea that he finds people that accept him is more on the show don't tell side of things. If that was the idea I suggest they actually give him a scene of dialogue with said Xmen, perhaps Xavier himself(obvious really).

Full of what sort of thing?

Hating on The Danger Room sequence is one ofthe things I've never understood. Its a pretty well realized sequence. The dialogue is a tad awkward in places, but that's also in part because Storm is trying to get Logan to take things seriously and he's cracking jokes. Its meant to clash a bit.

The Sentinel thing...it's a Sentinel nod in a training exercise. It's never really been that big a deal to me.

Danger Room sequences have pretty much always been "tacked on". The only time they're really a huge part of the story is when The Danger Room came to life and became a sentient being.

Beast had some fantasti momens. When it came to combat, he looked about as good as he was going to look...certainly no better or worse than Hoult's Beast, or any number of similar characters over the years.

All of those things, it's more the direction that stands out to me. That line delivery, especially about them not being ready..just comes out of no where. I get the clash but maybe a few more takes to choose from would have helped(Perhaps maybe if it came out of the proper characters, not that I'm one of those fans). Then there's the execution of the sentinel. I get that it was all about the mise en scene but they maybe pushed that too far with jackman walking out from behind the prop head like he just left craft service.
The danger room can be tacked on at times, then like you said, there's Whedon's awesome Danger arc.

I think Beast was more accepted in first class because of the value he brought to the development of everything. From designing things to running fast to really transforming into that animal. All that came before probably help get the audience behind any inconsistencies in the action. That begin said Vaughn's action has consistently been better than Ratners. Having seen Rush Hour 3 recently I see the style Ratner goes for with physical action. He really doesn't do much work to cover up the wire stuff. I also don't think he's inventive enough. Whereas most of Vaughs action beats in all his films take on an inventive life of their own(Kick ass). The flying was particularly well done in XFC whereas Storms...were clumsy and the wire work wasn't all that hidden know what I mean?

What do you mean he lost his presence?

This may have been a matter of the characters journey and the fact that this was the second sequel but Magento in Xmen struck me as far more commanding. His first appearance was menacing and really threatening and he did so much acting with his eyes(like when Sabertooth messed up). The context and directing in X3 just had him running around trying to keep up I found. Like when he showed up at the jeans house the second time. Very pedestrian. Maybe it was the fact that there was someone stronger than him walking around, however being incarcerated in X2 didn't hurt his presence in my eyes. I suppose he got some of it back in the third act. I did find everything he had to do with mystic particularly well done.

Funny enough I found an old animatic of the full danger room scene online. I wonder if I should blame Ratner for the changes...I do have a feeling Vaughn would have juiced it up though.
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[Micromind]

Marvel Studios has hired many "safe" directors and had success, like Louis Leterrier, Jon Favreau, Joe Johnston even Joss Whedon was not exactly big director before Avengers.

So, having a "safe" director is not really a bad thing.

 

[Majik1387]

I don't see how Marvel Studio movies are "safe" compared to other comic movies.

 

[nogap87]

Rush Hour 3 was never going to have great action and should have never been made. Jackie was too old and the movie suffered greatly because of that.

Its been six years since X3 so I'm sure Ratner has improved his wire stuff. Maybe.

 

[Micromind]

Maybe, I should have used the term "journeyman" director.

Marvel movies are what I would call "safe" movies as they are not like Watchmen- an intense movie for mature demographic, or like SR which had for the first time a hero who had a son out of a wedlock, or as in TDK which explores the impact of chaos on Gotham's population by mob and Joker. Or like V for Vendetta, which showed resistance to authoritarian rule.

Safe DC movie was Green Lantern, but that was a box office failure due to studios execs' interference.

 

[The Guard]

All of those things, it's more the direction that stands out to me. That line delivery, especially about them not being ready..just comes out of no where. I get the clash but maybe a few more takes to choose from would have helped(Perhaps maybe if it came out of the proper characters, not that I'm one of those fans). Then there's the execution of the sentinel. I get that it was all about the mise en scene but they maybe pushed that too far with jackman walking out from behind the prop head like he just left craft service.
The danger room can be tacked on at times, then like you said, there's Whedon's awesome Danger arc.

"They're not ready" is a pretty organic and natural introductory line. It stems from the young X-Men not being ready. Which we had just seen. It sets up one of the arcs for the young X-Men in the film.

Whedon's "Danger" arc is about the Danger Room coming to life. It's not the norm for the Danger Room in the least, and certainly not the kind of thing you'd expect to see the first time the Danger Room is introduced on film.

The only thing we don't get to see is actual "instruction" in the Danger Room like in FIRST CLASS, which I'll admit, worked quite well. But when the Danger Room's being used to show "We're in over our heads", the lines and moments work perfectly well in conext.

I think Beast was more accepted in first class because of the value he brought to the development of everything. From designing things to running fast to really transforming into that animal. All that came before probably help get the audience behind any inconsistencies in the action.

Grammar's Beast brought plenty of value to X3 in several ways, and he moved in beastlike ways as well. The design is based on the most popular/longest running/best known Beast design. I don't now what you mean by "inconsistencies" in the action.

