Captain Marvel Brie Larson is Captain Marvel!

[abcfsk]

BUT that doesn't change the fact that what she said was highly controversial, and when someone says something controversial there is backlash.

No it wasn't. That's a highly subjective opinion. And to most people it wasn't remotely controversial.

 

[liveman789]

Her comment was stupid, but people are definitely overreacting.

Makes me wonder how this is gonna end up performing. Also makes me really hope she isn't scared out of the role. Hopefully this passes easily.

 

[Hand Banana]

Jesus Christ...

 

[Spider-Fan]

She didn't mention that her press pool consisted mostly in white men?
She didn't say that her movie wasn't made for a 40 year old white dude?

I'm not even going to debate whether what she said was right or wrong. That isn't the point here. You may agree or disagree with her comments. You may believe that people are overreacting. BUT that doesn't change the fact that what she said was highly controversial, and when someone says something controversial there is backlash.

Furthermore, how do you know most people who downvoted the movie didn't actually read her comments? There's simply no way to know. You can't say people are hating her for things she didn't say because you don't really know that.

Plus, those aren't the only two controversial things she's said. Her Tweet after Stan Lee's dead received backlash and she had to delete it. Same for her Tweet about a TSA agent asking for her number.

The people who run RT can tell where their numbers of people voting are coming from. So if you get a whole slew of new accounts from the same IPs, or bots spamming the page, etc. They know. Thus they can tell if someone is trolling the page.

 

[PacificBoy]

There's both trolling and brigading involved. When merely checking out a Captain Marvel featurette snares one or two of those anti videos under recommended, it's a sure sign of an organised effort to push them into visibility.

RT has the tools and analytics to determine that, and this issue has been coming to a head anyway. A 'I'm not seeing the movie because Brie is a SJW and hates white men' comment says nothing about the movie and everything about the commentator as a wanker.

Removing the comments is as straightforward a business decision as can be.

 

[Shuri]

Jesus Christ...

So they are now comparing Brie to Hitler.

 

[BoredGuy]

anybody else ever wish they could pull a Jay and Silent Bob and show up at these asshat's houses?

Too many stupid f***ing people on this planet

 

[David H.]

 

[Claude_Speed]

Rotten Tomatoes seems to disagree.



Rotten Tomatoes took no action on the prior examples, but chose to here and even admit themselves what happened. Seems pretty cut and dry.

Here's the problem: RT will say and do whatever they think it's best for their business. They noticed the backlash on their website and decided they wanted no part of it (some would argue it was a mistake). Then they justified their actions by saying it was due to the trolls. Of course, you wouldn't expect them to say "we no longer want people to express their dislike for this movie so we're shutting the poll down", would you?

At the end of the day, whatever RT says is irrelevant as they don't have a way to know who's voting in their polls or their motivations. They don't really know whether they are trolls or not. They just assume they are, just like media and fans did before the poll was even shut down.

I mean, we're talking about a poll. How do you troll a poll? By voting in it? Isn't that the point polls? If they detected votes from same IP adresses then they could have simply blocked them, which is what other websites do.

 

[Claude_Speed]

No it wasn't. That's a highly subjective opinion. And to most people it wasn't remotely controversial.

If it caused controversy then by definition it was controversial. Simple as that.

 

[BoredGuy]

its true
it was pretty controversial amongst idiots and a**holes the world over

but anyways
I loved the blue carpet and the big Captain Marvel symbol and her blue dress and everything about that premiere:

Although, tbh, I think BP's Purple Carpet still takes the cake

 

[Claude_Speed]

The people who run RT can tell where their numbers of people voting are coming from. So if you get a whole slew of new accounts from the same IPs, or bots spamming the page, etc. They know. Thus they can tell if someone is trolling the page.

Wait, you think this is the first time people ever try to downvote a movie on RT?

It's a movie rating site. Multiple accounts, bots, etc. those are extremely common on rating sites. You think they don't have any countermeasures to this and their only solution is to shut down the poll? Come on.

If that was the case, hundreds of movies would have their ratings shut down.

 

[Heretic]

My girlfriend said that Brie was saying in an interview that she didn't like working with the cats due to allergy and that her answer wasn't the best and kind of rubbed my girlfriend the wrong way (my girlfriend loves cats). Anyone have the quote?

 

[Mysteryman]

She didn't mention that her press pool consisted mostly in white men?
She didn't say that her movie wasn't made for a 40 year old white dude?

I'm not even going to debate whether what she said was right or wrong. That isn't the point here. You may agree or disagree with her comments. You may believe that people are overreacting. BUT that doesn't change the fact that what she said was highly controversial, and when someone says something controversial there is backlash.

