Sequels Bryan Singer would love to return to X-Men universe

[CB Fan]

^ Kind of agree with you
To be honest everyone blabs about how great the first movie was and it really wasnt anything special IMO, it stands right next to X3 to me in that I dont love it and I dont hate it, Its just an alright film.
The series needs a reboot that sticks closer to the comics, and a director whose actually a fan of the comics then you'll pull in some big numbers and most importantly a great X-Men film.

 

[bullets]

I don't think Singer will fix the series but he could keep it from getting worse.

 

[X-Maniac]

LOL, life or death issue? I'm really curious as to where you got that I felt that way in my post.

Some people seem to treat it like a life or death issue, even if you personally don't

And as for the general public's view of the X-Men franchise, just look at RT's ratings for X3 and Wolverine.

The Rotten Tomatoes rating is not the general public's view, it's the view of critics. The two things are entirely different.

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen got 19 per cent on RT, yet it's made $833million worldwide. Work that one out.

56% Rotten and 36% Rotten respectively. As for the BO, X3 did about the same domestically as X2, but Wolverine dropped about $50 million from X3's gross. And their grosses were no where near the level of Transformers, Spider-Man, or the Bat films.

I don't understand your point. As I said, Transformers 2 got dismal ratings from critics on RT, yet had a massive gross because the public went there in stampedes to see it.

And, anecdotally, I know among my friends (none of them comic book fans) they hated the last two films and have no real interest in them anymore. That these films were bad and generated bad word of mouth has, unfortunately, damaged the franchise. Bringing Singer back is a good step because it can help bring the level back up to X2. But it will be a hard task with some of the main characters (such as Cyclops) gone. That's why IMO a new direction might work. But hey, if Singer can make something of what were left with after X3, all the power to him.

But remember that it was Singer's films that brought in a Halle Berry Storm, a vulnerable Rogue, a boyish Cyclops who plays NSync in his car, a 6ft 3 Wolverine who is the alpha male, and a character line-up/chronology entirely different to the comics (with Iceman being a student etc). Just like the comics? I don't think so. You sound more like a Singer-worshipper than an X-Men fan.

Whatever happens in these films generates arguments and years of never-ending disputes and nitpicks. No one is ever going to get their own perfect X-Men movie.

Singer's movies got torn apart on here for years. Okay, so he is generally a good fit for many aspects of the material and is a thoughtful director, but let's not get those rose-tinted glasses on and see everything through the haze of nostalgia. I wouldn't want you to slip into the American habit of deifying or demonising filmmakers.

The X-Men need a sense of epic scale, not just moody neurosis.

 

[X-Maniac]

I don't think Singer will fix the series but he could keep it from getting worse.

This I kind of agree with. He would bring in a more consistent (and well-regarded) approach. As long as we don't get a Superman Returns self-indulgent snoozefest.

 

[BMM]

^ Kind of agree with you
To be honest everyone blabs about how great the first movie was and it really wasnt anything special IMO, it stands right next to X3 to me in that I dont love it and I dont hate it, Its just an alright film.
The series needs a reboot that sticks closer to the comics, and a director whose actually a fan of the comics then you'll pull in some big numbers and most importantly a great X-Men film.

All that is needed is a good director and a good storyteller, regardless of whether or not they are fans of the books beforehand. You’re right in that it may certainly help, but it isn’t necessary. Mark Steven Johnson’s Daredevil and Ghost Rider are perfect examples of why being a fan of the source material isn’t enough.

But remember that it was Singer's films that brought in a Halle Berry Storm, a vulnerable Rogue, a boyish Cyclops who plays NSync in his car, a 6ft 3 Wolverine who is the alpha male, and a character line-up/chronology entirely different to the comics (with Iceman being a student etc). Just like the comics? I don't think so. You sound more like a Singer-worshipper than an X-Men fan.

Nothing was said, nor implied, that in order for the movies to be better they have to be closer to the comics, nor was it said that Singer’s films are better because they are allegedly closer to the comics.

 

[The Overlord]

^ Kind of agree with you
To be honest everyone blabs about how great the first movie was and it really wasnt anything special IMO, it stands right next to X3 to me in that I dont love it and I dont hate it, Its just an alright film.
The series needs a reboot that sticks closer to the comics, and a director whose actually a fan of the comics then you'll pull in some big numbers and most importantly a great X-Men film.

Considering how convoluted the comics are, how would you make the films closer to comics without making everything an overly expensive, convoluted mess?