That begin said Vaughn's action has consistently been better than Ratners.

His 12 year old ninja action has been. The rest? Not so much. His wirework, specifically his work with that jetpack, hasn't been any more impressive than what the average director has done.

Having seen Rush Hour 3 recently I see the style Ratner goes for with physical action. He really doesn't do much work to cover up the wire stuff. I also don't think he's inventive enough.

Inventive enough in what sense?

Whereas most of Vaughs action beats in all his films take on an inventive life of their own(Kick ass). The flying was particularly well done in XFC whereas Storms...were clumsy and the wire work wasn't all that hidden know what I mean?

No. I don't. I don't know what people are looking for when it comes to flying wirework. Just because you know its on wires doesn't mean it looks like the character is on wires. Storm's first flight, as I recall, is a spinning/tornado type thing at Jean's house that does not look like they're having any awkward wire issues in the least. The wirework in X3 was quite smooth compared to previous X-Men films. I recall fans praising it in comparison.

This may have been a matter of the characters journey and the fact that this was the second sequel but Magento in Xmen struck me as far more commanding. His first appearance was menacing and really threatening and he did so much acting with his eyes(like when Sabertooth messed up). The context and directing in X3 just had him running around trying to keep up I found. Like when he showed up at the jeans house the second time. Very pedestrian. Maybe it was the fact that there was someone stronger than him walking around, however being incarcerated in X2 didn't hurt his presence in my eyes. I suppose he got some of it back in the third act. I did find everything he had to do with mystic particularly well done.

I think it may just be that you don't remember the film terribly well.

If anything, he was quieter and LESS commanding in X-MEN and X2. In X-MEN, he was almost begrudging when he gave orders. In X2, he didn't give orders so much as mocked other people's with a sense of superiority, but he was still fairly soft spoken. In X3, when it called for it, he was a full on mutant general. His presence actually built in X3, and became greater and more intense. And McKellan never stopped acting with his eyes. That's one of the best tools he has.

Running around trying to keep up? I have no idea what you mean by that. Magneto's actions were the main threat for much of the film, and they drove much of the plot in X3. It was the other characters reacting and trying to keep up with him, not the other way around.

You realize that when Magneto and Xavier and Jean show up at Jeans house and they're just kind of walking in...that's supposed to be pedestrian and low key. It was a directorial choice, not Ratner not having any better ideas. Its showing the veneer of civility between Erik and Charles and a recognition of the stakes. Its a solemn moment. This is then juxtaposed with mutant combat/powers/action when things get out of hand.

Funny enough I found an old animatic of the full danger room scene online. I wonder if I should blame Ratner for the changes...I do have a feeling Vaughn would have juiced it up though.

The only major change in the action is Colossus getting grabbed by the Sentinel's coil. That's probably a budget issue.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

Too. Much. To. Read.

 

[Majik1387]

Do what I do and just skip it. Brett Ratner doesn't deserve walls of forum posts.

 

[ThePowerCosmic]

I thought I was the only one skipping the word walls. You people have far too much time on your hands. It's headache-inducing.

 

[Jake Cassidy]

I did skip it. I've skipped half of this thread.

 

[The Ironstar]

Sorry,I didn't read through all the posts to see if this was posted here. It's late and need to sleep.

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[kewlmatto]

Brett Ratner can make decent films. Red Dragon is quite a good movie. But his track record is far more miss than hit, and when it comes to comic adaptations, the wheels truly fall off.

Sadly he is a real yes-men for studios, so I can see why WB might be considering him. But he's not 'safe' like some of the others people have mentioned here. He could potentially destroy JL and we could have a repeat of Green Lantern.

I don't think this will happen, but it does sadden me to see his name attached.

 

[KangConquers]

Maybe, I should have used the term "journeyman" director.

Marvel movies are what I would call "safe" movies as they are not like Watchmen- an intense movie for mature demographic, or like SR which had for the first time a hero who had a son out of a wedlock, or as in TDK which explores the impact of chaos on Gotham's population by mob and Joker. Or like V for Vendetta, which showed resistance to authoritarian rule.

Yet at the end of the day, I'd take Avengers, Iron Man and Captain America over any of the movies you mentioned (Save TDK). Just because something's "unsafe" doesn't mean it's high quality.

I thought Watchmen basically proved Allan Moore right; that the book wasn't filmable. What Snyder turned out was a stylized piece of garbage with mediocre performances.

The Son out of wedlock thing wasn't "Brave". It was a horrible plot twist. I think you're really reaching for straws there. There's a difference between something being a brave artistic move and something being the product of poor writing.

 

[Project862006]

the guard you reply wayyyyyyyyyyyyyyy too much do you really have to have 20 quotes with replies in 1 post lol

 

[Rowsdower!]

Is it just me, or are there WAY to many threads on this board where we debate the reasons why DC/WB can't get their cinematic superhero universe off the ground? I mean, I know there are plenty of different sides to the argument, but good God, enough already. It's annoying when you're excited about a movie and you have to listen to 20 people tell you why it will be absolutely horrible before they've even hired the director or cast any of the roles.

 

[shauner111]

God i hope this thread is abandoned soon. Ratners name in the thread title is giving me a headache among other things.