Buffy the Vampire Slayer and Angel the Vampire - Part 2

[Marvolo]

I love Faith and Buffy's attitude was beyond justified. Why the heck should she buy Faith's redemption after what Faith just did to her in Sunnydale? Heck just the episode before she was trying to kill Angel. Faith was a psychopath and I can definetly see why Buffy didnt trust her and would want to beat her up

Because you don't go into someone's house in a town that isn't yours and attack someone. She didn't know anything that had happened, what the situation was, or what Angel might be planning. She doesn't like Angel stepping on her toes when he comes into town and that door swings both ways. It was Buffy's attitude and how she handled it that was wrong.

 

[Primal Slayer]

She didnt really care what happened, the girl just wanted to get in a good beatdown on Faith. And she sure as hell wouldnt trust Faith for nothing after dealing with her for 2 years.

 

[flickchick85]

What I wouldnt have given for one more season of Buffy/Angel so we could have finally gotten a 2 hr "movie" event of the two gangs coming together to fight a big bad.

That would've been amazing.

 

[Marvolo]

She didnt really care what happened, the girl just wanted to get in a good beatdown on Faith. And she sure as hell wouldnt trust Faith for nothing after dealing with her for 2 years.

And that's a problem i developed with Buffy. I like her but she is downright cocky sometimes and she wants it her way or no way. There is way to handle a situation that wasn't it. I don't blame her for wanting to beat her ass or kill her but as I said she walked in angel's house, disrespected him, hit him, disregarded what he was trying to do, and by and large contributed to Faith being on that roof when the helicopter showed up which could have resulted in one of their deaths. Point being when its not your town don't assume your agenda is the most important or that you know what's best. As a slayer I expect her to be a little more discerning and use more unbiased judgment.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

The way I saw it, I totally understood Buffy's attitude (faith had just stolen her body and had sex with her boyfriend), especially because to HER it looked like Faith was LYING to Angel and manipulating him into protecting her. She didn't see her breakdown yelling 'please, just kill me' and crying in the rain.

And yet, I'm glad that Angel told her off. It was always a 'good for you' moment to me, because it's something you've never really seen him do before... He's always kissing her ass! And it was AFTER Faith had already handed herself into the police and basically proven she really wants redemption that she was STILL being all pompous about her life since he'd gone... Why? What had he done to deserve that? She KNOWS he can't be with anyone because of his curse, so why rub it in his face?

 

[Marvolo]

Throwing Riley in his face was just one step to far. It was childish.

 

[flickchick85]

Throwing Riley in his face was just one step to far. It was childish.

Agreed, but at this point in her story, Buffy was 18-years-old. Her mom was still around, and she hadn't yet had to really be on her own or be responsible for anyone other than herself. She still had a lot more growing up to do. Which didn't always seem evident on her show when everything was her world all the time, but when we're watching Angel's world, and he's dealing with adults and adult problems all the time, Buffy's perspective can seem a bit jarring, and yes, childish. Because she was sure as hell not an adult yet. S7 Buffy wouldn't have handled it that way. Hell, I doubt even S5 Buffy would have. But overall, in S4, Buffy was still relatively immature.

 

[Marvolo]

Agreed, but at this point in her story, Buffy was 18-years-old. Her mom was still around, and she hadn't yet had to really be on her own or be responsible for anyone other than herself. She still had a lot more growing up to do. Which didn't always seem evident on her show when everything was her world all the time, but when we're watching Angel's world, and he's dealing with adults and adult problems all the time, Buffy's perspective can seem a bit jarring, and yes, childish. Because she was sure as hell not an adult yet. S7 Buffy wouldn't have handled it that way. Hell, I doubt even S5 Buffy would have. But overall, in S4, Buffy was still relatively immature.

Yeah I don't disagree on any of those points. Had I been watching Angel while I was watching Buffy it wouldn't have been so jarring. Coming from S7 Buffy and then seeing her act like that threw me off.

 

[Sawyer]

[YT]mnUvZP7-5LM[/YT]
Still wish this had happened.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Ya I cant believe that no network jumped on that, or that we cant even get an animted DTV series. Not even japan has jumped on a Buffy anime like with the Supernatural one.

 

[O'Haire]

[YT]mnUvZP7-5LM[/YT]
Still wish this had happened.

Remember seeing that a few years ago and being like

Really does suck that nobody ever took a chance on it.

 

[hopefuldreamer]

Agreed, but at this point in her story, Buffy was 18-years-old. Her mom was still around, and she hadn't yet had to really be on her own or be responsible for anyone other than herself. She still had a lot more growing up to do. Which didn't always seem evident on her show when everything was her world all the time, but when we're watching Angel's world, and he's dealing with adults and adult problems all the time, Buffy's perspective can seem a bit jarring, and yes, childish. Because she was sure as hell not an adult yet. S7 Buffy wouldn't have handled it that way. Hell, I doubt even S5 Buffy would have. But overall, in S4, Buffy was still relatively immature.

