Sequels Can a Spider-Man movie ever top The Dark Knight?

[Chewy]

Milk has been out for a little while now, I was lucky enough to see the Wrestler at a preview, and I just saw Frost/Nixon this morning.

 

[Ace of Knaves]

Milk has been out for a little while now, I was lucky enough to see the Wrestler at a preview, and I just saw Frost/Nixon this morning.

Cool. Yea I have heard that The Wrestler is a serious oscar contender, Mickey gives a barn-storming performance doesn't he?

Back on topic. The thing TDK done so well was juggle mulitple characters and plots brilliantly. Thats where SM3 fell down, it just got too convoluted and silly. The whole thing where Harry's butler just randomly came out and said that his father was at fault for his own death was just shockingly bad. And to be honest, Harry had a much better story and was 100000x more likeable than Peter in SM3. Hopefully everyone involved in the next installment learns by their mistakes because I really, really want to see a brilliant Spidey film. SM 1 and 2 were great, but I still wanna see something more. Where was the kick ass, happy go lucky, wise cracking Peter PArker from the comics? All I saw in all 3 films was a whiny, love-lorn dick head. Maybe not so much in the first one but he still didn't come across as the Spidey I know and love.

 

[Crockett]

Hard too imagine a Spider-Man movie top TDK, but it has the potential with the right people involved. Maybe if Christopher Nolan is one of them.

 

[jeffjhicks]

Hard too imagine a Spider-Man movie top TDK, but it has the potential with the right people involved. Maybe if Christopher Nolan is one of them.

No, no, no! Nolan is the Batman guy keep him outta the Marvel Universe! Spider-Man 4 can be good, just excise all of Mary Jane's whining and we'll be 20% of the way there. Again, apples and oranges my friends. Spider-Man and Batman can't be judged (in film at least) on the same levels. They're two separate characters with separate styles. To make Spider-Man as dark as Batman you'd have to use source material based on the mid-to late 1980's Spider-Man, where the tone was a little more serious (Kraven's Last Hunt, Death of Jean DeWolf etc.) Another thing is the ad campaign. Make it looks like it will appeal to all ages and not focus on selling toys to the kids as much this tome around. Oh and Raimi, if you don't straighten up, GTFO

 

[Crockett]

I wasn't serious about Nolan being in a SM franchise.
But yeah, I would like to see maybe a "requel" (something like what they did with the Hulk universe) for the SM franchise. Like a new movie with a new director & cast and like Parker is already Spider-Man. Or at least they could change the director, the franchise needs more fresh-blood.

 

[TheSlag]

You say it can........easily. Then in the same breath you say it's doubtful!

Which one is it? It can't be easy but still be doubtful!!

LOL.. Yes it can.

It can easily based on the rich subject material available from the comics, and yet it is not likely as:

a) they have chose to ignore most of the history, stories, characters, etc. associated with the comics for their own adaption
b) they have chosen to make the subject matter more kid friendly

 

[TheSlag]

Well said Ace. I also agree TDK is the best comic book adaptation. TDK's success benefit's this genre as a whole. It's great to see comic book films that raise the bar. I feel SM3 was too ambitious of a film coming off the heels of SM2. This series needs to get back to what made it successful. Spider-Man is not a dark character and should never be portrayed that way. It may not top TDK's box office numbers but I can see a Spider-Man film at the very least matching TDK in quality. And that's all that should matter. A quality Spider-Man film.

Not a dark character? Have you read the comics?

Death of Gwen Stacy at the hands of a phsycopath? Sound familiar?

 

[LightningFlash]

If they did a reboot, bring in Gwen Stacy and have Green Goblin kill her. Uncle Ben and Gwen Stacy's death both in one movie will define Spidey from the beginning.

 

[TheSlag]

/\... why all in one movie? Spider-Man has proven it's box office success, so no need to rush the story (in fear there might not be a sequel).

To try to do it all in one movie would be an injustice to the characters and their storylines, along the lines of what happened to the symbiote/Eddie Brock/Black Spider-Man/Venom in SM3.

Delevlop the characters, and their stories. Flesh them out like they did in the comics. Give them, and their stores, the respect they deserve.

Greatness is greatness... regardless of the medium.

 

[LightningFlash]

You can flesh out a great character in one movie, much like Nolan did with Harvey Dent. You can flesh out as much of Uncle Ben as Raimi did and kill him off, while showing off Gwen Stacy's character and show her friendship with Peter, then having it blossom until Osborn finds out who Spider-Man really is, then killing Stacy. It can be done.