Furthermore, how do you know most people who downvoted the movie didn't actually read her comments? There's simply no way to know. You can't say people are hating her for things she didn't say because you don't really know that.

Plus, those aren't the only two controversial things she's said. Her Tweet after Stan Lee's dead received backlash and she had to delete it. Same for her Tweet about a TSA agent asking for her number.
Brie was referring to the press pool for Awrinkle in time and that is the movie that she said wasn’t made for 40 year old white men.

 

[Claude_Speed]

Brie was referring to the press pool for Awrinkle in time and that is the movie that she said wasn’t made for 40 year old white men.

I know.

 

[Mysteryman]

So they are now comparing Brie to Hitler.

Ridiculous isn’t it.?

 

[I Am The Knight]

I just think it's humorous that there's a legion of presumably white men offended by this woman. She doesn't strike as the most self aware at times (that "thinking about Stan Lee" photo and "some guy asking for my number is my #MeToo moment!" stuff comes to mind) but I think she is absolutely trying do the right thing by calling out the inequalities that she sees in representation. Sure she is a celebrity, but speaking her mind in a business that prefers to not deal with it's own mess and dealing with the hate that she gets...I think she is rather brave and I respect her for that.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Wait, you think this is the first time people ever try to downvote a movie on RT?

It's a movie rating site. Multiple accounts, bots, etc. those are extremely common on rating sites. You think they don't have any countermeasures to this and their only solution is to shut down the poll? Come on.

If that was the case, hundreds of movies would have their ratings shut down.

But in this case, it was active sabotage. That's what you're not getting. Not every movie that gets a lot of negative votes out interest is done so with bots and fake accounts. That is the difference.

 

[Mysteryman]

Personally I am glad RT took action.
Kudos to them for acting responsibly.

 

[Mysteryman]

I just think it's humorous that there's a legion of presumably white men offended by this woman. She doesn't strike as the most self aware at times (that "thinking about Stan Lee" photo and "some guy asking for my number is my #MeToo moment!" stuff comes to mind) but I think she is absolutely trying do the right thing by calling out the inequalities that she sees in representation. Sure she is a celebrity, but speaking her mind in a business that prefers to not deal with it's own mess and dealing with the hate that she gets...I think she is rather brave and I respect her for that.

I just hope that all of the hate backfires and results in great box office for the film.

 

[Holy Slapper]

She didn't mention that her press pool consisted mostly in white men?
She didn't say that her movie wasn't made for a 40 year old white dude?

I'm not even going to debate

The part in bold is the equivalent of what you and these incels are doing. Taking one line and leaving out the rest. Can you post the rest of those quotes or do we have to it for you and bear witness to how you'll try to spin it?

 

[Donner]

The incels and the posters that can't move past this need to get a life. People say stupid **** sometimes. Karl Lagerfeld said that women who don't want to be groped shouldn't become models and it didn't hurt his brand or Chanel's in any way. And that's only the tip of the iceberg when it comes to stuff that he said.

The way it looks, and especially because incels are involved, men can get away with saying stupid stuff but women can't. FFS, people are more obsessed over Brie Larson's tweets than they are over Liam Neeson talking about wanting to kill black men.

 

[I Am The Knight]

She never said that her movie wasn't made for 40 year old white dudes but you know, a movie like Captain Marvel was probably not made with 40 year old white dudes in mind...Just saying. It's like these guys can't stand that the movie might not cater to them.

 

[roxas99]

Wait, you think this is the first time people ever try to downvote a movie on RT?

It's a movie rating site. Multiple accounts, bots, etc. those are extremely common on rating sites. You think they don't have any countermeasures to this and their only solution is to shut down the poll? Come on.

If that was the case, hundreds of movies would have their ratings shut down.

the "want to see" score on RT was being weaponized by trolls

If you need any proof just look at how fast the "want to see" score for Star wars IX suddenly started dropping right after the Captain marvel attacks started. Star Wars: Episode IX had been up on RT for a while with a very high "want to see" score but it was only after Captain marvel that suddenly its score started magically dropping lol

that suggest to me that trolls quickly realized that they now had a powerful weapon that they could use to smear and Damage any movie they dislike. had Rotten tomatoes not stepped in they would have used this to go after any future comic book movie staring a woman or a person of color

I hate to see what Black panther 2 or even wonder woman 2 scores would have looked liked had Rotten tomatoes let that craziness continue

 

[Donner]

Brie Larson Cried A Lot At The Gym While Training For 'Captain Marvel'

Good for her. Especially since the studio didn't tell her she had to train.