Sequels Bryan Singer would love to return to X-Men universe

[X-Maniac]

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Okay, you said it didnt get brilliant reviews, 88% seems pretty brilliant to me, especially at the time when some critics still thought comic book movies were a bit taboo.

I said it didn't get brilliant reviews all round.

This, for instance, was the BBC review:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2003/04/22/x_men_2_2003_review.shtml

It says, among other things, that "X-Men 2 shares its predecessor's problems of story and self-containment: there's a hyperactive narrative and too much assumed knowledge. Whatever its merits as part of a series, it struggles to satisfy as a stand alone movie....Given the screenwriters didn't bother with a coherent story, it doesn't deserve to be explicated here (there's a plothole you could fly the X-Jet through). Best to suspend sense, savour the set-pieces, and mull over your favourite mutant. If only the plot matched the performances, "X-Men 2" could rival "Spider-Man" in the Marvel-lous movie stakes. As is, it merely points to the franchise's potential. The next step in evolution? Hardly. But it could be the missing link."

 

[terry78]

So....is he coming back to the franchise or what?

 

[[A]]

He's dying to. That's for sure.

 

[danoyse]

So....is he coming back to the franchise or what?

I hope so. I wonder if he's just putting it out there he's "talking to Fox" so they can see what the fanboy reaction is.

 

[Angamb]

I thought about that too.....

it could be...

 

[The Guard]

Well now that you mentioned it. Yes i can say that. i have friends that aren't hard core comic fans that found what was done to cyclops wrong and the lack of character development to the orther characters some what wrong too. there was too much of wolverine. Anyway how would you like to meet them?

Do you have steam? you know what you can just down load ventrilo and i can have you meet them there and they'll tell ya. that's up to you man.

Well, I'm convinced. The house stays.

 

[[A]]

What's that plothole you could fly the X-Jet through?

 

[X-Maniac]

I hope so. I wonder if he's just putting it out there he's "talking to Fox" so they can see what the fanboy reaction is.

Quite possibly.

I think, overall, his return would be welcomed, though i would hope for a few things to step up a gear (power displays and action scenes).

 

[X-Maniac]

Well now that you mentioned it. Yes i can say that. i have friends that aren't hard core comic fans that found what was done to cyclops wrong and the lack of character development to the orther characters some what wrong too. there was too much of wolverine. Anyway how would you like to meet them.

There will be some people out there who didn't like the treatments of Cyclops or Wolverine or whoever we might mention... But I feel pretty sure that to a lot of people totally divorced from the geekosphere, those things don't matter, especially as Wolverine was pretty much set up as a central character from the beginning. The plan was always for a Wolverine spin-off, that was stated way before X3.

For those of us who are fans, it's disappointing that Wolverine has hogged the limelight and Cyclops was a little marginalised. But I try to be realistic about this stuff and it's pretty obvious that any movies made about so many different characters are going to pick some to be central, others to be secondary and some to be left out altogether.

Singer himself left out characters like Beast and Gambit, and reduced Jubilee (a main character in the Fox cartoon) to a cameo role. It's a struggle to get everyone in, let alone treat them equally. It took four movies to get Gambit in, three to see Beast and Angel.

Singer showed us the wider mutant world using the Cerebro map and then a database on Stryker's computer. X3 showed us in the flesh through the mutant meeting in the church, the protesters outside cure facilities, and the various members of Magneto's army.

 

[zenith16]

hmmm I wish that helped X-Maniac. But it didn't cause I've seen better scripted movies that have had huge casts and seen TV shows that managed to deal better then they have with the x-men movies in one episode . And they used the same themes too man babylon 5 had it in episodes before that as well
man even with shows like 4400 which some can view X-men elements if you seen the shown have done better.

I do thank you for trying to get me to under stand, but they did a bad job over all with screen time. With what they had. Others have been shown to give huge casts of characters equal spot light with in huge casts.

The writers they hired are just used to doing soloist type movies.
And yes I got the agenda on wolverine. and it's still wrong no matter how you put it. it's about "the X-men." then you show that.

Any way i was just stating that my buddy's told me this at a BBQ and their not comic fans and they found a lot off with the movies. one of them I had just that day too. they straight out told me this and they don't have comics to their name. I'm one of the few in the group of my friends that has comics.

I consider them that movie going public. Man I've seen movies with them when I'm not busy. But they seem to have more time for the movies.

And seeing they told me that on their own, heck seeing that question i just went "fine" I have people that can back that up. and I'm willing to used the chat channels I have to prove it.

That's all.

Anyways thanks for trying to clear some things up.

But I already got what they were doing. And it's just wrong of them to do. It's about the organization show that.

just spread out the spot light in the groups you have. or get writers that are known for doing ensemble casts or don't bother doing a movie on that type of thing at all .

they can spread it out by doing each movie being about a certain character like start with storm and for the next sequel it'll be about colossus as the main focus like how wolverine was in X2 yet again.(ugh)

But at least you'll see that they are at least trying there.

