Bruce's Legacy

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  1. Batman the 6th

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    Besides Dick Grayson and Helena Kyle, what other children did/does Bruce have?
    I thought I read he had like 2 other daughters and another son. Can somone tell me their names and mother? I know Dick and Helena's mother names already.
     
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    Also, Dick I guess has a son James. Does Dick have other children? Do any of the other kids have kids of theri own? Besides Dick, do any of the other children have half siblings fron their mothers? I would really like to know
     
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    He had a son from Talia.
     
  4. ChrisBaleBatman

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    Terry Mcguiness too.
     
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    Did you get that from JLU? I just happened to watch that show tonight and it was an episode that explains how Terry is actually Bruce's son.

    Was actually a good watch too....:eek: :up:
     
  6. ChrisBaleBatman

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    Yup........I'm officially in the Terry bandwagon now......I used to hate him before......but now I like him. And it's pretty cool too......Terry isn't exactly Bruce's clone.....he's really Bruce's son.
     
  7. The Question

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    Umm, Huntress isn't Batman's daughter. She was pre crisis but that was retconned. Now she's Helena Bertinelli. She does subconsiously look to Batman as a father and they do have a relationshp similar to that of a father and his rebelious daughter. And Bruce suposedly had a kid with Talia he doesn't know about, whos about three now. But the jury is still out on wether or not that's still in continuity.
     
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    Really.......a kid with Talia......when did that pop up........heh.......or rather, out.....

    Seriously though, I know it's been made very clear that Bruce and Talia have made love........but a kid?
     
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    There was a 1989 one shot called Son of The Demon, in which Talia had Bruces kid without him knowing about it. No one is sure if that is in continuity or not cause the kid hasn't been mentioned since, but there hasn't been anything to flat out contradict it. I think Ra's, who isn't really dead, has taken the kid to Tibet to train him to either be his heir or take over as Batman. Or both. The kid would probably be just a little over three years old by now.
     
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    The kid is out of continuity. He appeared in Kingdom Come I believe.
     
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    Wouldn't Talia use the kid as means to force herself into Bruce's life......? Bruce wants nothing to do with her.......so I think she would try and use the kid as a way to get into Bruce's life.
     
  12. The Question

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    Oh, Talia has gotten over Bruce. I think Ra's (who is still alive, just in hiding) is training the kid to take Bruce's place as a more proactive Batman. And by proactive I mean Azbats with an I.Q. above 95.
     
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    Hmmmm..........well, it's out of continuity isn't it?
     
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    Some say it is. Some say it isn't. There hasn't been anything in the comics to suggest it is or isn't. It just hasn't been mentioned. I think it either is or should be.
     
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    DAMMIT!!!!!! Well, I guess they could always put it back into continuity. It would just be such a coll dynamic for Batman to find out that Ra's has been seacretly raisning his son.
     
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    I actually like the whole Terry thing.
     
  18. Batman the 6th

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    What about a Carli Connors. Sorry, I have a bad memeroy and don't remember where I read this, but it is said that she is Bruce's daughter. What's Talia's son's name. My guess would be Bruce jr., but there was a Bruce jr. with a Kathy Kane I guess. So Terry is another son of his? Is Batgirl his daughter 2? Just kidding. And in the recent comics, is she Gordon's daughter or Alfred's niece, like in Batman Forever? And Helena Kyle is Helena Bertinelli now? Oh well, I liked Birds of Prey, even though it was short lived. If Carli is his daughter, then is she older than Talia's son, or even younger. So Dick must be the oldest, unless Carli is older.:batman: What about Dick's children? Or Carli's?
     
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    Talia and Bruce's son is named something Arabic. Check the link I provided above.

    Barbara Gordon (formerly Batgirl, now Oracle) is Commissioner Gordon's niece. In the animated show, she was his daughter. In Batman & Robin, she was Alfred's niece.

    Helena Kyle is pre-Crisis Huntress. After Crisis on Infinite Earths, all the alternate Earths were scrapped. Her origin was changed to the daughter of a mob boss who's mother was killed by rival mobs. The show 'Birds of Prey' used the pre-Crisis origin.
     
