Captain Marvel Brie Larson is Captain Marvel!

[HunBoy]

 

[Abudefduf]

Some pictures of Brie from yesterday's Women in Film.

The speech that she gave there is making a lot of morons mad.

 

[NotNickFury]

Not that Larson's ever been known for her tact, but of course there'd be hoopla over her words on critics and color. It'd be strange if there wasn't any news about that.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

What did she say?

 

[Abudefduf]

http://www.indiewire.com/2018/06/brie-larsons-i-do-not-hate-white-dudes-lack-of-inclusion-film-critics-1201974617/

Larson continued, “[Audiences] are not allowed enough chances to read public discourse on these films by the people that the films were made for. I do not need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work for him about ‘[A] Wrinkle in Time.’ It wasn’t made for him. I want to know what it meant to women of color, to biracial women, to teen women of color, to teens that are biracial.”

This is the part that is getting all the easily-outraged white dudes mad.

 

[terry78]

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[Kuwolski]

Let's be honest, the comments were stupid and serve as much purpose for being a divider as they do words of inspiration. Extremely disappointed in this woman. This is the new leader of the MCU? Not worthy in my books. Bring people together, it's a pretty straight forward concept.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Let's be honest, the comments were stupid and serve as much purpose for being a divider as they do words of inspiration. Extremely disappointed in this woman. This is the new leader of the MCU? Not worthy in my books. Bring people together, it's a pretty straight forward concept.

I am a dude in my 40's. I get where she's coming from. Granted I am Hispanic so... Yeah I see where certain voices were practically invisible for a long time in media and entertainment in a way others might not.

 

[Kuwolski]

I am a dude in my 40's. I get where she's coming from. Granted I am Hispanic so... Yeah I see where certain voices were practically invisible for a long time in media and entertainment in a way others might not.

I just don't get how we've come to a point in society where people think it's a good idea to tear one group down in order to pull another one up? Surely there is a more common sense approach to this? This tact just creates dividing lines.

I also feel she's being a tad hypocritical when she says "I do not need a 40-year-old white dude to tell me what didn’t work for him about ‘[A] Wrinkle in Time.’ It wasn’t made for him...I want to know what it meant to women of color, to biracial women, to teen women of color, to teens that are biracial.". Considering she's a rich white woman preaching on the behalf of said minorities, perhaps she is also out of place speaking for them. Just a thought.

She deserves some flack for this imo. She should also get some perspective of her place in the world compared to the people who are actually living in the trenches.

 

[flickchick85]

The comments don't seem that stupid to me, and there should be more diversity in film criticism just as much as we need it in the film industry. I just think A Wrinkle in Time might not have been the best example to use, because I think even the audience it was made for seemed to find that film to be a letdown.

Also, you don't have to be a woman of color to advocate for more representation for women of color. Unfortunately, the rich white people are the ones with the majority platforms in Hollywood, so if some of them want to advocate for people with less representation, I say go for it. It's better than keeping quiet and turning a blind eye, which is how this systemic problem developed in the first place.

 

[Kuwolski]

The comments don't seem that stupid to me, and there should be more diversity in film criticism just as much as we need it in the film industry. I just think A Wrinkle in Time might not have been the best example to use, because I think even the audience it was made for seemed to find that film to be a letdown.

Also, you don't have to be a woman of color to advocate for more representation for women of color. Unfortunately, the rich white people are the ones with the majority platforms in Hollywood, so if some of them want to advocate for people with less representation, I say go for it. It's better than keeping quiet and turning a blind eye, which is how this systemic problem developed in the first place.

The message is not the issue, it's the condescending manner in which it was delivered. You can deliver the message, a lot of which has to do with respect, in a more respectful way. Praise this group and screw that group can do as much harm as good. But thankfully we have a twenty something actress to critique folks on what they should and shouldn't give opinions on.

 

[Abudefduf]

Extremely disappointed in this woman. This is the new leader of the MCU?

She's not. Her character is.

Also, Larson is doing more than just speaking on minorities' behalf, she's actively working with some of them. Just one example:

Valerie Vza Complex @ValerieComplex
Bc essentially, Brie Larson implemented our ideas into practice and took it from paper to actional goals, so you definitely have a problem with me if you have a issue with this

I mean, it's not for no reason that so many women critics are praising her for what she's doing.

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Lol, accurate.

 

[Kuwolski]

Larson is doing more than just speaking on minorities' behalf, she's actively working with some of them.

Kudos to her, next she should learn about public speaking.

 

[KRYPTON INC.]

Why is it that the very same folk that say everyone else is too sensitive about words turn around and gripe about being picked on when there is even the slightest criticism, often warranted (and yeah, sometimes over blown and unwarranted too, I will admit) thrown their direction? I thought it was only the hyper sensitive SJWs that needed to grow thicker skins about "mere words"?

 

[Kuwolski]

Why is it that the very same folk that say everyone else is too sensitive about words turn around and gripe about being picked on when there is even the slightest criticism, often warranted (and yeah, sometimes over blown and unwarranted too, I will admit) thrown their direction? I thought it was only the hyper sensitive SJWs that needed to grow thicker skins about "mere words"?