Plus X-2 was pretty good.

 

[FaT_tONle]

I am all for bringing him back.... for FIRST CLASS. Anyone can do Wolverine 2, seriously. I mean look at what Gavin Hood did. Just film a shirtless Jackman kicking ass and you are set. Singer for First Class can really develop the characters within the universe, meaning he won't have too many liberties since the characters are already extablished. He'll be working within himself. The only character he can **** up is Emma but I trust him. And yeah, Weaver won't be playing her if it's a prequel. As far as X-4, you know my stance. Check back in 8 years.

 

[Project862006]

Singer should direct Wolverine 2

the screen writer already wrote usual suspects and Valkyrie 2 movies he directed and he knows the wolverine character pretty well

 

[zenith16]

I don't consider the guy that did daredevil a real fan. He said that but from the interviews he did and what I understand of them is that he was a resent fan and had just gotten into it. after he gotthe job.

He was just saying he was a fan. and that really threw people off. that why so many say fans that are directors might not work. he mess you guys off cause of his false claims.

And he took some old comics that he bought at a custom comic shop and claimed to used them as story boards. but seriously nah if he really was serious that film would have been better.

I don't care to discuss that any more.

I don't care enough about Gaven hood to comment. wolverine has his own franchise now and all those that are overly into him like singer should get their fix there and leave it there.

I don't want to see wolverine for long while in the main X-Men movie. and I mean i don't want see him for up to 9 more main x-men films. keep all his stuff to his solo movies only other wise I don't want to see him.

the other characters need development. Damn it.

 

[psyonic]

Singer was going to do the Phoenix saga storyline in two parts which is better than what X3 turned out to be. X-Men and X2 were great movies, I have no doubt he will do a great job with future X-Men movies. He cared about character development and that is what made the first two movies good. I just don't want anymore Wolverine movies for the time being. Wolverine origins was horrible and the sequel will be the same.

 

[Deaths Head II]

I think Singer should be given Wolverine 2. He obviously misses Hugh the most. He won't get to work with him if he does Magneto or First Class and if he did X4 he probably wouldn't give the X4 that the fans want to see.

But then again I doubt anyone will give the X4 we wanna see. I bet if an X4 is ever made it will be all about Wolverine, Cyclops will still be dead, Rogue will still do nothing, Colossus still will have one speaking line, Gambit will be nowhere to be seen, etc. There is no real reason for Fox to make any changes to the franchise's direction for X4.

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I'm not a raging Magneto fan, but I'd be interested in seeing how his origin is handled.

 

[Watson]

The Rotten Tomatoes rating is not the general public's view, it's the view of critics. The two things are entirely different.

Transformers: Revenge of the Fallen got 19 per cent on RT, yet it's made $833million worldwide. Work that one out.

Good word of mouth from the first film combined with a massive promotion. I'd be interested to see how well Transformers 3 does comparatively.

Besides I think it arguable that Transformers has a much wider fanbase than X-Men. Since it appeals to a bigger audience they were able to transform that into a bigger BO. So comparing X-men to Transformers may not be the best comparison.

And the view of the critics IS important to the general public, like it or not. Do you really think a film getting trashed by critics isn't going to effect it's eventual numbers? Something like Transformers may not be the best example since it was a juggernaut and had some other stuff going for it. But if folks read a bad review, they may decide not to go. The X-Men franchise has already produced two badly received films. Do you think another stinker will help? It could end up being a franchise killer.

I don't understand your point. As I said, Transformers 2 got dismal ratings from critics on RT, yet had a massive gross because the public went there in stampedes to see it.

I should have been clearer. My point (and what I'm getting at above) is that one of the reasons Wolverine experienced the drop in BO was because of the already bad word of mouth and reviews that surrounded X3. I really think that because Wolverine also suffered from the same problem, it could effect BO of another X film. Which is why a fresh approach might be something good that would encourage audiences to go. It's basically the reverse effect of what happened with Batman Begins and TDK, or what is bound to happen with IM 2.

But remember that it was Singer's films that brought in a Halle Berry Storm, a vulnerable Rogue, a boyish Cyclops who plays NSync in his car, a 6ft 3 Wolverine who is the alpha male, and a character line-up/chronology entirely different to the comics (with Iceman being a student etc). Just like the comics? I don't think so. You sound more like a Singer-worshipper than an X-Men fan.

Whatever happens in these films generates arguments and years of never-ending disputes and nitpicks. No one is ever going to get their own perfect X-Men movie.