Since ensemble is overly difficult for the writers fox hires to do this. which I find bad. since they have people in their faces with TV shows and movies that are used to doing that kinda of writing and talked about very often as well .

But it seems I'm thinking of better ways to do this then then fox.

That's all I'm saying. spread it out. there are two ways to do so.

I just gave examples or at least one.

 

[psyonic]

Why do people overlook the fact that Jean chose Scott over Logan in X2 during the jet repair scene? Singer pretty much settled the love triangle but in the X3 that we got, Wolverine was pushed back into the spotlight because Scott was killed off. Plus I believe Cyclops was going to be the hero in Singer's X3 and X4.

 

[The Chris]

Why do people overlook the fact that Jean chose Scott over Logan in X2 during the jet repair scene? Singer pretty much settled the love triangle but in the X3 that we got, Wolverine was pushed back into the spotlight because Scott was killed off. Plus I believe Cyclops was going to be the hero in Singer's X3 and X4.

It definitely felt like Scott was going to get a bigger role in Singer's X3 near the end of X2. (My thinking that is helped by the fact that Singer brought James Marsden with him to Superman Returns)

 

[Ipodman]

Yeah... the Jean-Scott relationship should have gone soo well... instead we got X3

 

[Rac]

Why do people overlook the fact that Jean chose Scott over Logan in X2 during the jet repair scene? Singer pretty much settled the love triangle but in the X3 that we got, Wolverine was pushed back into the spotlight because Scott was killed off. Plus I believe Cyclops was going to be the hero in Singer's X3 and X4.

It definitely felt like Scott was going to get a bigger role in Singer's X3 near the end of X2. (My thinking that is helped by the fact that Singer brought James Marsden with him to Superman Returns)

In X2 commentary track Singer said Cyclops would have a bigger role in X3, but I don't think he would have been the first billing actor/character.

 

[terry78]

Wolverine should be to the X-Men what Ben Grimm is to the FF. The brutish, uncouth cynical lout of the team who is the muscle, yet can still have that soft spot he hates to showcase. He didn't have to be butt ugly, but having him look a little more like Clint Eastwood in the face(which he supposedly does in the books) and yet still having that sex appeal amongst the chicks would have been interesting.

 

[The Chris]

In X2 commentary track Singer said Cyclops would have a bigger role in X3, but I don't think he would have been the first billing actor/character.

Definitely still would have been better than the disgraceful treatment he ended up getting. I still can't believe what happened in that film honestly.

 

[Deaths Head II]

Yeah, not being the main character is still better then being killed off fifteen minutes into the story. When I first heard that I thought it was a bad joke. I couldn't wrap my mind around them having an X-Men film about the Dark Pheonix Saga where Jean kills Cyclops after fifteen minutes. Singer would probably have kept Wolverine as the main, but at least Cyclops and Jean probably would have had a proper conclusion together.

 

[Nell2ThaIzzay]

I'm still very iffy on the idea of an X-Men 4.

I get it that the comics can do a lot of these retcons and storylines and stuff, but you can't really get away with that in movies. It's very shaky ground to start bringing back characters like Xavier, Jean, and Cyclops.

Jean in the movies is shown to be a mortal, like any other mutant, not a cosmic entity that is immortal. She is just the most powerful mutant on the planet.

While Cyclops was never -shown- to be dead, it's not really up for interpretation. It's made pretty clear in the movie that Scott was killed. Bringing him back is going to be very, VERY tricky, and I don't really see a way that it can be done successfully.

Xavier, it's already been implied, this is probably the one you can get away with. It will be a bit far fetched, but I think you can go into a story with the Astral Plane to bring back Xavier - show him trapped there.

But really, we're talking about some very tricky story arcs to get around, and quite frankly, I don't want the X-Men movies to continue without the likes of Jean, Cyclops, and Xavier.

It's gonna be bad film making to just "undo" and recon everything done in X-Men: The Last Stand.

If this franchise is going to continue, I believe it needs to be through First Class prequels, not through sequels.

And with the continuity of the films, even prequels are very limited: No Rogue, Iceman, Nightcrawler, Angel...

My idea for an X-Men 4 / X-Men: First Class is kind of a Days of Future Past type deal.

We're introduced to a future with Sentinels running about, and what not, and the resistance fighters. Bishop is the main guy here, obviously, and there is an "elder" who helps guide them. That "elder" is really Logan, who obviously lived through the time of the X-Men and all that jazz. He tells tales of the X-Men, and the stories of the X-Men are legend amongst the resistance fighters.

To try to prevent his future from happening, Bishop travels back to try to stop certain happenings in the past from occurring. When he travels back in time, he arrives to the time of the "first class". Because the X-Men are young, and inexperienced, he does not believe what he sees to be true, and there are conflicts between Bishop and the X-Men. But Xavier learns the truth of Bishop's travels, and his future, and they embark out to stop it from happening.

I am having a hard time trying to think of just what the "occurrence" is that leads to Bishop's future, as well as the details of the story, I just think that it might be an interesting direction to take with First Class. It's like a sequel prequel, lol

 

[Superwoman Prime]

I'd prefer a reboot rather than a continuation of the present continuity. Xavier and Scott are dead right now, after all.