And for the symbiote/Eddie Brock/Venom storyline for Spider-Man 3, if you read the novelization, it can be done. Raimi, I don't know why, but perhaps he should've taken a gander at the novel, each character was fleshed out perfectly.

 

[I'm Venom]

I think Heaths death would maybe effect the opening weekend, but to have the legs that TDK had is absolutely nothing to do with Ledger.

Actually, the ONLY reason I went to see The Dark Knight was because of Heath's death. Honestly, I had no interest in seeing the movie when I heard about it, then when Heath died, the rumors started about cause of death being the character getting to his head, making him go insane, etc. I know that it was an accidental overdose, but nevertheless, Heath wouldn't have been on medication in the first place if he wasn't having trouble sleeping, which came from feeling like he was being haunted.

I went from not caring about the movie at all to buying opening day tickets in advance, and ONLY because I wanted to see Heath as Joker.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Well I'm sure Heath death help inflate the numbers at the BO, but give credit where credit is due.... the film was a very good, well done, comic book film. Credo's to Nolan.

 

[I'm Venom]

The film was very overrated. Yes, Heath was brilliant, and Eckhart was good too, but as such, I think this film is overrated just because of Heath's death.

 

[The Joker]

The film was very overrated. Yes, Heath was brilliant, and Eckhart was good too, but as such, I think this film is overrated just because of Heath's death.

The movie had massive hype surrounding it long before Heath's death. And it totally lived up to it.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

Well I'm sure Heath death help inflate the numbers at the BO, but give credit where credit is due.... the film was a very good, well done, comic book film. Credo's to Nolan.

Everyone is giving credit, but what some people (such as me) are saying is that TDK is a little overrated.

 

[Venom'sDad]

Yeah.... it may be overrated as a regular film in the mist with others of all genre; but as a "comic book film", it is far from being overrated.... imho.

 

[I'm Venom]

The movie had massive hype surrounding it long before Heath's death. And it totally lived up to it.

Okay, the acting was superb, especially Heath's performance, but what's the deal? The movie didn't blow me away. The only reason I watched this movie, again, was to watch Heath's performance. Hopefully Nolan goes back to the flow of Batman Begins.

 

[The Joker]

Okay, the acting was superb, especially Heath's performance, but what's the deal? The movie didn't blow me away. The only reason I watched this movie, again, was to watch Heath's performance.

That's you.

There's some people who were not blown away by Spider-Man 2 like alot of us Spidey fans were. There's even people who dislike Raimi's take on Spider-Man altogether. Different strokes for different folks.

 

[I'm Venom]

That's you.

There's some people who were not blown away by Spider-Man 2 like alot of us Spidey fans were. Different strokes for different folks.

I guess, but I just don't understand the hype. It wasn't the worst movie, but it wasn't the best by any means.

 

[Venom'sDad]

^ Who's better?

 

[LightningFlash]

Everyone is giving credit, but what some people (such as me) are saying is that TDK is a little overrated.

And if Spider-Man 3 was just as good, you would be saying "S-M 3 is so amazing, blah-blah-blah".

TDK is not over-rated. It's an intelligent movie. Or how about someone name one mistake in the movie?

 

[I'm Venom]

TDK is not over-rated. It's an intelligent movie. Or how about someone name one mistake in the movie?

The script was lacking, the ending was okay at best, the movie ran way too long, and the absence of Katie Holmes was a distraction throughout the movie.

Heath Ledger is the movie. Without his death, it would've been just another Batman.

 

[rashad]

That's your opinion. Thankfully.

 

[Spider-ManHero12]

TDK is not over-rated.

Says who? People that I have talked to say that it's becoming overrated. It's an amazing film, but people have been milking it dry.

 

[The Joker]

I guess, but I just don't understand the hype. It wasn't the worst movie, but it wasn't the best by any means.

I've seen people say the same thing about the Spidey movies.

I've seen complaints like the movies are focused way too much on the romance between Peter and MJ: "This story is all about a girl". The villains are watered down, as most of them are misguided souls who turn good at the end. Every villain has to have a personal connection to Peter. Kirsten Dunst is miscast as MJ, and the character of MJ herself is badly written. Spider-Man doesn't quip enough. The redundancy of MJ being captured in every movie.

I could go on and on. Everyone has their views. One man's trash is another man's treasure.