I agree with all of that, definitely

 

[hopefuldreamer]

[YT]mnUvZP7-5LM[/YT]
Still wish this had happened.

Me too

 

[Young Superman]

[YT]mnUvZP7-5LM[/YT]
Still wish this had happened.

Agreed

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

I can imagine why a network wouldn't have wanted to greenlight the animated version. I mean, didn't he pitch it while the live action tv show was still on the air? from my recollection he did.
Buffy was not a massive ratings grabber, it had a devoted cult following around the world, but it was not one of the highest rated shows in the US at all.
So, a network would think, ok, that is how many folk are watching the live action series, no way that many are gonna watch a cartoon, and you wouldn't get as much adult and horror elements, so less folk would watch it for that reason too.

Maybe one day they will adapt the comics into a cartoon show or something, you never know.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

On the other hand, it could've played better to the cartoon-watching audience and rocked that demographic. The comics have certainly far exceeded the success of the TV show relative to each of those respective markets, after all.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Plus it probably wouldve aired in the morning or an evening if CN picked it up. Where it still wouldve garnered a good size audience. Plus it wouldve been nice to see what all changed due to Dawns appearance in their lives.

 

[The Question]

Unless they just completely disregarded the continuity of Buffy and started from scratch in high school (which I would have been cool with), then it would have been hell weird to see a Buffy show as episodic as it would have to be to keep with the canon of the main series.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Unless they just completely disregarded the continuity of Buffy and started from scratch in high school (which I would have been cool with), then it would have been hell weird to see a Buffy show as episodic as it would have to be to keep with the canon of the main series.

As far as I recall reading, they were gonna set the cartoon in continuity with the live action show, but just make it like stand alone type adventures that could have fit in alongside the high school events. Y'know, like those Spider-man, the untold adventures(or whatever it was called) and X-Men First Class comics that were set inbetween the Lee/Ditko, Lee/Kirby issues.
So, right there, you have restrictions on the show, they wouldn't be able to do any arcs or anything substantial that might affect continuity.
Of course, you would've probably still got decent one off eps though.

On the other hand, it could've played better to the cartoon-watching audience and rocked that demographic. The comics have certainly far exceeded the success of the TV show relative to each of those respective markets, after all.

Well, maybe, I was just thinking along the lines of how the network would be thinking, I mean, I guess that everyone who would have their attention caught by the title would have already checked out the live action show. About the only ones who wouldn't, would maybe be toddlers who might find some of the live action show too scary. I struggle to imagine a large-ish demographic who would check out the cartoon, but would have ignore the live action show, apart from very small children.

As for the comics, the show will have built up a larger fanbase as the years go on, due to repeats and dvds, so I'm not surprised the comics sold well. Sales of comics can be measured better than tv ratings, so perhaps a lot more people were watching the show than they thought.

 

[Primal Slayer]

Well they planned on doing it with Dawn there which wouldve given them a little bit of a freer reign since we dont know what changed when Dawn was inserted into their lives.

 

[Thebumwhowalks]

Well they planned on doing it with Dawn there which wouldve given them a little bit of a freer reign since we dont know what changed when Dawn was inserted into their lives.

Ok, aye, I didn't pick up on what you meant by that in your earlier post, that might have been interesting. It would have been good to see what happened when Dawn found out Buffy was a vampire slayer, and started trying to get involved with the Scoobies, I don't know if they ever addressed that in the comics through a flashback, I only managed to buy them up until that Fray story.

 

[Marvolo]

Lol Kal Penn was in Wolfram and Hart. He popped his head out of that *****es office when she was talking to Daniel Dae Kim's character in episode 2 of season 3.

I was like Kumar! Lol so random.

 

[TheCorpulent1]

Yeah, he comes back in "Billy." F***ing great episode.

 

[flickchick85]

Lol Kal Penn was in Wolfram and Hart. He popped his head out of that *****es office when she was talking to Daniel Dae Kim's character in episode 2 of season 3.

I was like Kumar! Lol so random.

Lol, I haven't gotten that far in my re-watch. Definitely didn't recognize him the first time I watched.

 

[Figs]

Ok, I have to say that I don't like that they turned Angel evil again in Season 3. They should have just brought in a new main vampire than repeat what already happened.

I do have to say that it was great and sexy seeing Alyson Hannigan(sp?)playing a vampire.

edit: Nevermind! Well played Angel...well played!