The Dark Knight Bruce and Harveys Relationship....

[Eros]

I'm not sure I understand. Batman can be friends with Gordon, but not Dent? What's the difference, really? As someone else said, Gordon and Dent should be very similar, and therefore be friends themselves. So if Batman and Gordon are friends, and Gordon and Dent are friends, shouldn't Batman and Dent be friends?

That's another advantage to Batman/Dent, the way Batman and Gordon handle it together. After Dent's fall, we can have scenes of Batman and Gordon discussing the loss of their mutual friend, and working together to bring him back. As opposed to Bruce Wayne losing a drinking buddy and then what? Whining about it to Alfred? This isn't a comic book, so we dont have inner monologue to hear Bruce's feelings on it. Him and Gordon talking about it externalizes that.

its not that, I can't see nolans batman engageing in those kinds of conversations with Gordon about dent. It just doesn't seem like he would consider anyone his friend, morel ike an alley. But still not enough of a "friendship" to show the kind of sympothy batman has shown for dent in the comics.

 

[Katsuro]

its not that, I can't see nolans batman engageing in those kinds of conversations with Gordon about dent. It just doesn't seem like he would consider anyone his friend, morel ike an alley. But still not enough of a "friendship" to show the kind of sympothy batman has shown for dent in the comics.

The comics? You mean the comics where Dent openly showed he doesn't care for rich socialites like Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle?

I think Batman's "friendship" with Dent should be no different than his "friendship" with Gordon. Losing one of your only allies in your war against crime just seems a lot worse than losing your college frat buddy.

 

[Eros]

The comics? You mean the comics where Dent openly showed he doesn't care for rich socialites like Bruce Wayne and Selina Kyle?

I think Batman's "friendship" with Dent should be no different than his "friendship" with Gordon. Losing one of your only allies in your war against crime just seems a lot worse than losing your college frat buddy.

Depends on how close you were with the "frat buddy", then you were with the ally.

 

[StorminNorman]

Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent should NOT be friends.

Batman and Harvey Dent SHOULD be friends.

 

[StorminNorman]

its not that, I can't see nolans batman engageing in those kinds of conversations with Gordon about dent. It just doesn't seem like he would consider anyone his friend, morel ike an alley. But still not enough of a "friendship" to show the kind of sympothy batman has shown for dent in the comics.

Jim Gordan should be much less resistent to bend the rules than the young, passionate, dedicated Harvey Dent. It is this mindset that brings Dent and Batman closer than Gordan and Dent. I am sure Batman would feel more comfortable engaging in 'legally questionable' methods around the young D.A. than the Commish/Capt./Lt./etc.

That would make Dent more of a friends than Gordan and making his loss even more tragic.

 

[Nepenthes]

I'd like to see Dent and Bruce Wayne run into each other at a restaurant and Dent makes an idiot out of Bruce in front of people. Which earns him more respect from Batman.

 

[chosen1]

Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent should NOT be friends.

Batman and Harvey Dent SHOULD be friends.

I strongly disagree. Harvey should be friends w/ both batman and bruce wayne. In fact he should be the only character outside of alfred to have that privledge. Unlike Gordon who forms a friendship w/ only batman.


Why do people think this is a bad Idea? Bruce cant stay a playboy forever so exactly what day does he wake up and become the rich guy who wants to clean up gotham by being on the city board or council and donating to 100's of charities and being loved by gotham citizens. He does become that man doesnt he?

Why cant he be that next film. I want the transformation of dent to twoface to hit bruce hard. It would be a great idea for bruce to know Dent and his wife long before the accident and show how close they were because they REMINDED HIM OF HIS PARENTS SO HE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE COUPLE. and when Dent turns his world kinda shatters.

Bad Idea?????? I dont think so.....

 

[Nepenthes]

You put it that way ^ it's a good idea.

Although it might be too much story for one film.

 

[kytrigger]

I strongly disagree. Harvey should be friends w/ both batman and bruce wayne. In fact he should be the only character outside of alfred to have that privledge. Unlike Gordon who forms a friendship w/ only batman.