 

[EnDz0n3]

I said it didn't get brilliant reviews all round.

This, for instance, was the BBC review:

http://www.bbc.co.uk/films/2003/04/22/x_men_2_2003_review.shtml

It says, among other things, that "X-Men 2 shares its predecessor's problems of story and self-containment: there's a hyperactive narrative and too much assumed knowledge. Whatever its merits as part of a series, it struggles to satisfy as a stand alone movie....Given the screenwriters didn't bother with a coherent story, it doesn't deserve to be explicated here (there's a plothole you could fly the X-Jet through). Best to suspend sense, savour the set-pieces, and mull over your favourite mutant. If only the plot matched the performances, "X-Men 2" could rival "Spider-Man" in the Marvel-lous movie stakes. As is, it merely points to the franchise's potential. The next step in evolution? Hardly. But it could be the missing link."

I'm sorry X-Maniac, I honestly don't get what the point of this was. That's just one review. They can't all be praises you know. Please show me one movie (that's not Toy Story!) that got all positive reviews. In this day and age of Wolverine's (36 % on RT.com) and The Spirit's (15%) and X-men 3's (58%), X2's 88% is leaps and bounds above the competition.

 

[I SEE SPIDEY]

X2 got fantastic reviews.

I don't really agree with those reviews but it got them.

 

[zenith16]

I'm still very iffy on the idea of an X-Men 4.

I get it that the comics can do a lot of these retcons and storylines and stuff, but you can't really get away with that in movies. It's very shaky ground to start bringing back characters like Xavier, Jean, and Cyclops.

Jean in the movies is shown to be a mortal, like any other mutant, not a cosmic entity that is immortal. She is just the most powerful mutant on the planet.

While Cyclops was never -shown- to be dead, it's not really up for interpretation. It's made pretty clear in the movie that Scott was killed. Bringing him back is going to be very, VERY tricky, and I don't really see a way that it can be done successfully.

Xavier, it's already been implied, this is probably the one you can get away with. It will be a bit far fetched, but I think you can go into a story with the Astral Plane to bring back Xavier - show him trapped there.

But really, we're talking about some very tricky story arcs to get around, and quite frankly, I don't want the X-Men movies to continue without the likes of Jean, Cyclops, and Xavier.

It's gonna be bad film making to just "undo" and recon everything done in X-Men: The Last Stand.

If this franchise is going to continue, I believe it needs to be through First Class prequels, not through sequels.

the way to fix it is simple. for jean it's simple she has a spilt personality she struggled with her self to save scott a she threw him in the lake he's floats down stream out cold and jean is out cold from her mental power struggle with the phoenix.

And BTW yes even the best land animals with smell can't smell and track people once they have crossed a large lake or are in it. that's why in all those fugitive movies and other written work they loose cops with hunting dogs that way. that's why wolverine couldn't find him. I don't know how people keep forgetting that part. that always throws dogs off your scent. it one of the many ways. Any way. what's happening when people can't remember these things.

cyclops is still alive.

on jean look there are those people freaking seeing star trek movies if they under stand how Spock can be alive with those movies he has dies once
or the fact that he can be in another reality/ universe with his younger self.

Then they'll get jean coming back to life, it's sci- fi. you explain in a way it makes sense . or they should stop targeting the audience that's won't get that.

Cause it's obvious there are those that will get it and those who won't and yet those that get it show up in large packs for other movies like star trek and the lot of movies like it.

they should target them be side us comic fans and not the people that have limited thinking like some fox producers seem to do and calim others to have.

If people want to see it they'll be attracted to the x-men movies regardless. the have to stop with that lame ass excuse.

plus there's the interview with james marsden at newsarama the site where he stated that he's not dead. I think certain people just want him dead here.

mostly due to how fox has you thinking like they do. which limited thinking. like they have a problem of them selves unfortunately. please stop thinking like them. Alots doable. This is why I don't want them in charge any more ughhhhhh.

 

[X-Maniac]

I'm sorry X-Maniac, I honestly don't get what the point of this was. That's just one review. They can't all be praises you know. Please show me one movie (that's not Toy Story!) that got all positive reviews. In this day and age of Wolverine's (36 % on RT.com) and The Spirit's (15%) and X-men 3's (58%), X2's 88% is leaps and bounds above the competition.

I'm just trying to be realistic, and point out that all films have flaws and bad critiques. On here, you'd sometimes think something is universally adored to the point of people building shrines.

I agree X2 was the most consistent and well-regarded of the franchise (some of that acclaim is in hindsight, as the BBC now seems to love it but didn't at the time). But I can still find good things in X3 that the other two movies never managed to achieve.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

So, what was this plot hole so huge you could fly the X-Jet through in X-2 then?

 

[X-Maniac]

So, what was this plot hole so huge you could fly the X-Jet through in X-2 then?

As I'm not the BBC reviewer, and he never spelled it out, I don't know.