Are you speaking to me or in general? I agree with your sentiments. It's too bad true individualism and humanism is being swallowed up by over-simplistic grotesque ideologies and blatant hypocrisy. Brie is harmless at the end of the day, I just see her comments as the most innocent tip of something that goes far deeper and darker. Group think trumps all (pun intended).

 

[Tekic]

Honestly, I'm a black guy and I'm not too fond of Brie Larson's comments either. Black people just talking how "special" or "important' a movie is does not entice me to go see that movie. People (of any color) telling me how overall good the movie is does. Comments like one Brie made just feel like something that will divide people even further. I'm sure that's absolutely not her intention at all, but think that's what it's going to cause. So white men shouldn't put out reviews for movies that have a mainly poc/female cast because they can't relate to them? Is there anything about A Wrinkle in Time that made relatable to black people and women other than it happened to have a main character that's a black girl? Brie makes it sound like white male critics never give positive reviews to movies with a poc/female cast or main character. The Barbershop movies, Black Panther, Straight Outta Compton, Ocean's 8, Girls Trip, Get Out are just a few off the top of my head. Should we ignore the opinion of the white male critics for these movies too even though they're positive? I'm not trying to be clever or present a "gotcha" argument. I'm just saying that I can't stand by this kind of thinking. Opinions from all kinds of people on any piece of entertainment or subject matter is important. Trying to enforce what people can or can't have an opinion on just encourages people to be more separate in my opinion. There's nothing wanting more diversity in film critics, but framing it as "white men are doing something wrong because they're white men" is going to create push back (and not just from white men, whether you want to believe that or not). There's better ways to go about it.

Anyway, that's my 2 cents. I'm not trying to get into any race/gender debate here.

 

[chamber-music]

I think it depends on the critic. Some critics really can't step out of their own bubble and see what might appeal to others. Some critics can.

I think people give film critics too much power. I don't need other people's opion to determine what movies I choose to see.

A Wrinkle in Time is a bad example because Ava Duvaney said she specifically made the movie for 7 to 14 year old girls and obviously people that age aren't film critics and that audience do not read film reviews.

 

[NotNickFury]

Perhaps Larson sees herself as a savior of sorts if she's speaking on behalf of minorities, but I don't know anyone that has a medal to pin on her.

 

[Abudefduf]

Are you implying that white people should never speak in favor of minorities? And why would she need a medal when she already has a Hala star?

 

[NotNickFury]

Oh, a Hala star? Bravo. But no, that's not what I'm implying. Do I believe she or any White person who speaks in favor of minorities is completely genuine? Not at all. But that's a completely different conversation.

 

[warhorse78]

Let's be honest, the comments were stupid and serve as much purpose for being a divider as they do words of inspiration. Extremely disappointed in this woman. This is the new leader of the MCU? Not worthy in my books. Bring people together, it's a pretty straight forward concept.

I agree. I just saw this on my newsfeed. I'm a white female, and I felt a bi ticked off to dis an entire genre, especially the genre that gave this ignorant woman her job. I have no intentions of seeing Captain Marvel now, I feel she doesn't deserve my hard earned money.

 

[Yowza]

As the saying goes, a lot of actors dream of being politicians while politicians dream of being actors.

A lot of the actors Marvel has hired are very socially proactive and exceedingly liberal. That being said I don't take offense to the speech. Most actors have some social message they like to convey while accepting an award. Her words were obviously placed to draw her message out through the media while avoiding going too far.

 

[Aximili86]

Yeah, not really digging her take on things there.

Shouldn't Captain Marvel work on her own esteem, for everyone, as a superhero on her own merits? Wonder Woman did. You don't need to be running around with this "who cares what someone older-than-millennial and in possession of a penis thinks - this is aimed at youthful women!" crap.

Ehh, Brie seems cool though. She's better than this.

 

[Abudefduf]

Speaking of doing things on behalf of other people, it's interesting how many of you are getting offended on behalf of 40-year-old white dudes.

I'm a white female, and I felt a bi ticked off to dis an entire genre, especially the genre that gave this ignorant woman her job. I have no intentions of seeing Captain Marvel now, I feel she doesn't deserve my hard earned money.

I'm shocked, you seemed really excited and positive about this movie. Out of curiosity, when did she diss an entire genre? Are you saying she dissed superhero movies? What am I missing.

 

[Murdock103]

I don’t see the issue with what she said (as a white dude).

She isn’t saying that she doesn’t care what 40 year old white guys think in general. She’s talking about how she doesn’t care if old white guys don’t like a movie made for young black women/girls.

That makes sense to me.

This has nothing to do with Captain Marvel, Marvel in general, or even four quadrant blockbusters.
If she had said ‘when Captain Marvel comes out, I don’t care what those old white men think’ i might have an issue, as clearly Captain Marvel will be a movie wanting to appeal to everyone.

But getting upset because she says that a wrinkle in time, a movie for young black women/girls, should probably be reviewed by such, makes sense.