Why do people think this is a bad Idea? Bruce cant stay a playboy forever so exactly what day does he wake up and become the rich guy who wants to clean up gotham by being on the city board or council and donating to 100's of charities and being loved by gotham citizens. He does become that man doesnt he?

Why cant he be that next film. I want the transformation of dent to twoface to hit bruce hard. It would be a great idea for bruce to know Dent and his wife long before the accident and show how close they were because they REMINDED HIM OF HIS PARENTS SO HE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE COUPLE. and when Dent turns his world kinda shatters.

Bad Idea?????? I dont think so.....

But it isn't Alfred alone that is friends with Bruce. That is one of the main reaons Katie Holmes was even in it.

My biggest question is when did he and Harvey become such good friends? In college Brice hopped from school to school so he might have met him there, but I doubt it would be some huge, long lasting friendship, and I would assume he didn't meet him after college when he was traveling the world and training in Tibet.

And his world can still shatter if he only knows Harvey as Batman. When batman's world shatters, Bruce's world shatters, it's not like they're completely separate or something.

And I don't see how knowing Harvey before he came to Gotham changes anything on how/when Bruce starts donating to the city. I just figured that since he was now in charge of Wayne Industry that he nowwill start donating their resources.

 

[chosen1]

But it isn't Alfred alone that is friends with Bruce. That is one of the main reaons Katie Holmes was even in it.

My biggest question is when did he and Harvey become such good friends? In college Brice hopped from school to school so he might have met him there, but I doubt it would be some huge, long lasting friendship, and I would assume he didn't meet him after college when he was traveling the world and training in Tibet.

And his world can still shatter if he only knows Harvey as Batman. When batman's world shatters, Bruce's world shatters, it's not like they're completely separate or something.

And I don't see how knowing Harvey before he came to Gotham changes anything on how/when Bruce starts donating to the city. I just figured that since he was now in charge of Wayne Industry that he nowwill start donating their resources.

In a way batman and bruce are seperate people. Because bruce wayne is now his mask. but okay fine and knowing harvey doesnt really have anything to do with him becoming more mature I just added that because someone posted something to the effect that harvey dent would'nt be caught socializaing w/ bruce because he is a playboy and harvey doesnt like him or some garbage i dont know....

 

[chosen1]

You put it that way ^ it's a good idea.

Although it might be too much story for one film.

With all the stuff they put in batman begins.... too much


... and how much screen time would that take?

 

[Adam West]

If they wanted Bruce and Harvey be great friends, they would have replaced Rachel's character in Begins with Harvey Dent. Essentially, Rachel is the crusading assistant DA pushing for change, and her and Bruce are childhood friends. Having Harvey in begins, would have established that him and Bruce were close friends, and would have brought the alliance of Gordon, Dent and Bats together as well. Getting Gassed by Scarecrow would be a good way to start the fracture of Harvey's mind as well.

Since he wasn't put in the story in that fashion, we can only presume that he comes to Gotham to replace Finch, and that Gordon or more likely, Rachel would introduce him to Batman. They aren't going to be fast friends, because Batman "can't afford the luxury of friends". They will have a shaky alliance. I see it going down as Harvey trusting Batman to protect him from Joker and Batman failing. That being where Batman gets his guilt from.

 

[Victarion]

I think that through Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent having no relationship whatsoever (Harvey could even show some disapproval of Bruce's ways), but Bats and Harvey having a relationship is a great way to show how Batman and Bruce Wayne are like two different individuals/personas.

 

[tamron]

I think that through Bruce Wayne and Harvey Dent having no relationship whatsoever (Harvey could even show some disapproval of Bruce's ways), but Bats and Harvey having a relationship is a great way to show how Batman and Bruce Wayne are like two different individuals/personas.

I agree. Dent should scoff at Wayne due to his playboy persona. I think it'd be really cool if Bruce saw Harvey's point and realized there's more he can do as Bruce, and began to do public philanthropic works by the film's end.

 

["V"]

Dent and Wayne shouldn't have a good relationship. Batman and Dent should.

Wayne is a self centred playboy (an act of course) who doesn't care one iota about the state of Gotham. Harvey Dent wouldn't be friends with somebody like that, in fact he would hate them. Somebody with power and money who refuses to make a difference, not Harvey Dent's style.