Singer's movies got torn apart on here for years. Okay, so he is generally a good fit for many aspects of the material and is a thoughtful director, but let's not get those rose-tinted glasses on and see everything through the haze of nostalgia. I wouldn't want you to slip into the American habit of deifying or demonising filmmakers.

The X-Men need a sense of epic scale, not just moody neurosis.

Yet again you jump to another series of assumptions about my posts. Did you find anywhere that I had written "SINGER IZ DA BEST OMG!!!"? No. I simply stated that I thought Singer coming back was a good thing because to date he has made what I feel is the best of the X films, X2. You make some really valid points how disappointing it was that certain elements of comics canon were taken out (especially how redundant and worthless they made Cyclops, that was disappointing). But, IN MY OPINION, I think X2 was good from a filmmaking perspective and holds up against some of the better superhero films we've gotten in the last decade. Now I'm sorry if that's too "Singer fangirl" for you. If it helps, I hated his Superman film.

I would be open to a number of interpretations of X-men. A more epic piece with a new director would be groovy too.

Also, I'm not American

 

[zenith16]

Singer was going to do the Phoenix saga storyline in two parts which is better than what X3 turned out to be. X-Men and X2 were great movies, I have no doubt he will do a great job with future X-Men movies. He cared about character development and that is what made the first two movies good. I just don't want anymore Wolverine movies for the time being. Wolverine origins was horrible and the sequel will be the same.

I'm a bit confused about whatyour saying. from what I've seen singer is obsessed with wolverine. his first two movies hinted at it enough. that the other really got a lack of development and i mean personal development which only wolverine got. you say you want another wolverine movie, yet that mostly what singer has made. and what x3 carried on from and took the same methods of filming it was same formula they used the only difference is they figured that the didn't want to bother with other character cause said well since were not gonna develop these other lets bump some off. it was lame of them but they
decided to stop lying to the fans in a way. I don't think they plan on giving any of the characters development as long as wolverine is there and that's what singer focus has been on. the only way is to not have him there . cause he has his own franchise now. but singer will go nuts. so the only way to cure this problem is to let him have both and to let him get his fix by doing wolverine movies and the can focus on the actual x-men movies other wise we'll get more wolverine movies with the title x-men on it. and I really don't want that. ether spread the spotlight on the other characters or don't bother. I don't want the title being called x-men when it's really wolverine 5 or 6. Seriously he has a fever that can only be cured one way. let him get it out of his system man.

other wise we'll get yet another wolvie movie and a good lot of us won't be happy cause he had to get his fix.

 

[[A]]

I don't think Singer will fix the series but he could keep it from getting worse.

He's got two messed-up *things* to clean. X3 and Origins: Wolverine

 

[zenith16]

I'm not sure how any one is going to agree that he needs to fix the wolverine movie seeing that Hugh thinks it went fine. And is ready for the sequel. other than the time line that screwed up gambits age and emma being realated to silver fox and dead pool. among other things dead pool is being dealt with I guess.

and sabertooth being "dog" which isn'tthe case.

singer not likely to fix that man. sorry i think that area is screwed.

He's likely to just do the sequal and move forward. And i don't want to see wolvie in x4 though. just to fix that, it'll take over every thing. I've had enough of the over shadowing.

 

[[A]]

But Jackman is both star and producer. Can't talk s**t about his own projects!

 

[zenith16]

yeah and it'll be harder for singer to change his mind since he 's best buddys with him and it's possible that he see's things the same way as jackman does. he'll just move forward with the sequal. sorry man.

 

[[A]]

You ruined your reply with the last part. Oh well..

 

[zenith16]

I was saying that last part cause I kinda feel ya on your issues with that movie and why it should be fixed. but I 'm sure you got my point. At least I hope so.

 

[CB Fan]

Considering how convoluted the comics are, how would you make the films closer to comics without making everything an overly expensive, convoluted mess?

Plus X-2 was pretty good.

Please Quote me in my post where I said X2 was a bad film, I clearly said X1 isnt as great as fans make it out to be. And yes alittle money will need to be spent in order to get a fine result but if everything is done right the company could recieve more than enough profit from box office.
And I think its been proven pretty well that a convoluted mess is possible even with a not so expansive budget and liberties taken,you dont need an expansive budget and close to source material to F' everything up, where does that thinking even come from?

 

[The Guard]

People, please don't start this nonsensical "You must not be a real X-Men fan" crap. If you yourself enjoy any superhero movie with sizeable changes to the mythology, you're basically just being a hypocrite when you attack fans of the X-Men franchise for enjoying it despite changes.

