Sequels Can a Spider-Man movie ever top The Dark Knight?

[Pfeiffer-Pfan]

I dunno whats sadder: The souped up batfans bragging wayyy too much about a movie they'll turn on in two months, or the desperate spider-fans who are obviously hurt that their boy isnt top dog anymore

You've only noticed this now?!!!

 

[Sentinel X]

HAHAHAA!!!
That GIF is awesome!! *right click, save*...forgive but I HAVE to use this Gif sometime in the future...its appropriate for so many things, lol.

 

[Venom'sDad]

If you look at the Hype's Home Page with a link to Mark Millar ideas about Superman... he makes a point that I and a few others have been trying to make.... albeit, in different ways.

The point is that BB & TDK has introduce a new way to produce comic book icons and their stories to the bid screen.... by making it OK to do a "Serious Comic Book Film". More realistic, more mature themed(which all kids like), with mild dark environment(like society which is worse) and some dark comedy & action(RockenRolla).

That's the next Level comic books film are progressing to... look at first Blade, than BB, IM, to some extent TIH, now TDK.

So to answer your question... NO. Spidey won't top anybody as long as Sony keep allowing fluff to be made and Sam Raimi leading the franchise... especially when other franchises are looking to follow Batman's lead(although Blade technically was first to change the genre).

 

[webhead731]

Extreme ignorant fans have been annoying but I say it hit a new high this year with Dark Knight.
Movie makes a load of money and suddenly it's

Dark Knight
Jesus Christ
Yourself

I loved the movie but I can't consider it one of the best in my eyes. I sat through it once and I don't need to see it again anytime soon. It had a good story with good acting and that's it. Action scenes weren't "OMG! MUST WATCH AGAIN!"
I'll still wear my Batman shirts, listen to the score (it's fun with Web of Shadows too), but that's where it stands. Joker made that movie. It wasn't too Batman for me. Joker Begins.

To say all movies need to take this route is ignorant talk from fans. Iron Man wasn't dark, The Incredible Hulk wasn't near TDK level, and they did just fine. Dark Knight did well with the dark thing because it's BATMAN. Not a light hero. Batfans and their "this movie is the best evar and no movie will evar top it zomg!" and "don't make anymore movies Marvel it's just TDK and nothng elsze!" need to shut up.
I see that mostly on the Hype's main page comments (that feature needs to be destroyed). Just because a movie is good doesn't give rights to brag about it like an idiot. Everytime I see that I feel ashamed to have liked Dark Knight as much as I did. But then I remember "I'm not one of those idiots so whatever".

Now, not every fan is like that. So don't even dare to accuse me of talking about you when I'm not.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

It's nothing to do with the money. SM3 made **** loads of moolah and look how that turned out.

 

[smoothbody]

If you look at the Hype's Home Page with a link to Mark Millar ideas about Superman... he makes a point that I and a few others have been trying to make.... albeit, in different ways.

The point is that BB & TDK has introduce a new way to produce comic book icons and their stories to the bid screen.... by making it OK to do a "Serious Comic Book Film". More realistic, more mature themed(which all kids like), with mild dark environment(like society which is worse) and some dark comedy & action(RockenRolla).

That's the next Level comic books film are progressing to... look at first Blade, than BB, IM, to some extent TIH, now TDK.

So to answer your question... NO. Spidey won't top anybody as long as Sony keep allowing fluff to be made and Sam Raimi leading the franchise... especially when other franchises are looking to follow Batman's lead(although Blade technically was first to change the genre).

Amen brother!!!

 

[Ace of Knaves]

I don't think a Spiderman movie should even try to top TDK. The comics are completely different material so their film incarnations should stay completely different.

 

[The Joker]

If you look at the Hype's Home Page with a link to Mark Millar ideas about Superman... he makes a point that I and a few others have been trying to make.... albeit, in different ways.