 

[Artos]

Dent and Wayne shouldn't have a good relationship. Batman and Dent should.

Wayne is a self centred playboy (an act of course) who doesn't care one iota about the state of Gotham. Harvey Dent wouldn't be friends with somebody like that, in fact he would hate them. Somebody with power and money who refuses to make a difference, not Harvey Dent's style.

 

[Eros]

Dent and Wayne shouldn't have a good relationship. Batman and Dent should.

Wayne is a self centred playboy (an act of course) who doesn't care one iota about the state of Gotham. Harvey Dent wouldn't be friends with somebody like that, in fact he would hate them. Somebody with power and money who refuses to make a difference, not Harvey Dent's style.

Bruce started a massive charity foundation in his parents names. People seem to forget, Bruce Wayne slefish playboy perosona is forgotten becasue of his charity work, and him eventually adopting a kid.

 

["V"]

Bruce started a massive charity foundation in his parents names. People seem to forget, Bruce Wayne slefish playboy perosona is forgotten becasue of his charity work, and him eventually adopting a kid.

Well, i'm actually referring to the Begins Universe, and to my knowledge he hasn't done either of those things (yet).

The Bruce the public saw in Begins didn't show any consideration to anybody but himself.

 

[Boom]

Perhaps it can be established in TDK that Bruce Wayne donates money to the city to repair the monorail.

 

[FaT_tONle]

They shouldn't show flashbacks of back when they were in college... Bale is kinda old for that now... but I am not sure you can develop that friendship between Harvey and Bruce in just one movie if they are just meeting for the first time a third of the way into the flick... they should know each other from somewhere

 

["V"]

Why is it so important that they know each other? I think it would feel a bit contrived to have some past history between them, just my opinion though.

Will this Harvey even come from Gotham, though? If so, why isn't he in Begins. Did he move away, or was he just a small time lawyer in Begins?

 

[FaT_tONle]

Its just that with all the elements in this movie already... you wonder if they can fully flesh out this relationship in a two hour flick.... watching TAS you knew there was a lot of history between the two... I just don't know how they will approach this though

 

[StorminNorman]

I strongly disagree. Harvey should be friends w/ both batman and bruce wayne. In fact he should be the only character outside of alfred to have that privledge. Unlike Gordon who forms a friendship w/ only batman.


Why do people think this is a bad Idea? Bruce cant stay a playboy forever so exactly what day does he wake up and become the rich guy who wants to clean up gotham by being on the city board or council and donating to 100's of charities and being loved by gotham citizens. He does become that man doesnt he?

Why cant he be that next film. I want the transformation of dent to twoface to hit bruce hard. It would be a great idea for bruce to know Dent and his wife long before the accident and show how close they were because they REMINDED HIM OF HIS PARENTS SO HE FELL IN LOVE WITH THE COUPLE. and when Dent turns his world kinda shatters.

Bad Idea?????? I dont think so.....

Bruce Wayne HAS to keep some aspect of the playboy identity inorder to preserve his secret identity. If Bruce Wayne is seen as a leader (economically) in the fight to make Gotham clean, it is easy to put two and two together.

Harvey Dent should be disgusted with Bruce Wayne and the privledged society he is apart of. Bruce would of course be invited by the elite, wealthy and corrupt to their parties and what not - Harvey would have to dismiss him as simply another spoiled rich brat.

 

[StorminNorman]

Bruce started a massive charity foundation in his parents names. People seem to forget, Bruce Wayne slefish playboy perosona is forgotten becasue of his charity work, and him eventually adopting a kid.

Eventually - this is still and still should be young Bruce Wayne.

Plus after the headlines Bruce got after his return, any sort of charity foundation would be seen as simply an "image cleaning tour" and it would be fairly dismissed.

 

[Eros]

Eventually - this is still and still should be young Bruce Wayne.

Plus after the headlines Bruce got after his return, any sort of charity foundation would be seen as simply an "image cleaning tour" and it would be fairly dismissed.

young bruce Wayne? Bruce was pushing 30 in Batman begins. non the less the most important aspect of Bruce Wayne, is his charity work, which he uses to help people and honor his parents memory as well.