I find it incredibly silly when people act like Singer is the only reason things like Cyclops reduced role, Wolverine's increased role, Halle Berry, etc, occurred in the X-MEN franchise. People seem to forget that Bryan Singer had relatively little power for X-MEN's production process. And surely all you die hard X-Men movie fans realize that before Singer ever came aboard, the most recent plan for X-Men was WOLVERINE AND THE X-MEN. Hmm...

Singer's X-films aren't perfect, but he handled the themes wonderfully and with restraint. I think he'd be perfect for an X-MEN: FIRST CLASS. Don't know how I feel about just handing him an X4, though I'd certainly be intrigued.

In X-2 Singer juggled the different story lines well though. And God Loves Man Kills sorta fits in with the whole Weapon X thing anyway.

His juggling act was no better or worse than Ratner's of the Cure and the Phoenix Saga in X3. GOD LOVES, MAN KILLS was absolutely butchered as a storyline except for a few plot elements, and Singer basically just paid lip service to the WEAPON X storyline over the course of two films. Neither adaption of storylines was anything close as direct an adaption as the Phoenix Saga and Cure storylines seen in X3 were.

I don't consider the guy that did daredevil a real fan. He said that but from the interviews he did and what I understand of them is that he was a resent fan and had just gotten into it. after he gotthe job.

He was just saying he was a fan. and that really threw people off. that why so many say fans that are directors might not work. he mess you guys off cause of his false claims.

Uh...no.

Mark Steven Johnson fought...and fought hard, off and on for seven years, to get his version of DAREDEVIL made. He's a fan, and fought, as a fan, right through the production process to get things to be more faithful. It's obvious he's a fan in the movie he made. What he's not is an extremely talented writer, director and director of actors, which is why DD and GHOST RIDER aren't very good movies overall.

Singer was going to do the Phoenix saga storyline in two parts which is better than what X3 turned out to be. X-Men and X2 were great movies, I have no doubt he will do a great job with future X-Men movies. He cared about character development and that is what made the first two movies good. I just don't want anymore Wolverine movies for the time being. Wolverine origins was horrible and the sequel will be the same.

Singer's two part Phoenix Saga was to be X2 and X3. He was going to Dark Phoenix in X3, and that would have likely been it.

I disagree wholeheartedly with your statement about character development and Singer. This was more or less also a weakness in Singer's films as well. In fact, X3 had more character development, if anything, across the board, than previous X-films did.

Singer cared about spotlighting characters, themes, and a particular message he felt was valuable. Not appropriate character development for all characters.

I have yet to see a single person give a concrete reason why combining The Cure and The Dark Phoenix story didn't work. They just keep saying "It didn't work".

I should have been clearer. My point (and what I'm getting at above) is that one of the reasons Wolverine experienced the drop in BO was because of the already bad word of mouth and reviews that surrounded X3

X3 may not have been embraced by fans or critics, but the general public clearly liked it, or it wouldn't have made nearly as much money as it did despite mediocre reviews and a troubled history. Do you think the existence of WOLVERINE is an accident? That said, there's really no concrete reason WOLVERINE should affect the actual box office of another X-Men movie. The target audience isn't "critics and fans". It's the average person who gives two ****s about story, character development, and fidelity to source material.

 

[bullets]

He's got two messed-up *things* to clean. X3 and Origins: Wolverine

If he makes a really good trilogy and brings back Cyclops then he could fix X4 . If we get another Xmen trilogy I'll just pretend Wolverine Origins never happened.

 

[The Overlord]

Please Quote me in my post where I said X2 was a bad film, I clearly said X1 isnt as great as fans make it out to be. And yes alittle money will need to be spent in order to get a fine result but if everything is done right the company could recieve more than enough profit from box office.
And I think its been proven pretty well that a convoluted mess is possible even with a not so expansive budget and liberties taken,you dont need an expansive budget and close to source material to F' everything up, where does that thinking even come from?

Well how would you make it closer to the comics, try add all the space opera stuff as well focus on mutant struggle? Because that sounds like a convoluted mess right there.

 

[CB Fan]

Theres more to making it closer to the comics than just adding Space (which I would not be opposed to if it were explored in a reboot) you could start by not drastically changing roles and personalities of just about every character.
You could also establish that this is a fantasy world and cut this realism crap out cause it hardly works when youre dealing with the X-Men. They have realistic issues but they are very much a fantasy world.