The point is that BB & TDK has introduce a new way to produce comic book icons and their stories to the bid screen.... by making it OK to do a "Serious Comic Book Film". More realistic, more mature themed(which all kids like), with mild dark environment(like society which is worse) and some dark comedy & action(RockenRolla).

That's the next Level comic books film are progressing to... look at first Blade, than BB, IM, to some extent TIH, now TDK.

So to answer your question... NO. Spidey won't top anybody as long as Sony keep allowing fluff to be made and Sam Raimi leading the franchise... especially when other franchises are looking to follow Batman's lead(although Blade technically was first to change the genre).

You actually make alot of good points there.

 

[Blader5489]

More realistic, more mature themed(which all kids like)

I would disagree with that. I know, just from taking my younger brother and his friends to the movies, that more kids prefer "lighter" films like Iron Man and Hulk to something serious like The Dark Knight.

 

[webhead731]

There have never been dark, serious comic book films before Dark Knight.

 

[Blader5489]

Yeah, because that's what I was saying.

 

[webhead731]

Really wasn't talking to you lol. Just stating something.

 

[ASM*]

opinons please.

Yes, yes it can. Spider-Man's character is more popular for one, all's it needs is the right story and the right execution. But with the kids today being all into the "dark" element i just don't know how dark they're willing to take Spidey.

 

[Leenie]

I dunno whats sadder: The souped up batfans bragging wayyy too much about a movie they'll turn on in two months, or the desperate spider-fans who are obviously hurt that their boy isnt top dog anymore

The accuracy of this statement is full of win.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Wow, this thread still hasn't been closed yet? Mods, please close this thread. I don't see why it's okay for a "TDK comparing to Spidey thread" to stay open.

Oh well though.

 

[Doctor Jones]

I know. Close it. Everything has pretty much been said. People shouldn't even be comparing those two comic book characters. Two completely different stories and tones. When making a comic book film. Tap into what works for the character. Don't make it dark for the sake of being dark. That worked for TDK. And I'm sick and tired of the arrogent a$$holes who keep saying "OMG TDK is the best movie eve! Nothing can top it! Do Spider-Man like TDK! What doesn't it have that TDK did?"

Please mods, these kinds of threads were started by people who in their worlds, everything should be like Batman and it's the only thing that's good. So what was so good about TDK they want to apply to everything.

I think the only thing we can look to TDK is the storytelling and how that was handled. Nothing else. No comparison. And I don't want poeple to say, "Make this just like TDK."

Because you know what? That will never happen. They will never listen to the poeple who complain while their film is making millions. Get a damn clue.

 

[The Joker]

Because you know what? That will never happen. They will never listen to the poeple who complain while their film is making millions. Get a damn clue.

I have to say that remarks like this always fascinate me. What makes you think anyone here believes that voicing their opinions here is going to carry some weight with the movie makers?

If we only talked about stuff that we could influence the movie makers with, there'd be nothing to talk about. We might as well shut down threads about stuff like what actors we'd like cast as certain villains, or what villains we'd like to see, or what action scenes we'd like, or how long the movie should be, or what the storyline should be etc.

Nobody with two brain cells to rub together is going to believe that anything we say here is going to carry weight with how a movie is made. And if you believe they do, then it's you who needs to get a damn clue.

We're here for discussion of our opinions on what we like/dislike/ or would like etc. That is the point of a message board, yes?

 

[mclay18]

I dunno whats sadder: The souped up batfans bragging wayyy too much about a movie they'll turn on in two months, or the desperate spider-fans who are obviously hurt that their boy isnt top dog anymore

I'm not either one of those people. Although to be honest, the die-hard Batfans will replay their DVDs and Blu-ray copies of TDK until they get sick of it and then they'll turn on it.

TDK is a great film but the amount of fans endlessly gushing over it (and ruthlessly attacking any critic-- hell, ANYONE who dares bad mouth TDK) just makes me shake my head. People have opinions... if they don't like TDK, that's fine, but don't flame them or send hate mail because of it.