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    Bruce's son's name is Ibn al Xu'ffasch. That's arabic for "son of the bat."
     
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    How the **** do u pronounce it?
     
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    Hey Spidey-Bat, that doesn't make sense. Nightstar would be his niece, considering her father is his brother. That's messed up.
     
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    Well, actually........in the comics Babs is Jim's daughter.......she calls him daddy and all. I figure Jim is the only father she's ever known.......and he's always treated her like a daughter. I guess it's like the polar opposite of Bruce and Dick........where she and Jim openly admit the fact that they are (even though Uncle and Niece) are father and daugther......whereas Bruce and Dick seem to always ignore the fact that they are in dact father and son. It's kinda crazy to look at it that way.

    Terry is Bruce's son.......and I'm betting so is Matt. So, the Wayne legace......as far as the Animated Series goes........is already solidifed and set.
     
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    Wait, now who's Matt. Bruce has to learn how to use a condom. Not saying he can't afford child support, but dude, u still use it. Oh, is Matt Terry's brother? Or a new guy. Can't they give him at least 1 daughter?
     
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    I love Batman Beyond, but the concept of Bruce being Terry's dad doesn't really sit right with me, especially the way they went about it. Being someone's father is about more than just sharing half of someone's genetic code. It wasn't even Bruce's sperm that concieved Terry, but rather Warren McGinnise's that had been re-programmed to be the same as Bruce's. It all seems kind of convoluted to me, and I liked it better when the father/son bond between Terry and Bruce was entirely metaphysical. Bah, I'm going into a rant now. :p

    Anyway, on the topic of Bruce's legacy, I had some ideas that could maybe work as a graphic novel or something (consider it an "elseworlds tale" if you must). First off, it takes place in the future, and Bruce has finally retired from being Batman, and he actually now has three kids: Two sons, and a daughter. But, they are from two seperate mothers. His first born son is Ibn al Xu'ffasch, who was mothered by Talia Al Ghul. His second born son and daugher are twins, and they were mothered by Selina Kyle. I'll tentatively call them "Terry and Helena", just for this conversation cuz I'm too lazy to come up with their real names right now.

    Ibn's childhood was much different from that of his half brother and sister. He was kept a secret from Bruce Wayne, and was raised by Ra's Al Ghul as the heir to the League of Shadows. Not having his real father around definately lead to a troubled childhood for him, and when you are raised by Ra's and Talia, it doesn't help. He's devoted himself to the league just as much as his grandfather was, and will not allow himself to be distracted from it's mission.

    "Terry and Helena" on the other hand, were raised by Selina Kyle for about 10 years, without Bruce knowing about them. But when he learned of their existance, he took responsibility and decided to support the three of them and had them moved into wayne mannor. Because of this revelation, Bruce found himself having to hang up his cape and cowl to make time for his family. But when the twins reach their teen years, they discover a secret that changes their lives, and the future of the Wayne family. They learn that their parents were once the near mythical Batman and Catwoman, and with this knowledge, they plead with their parents to train them as their sucsessors, and although initially wanting to shield them from the terrible physical and mental dangers of the vigelante lifestyle, Bruce and Selina see the chaos that brews in a Gotham with no protector, and cautiousely agree.

    The new Batman and Catwoman appear in Gotham City, which has been heroless for nearly a decade. But their brother, Ibn al Xu'ffasch has plans for Gotham City of his own. He and Talia put two-and-two together, and it becomes quite obviouse to them who Gotham's new protectors are. Ibn finds himself being consumed by his resentment of Bruce Wayne and envy of his half siblings, and eventually, his plan is set; he will destroy the city that drew his father away from him, and amidst the rubble, he will eliminate the siblings who took his birthright that he has grown to hate despite never having met them. What ensues is a massive battle, and two rising heros being torn between their duty to save Gotham and their compassion and sorrow for their long-lost half brother, who is now bent on killing them. The fate of a city, and the world hangs in the balance, as the three siblings settle their differences.

    Heheheh, sorry if that seems a little "out there". But hey, if it does, just think "elseworlds". :p
     

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