The die-hards who spend their time and effort on badmouthing every person who dislikes TDK is just as ridiculous as the fans' hysterical reactions to the HP 6 move to July 2009. Believe me, I'm a HP fan, but the reaction was unwarranted -- did anyone consider that Warners is a entertainment business?

 

[Doctor Jones]

I have to say that remarks like this always fascinate me. What makes you think anyone here believes that voicing their opinions here is going to carry some weight with the movie makers?

If we only talked about stuff that we could influence the movie makers with, there'd be nothing to talk about. We might as well shut down threads about stuff like what actors we'd like cast as certain villains, or what villains we'd like to see, or what action scenes we'd like, or how long the movie should be, or what the storyline should be etc.

Nobody with two brain cells to rub together is going to believe that anything we say here is going to carry weight with how a movie is made. And if you believe they do, then it's you who needs to get a damn clue.

We're here for discussion of our opinions on what we like/dislike/ or would like etc. That is the point of a message board, yes?

I'm talking about making the aspects of TDK. And I do agree, studios do listen to us on alot of things. Like Marvel for instance. But what I mean is if you're gonna look for something in TDK look at it's storytelling capabilities. That's it. Now how dark it is. Not how mature it is. How it was made. But with doing things with TDK like with its themes and morals only apply to Batman. Batman and Spider-Man have different problems and different issues. I don't want to see Spider-Man taking the blame for someone else's wrongdoing and being hunted and being called a hero that New York deserves but not the one it needs right now.

That's what people need to get the clue with. They're different characters. And making the other from whatever made that other character good will only hurt it.

Oh, and nice avvy.

 

[Spiderine]

If you look at the Hype's Home Page with a link to Mark Millar ideas about Superman... he makes a point that I and a few others have been trying to make.... albeit, in different ways.

The point is that BB & TDK has introduce a new way to produce comic book icons and their stories to the bid screen.... by making it OK to do a "Serious Comic Book Film". More realistic, more mature themed(which all kids like), with mild dark environment(like society which is worse) and some dark comedy & action(RockenRolla).

That's the next Level comic books film are progressing to... look at first Blade, than BB, IM, to some extent TIH, now TDK.

So to answer your question... NO. Spidey won't top anybody as long as Sony keep allowing fluff to be made and Sam Raimi leading the franchise... especially when other franchises are looking to follow Batman's lead(although Blade technically was first to change the genre).

Well said.

 

[LightningFlash]

Wow, this thread still hasn't been closed yet? Mods, please close this thread. I don't see why it's okay for a "TDK comparing to Spidey thread" to stay open.

Oh well though.

And why is that?

Maybe either Marvel or Raimi will one day read this and decide to have a REBOOT and do things right.

 

[dark_b]

must spiderman 4 make mroe then TDK?
it can make 400 miliosn and be the best spiderman movie.
but to some people this will not be enough right?

i understand when studiso want to make more money since to them its about profit to use on otehr movies.
i really get it.
but i dont understand why fans care.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

To be honest I don't think i'd want to see a Spiderman film in the mould or similer to The Dark Knight. I do like Spidey, so I want to see films that are like the Spidey comics. Same way I want to see Batman films that are true to the comics.
They are completely different. Spidey should be with the wise-cracks all the time, sorta like John McClane style, you know what i mean. SM3 he was some whiny little prick who I didn't like. I prefered Harry to him in that. So they need to sort Parkers attitude out, no love triangle bollox.
Batman is darker comic book material and Spiderman is more comedic I would say. So the films should be like that.

 

[hatebox]

It's funny how people have jumped on this thread as if it's saying Spidey should be dark.

Really all it asked is whether a Spiderman film can be better than TDK, 'better' being however you choose to take it.

With Raimi and co. it clearly won't, but who knows after him?

 

[Doctor Jones]

And why is that?

Maybe either Marvel or Raimi will one day read this and decide to have a REBOOT and do things right.

:facepalm

You, sir, are an idiot. And just for good measure.

:facepalm