Sequels Can a Spider-Man movie ever top The Dark Knight?

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Nah, I don't think they'll do that. They learned their lesson the first time with Burton. Plus, TDK was a hit beyond their wildest dreams. Biggest ticket seller ever for them. The amount of profits it has and will continue to generate for them are enough to cover 2 movies. Batman 3 will be Nolan's last one if he even bothers, so the franchise will be going in a different direction with a new director at some point. What would be really novel of them is to simply end it with Nolan, especially if he manages to deliver a third film on par with the first two. But we know that won't happen. They'll keep coming back to the cash cow probably for as long as the studio exists.


well lets hope so. I'm also hoping sam can return to winning ways but I fear that ship has sailed but I've got my fingers crosses. sam hopefully be working with a silver age villian (lizard) so they may reignite his passion.
 
well lets hope so. I'm also hoping sam can return to winning ways but I fear that ship has sailed but I've got my fingers crosses. sam hopefully be working with a silver age villian (lizard) so they may reignite his passion.

Lizard is a great villain. They have got to do something with the BS melodrama though. As you said, stop focusing so much on MJ. I know she's an important character, but Dunst completely ruins it. I would like to see Lizard, Kraven, and Carnage used at some point in the next 3 Spidey movies.
 
Can a Spider-Man movie ever top The Dark Knight?

yes, but only by dropping the notion the spiderman movie have to revolve around a girl.

Gosh yes :up:

I love Spider-Man 1 and 2, but they need to stop MJ being the focus of Peter's life. And it doesn't help that MJ is such a badly written character who uses men and breaks their hearts to satisfy her own insecurities.
 
Gosh yes :up:

I love Spider-Man 1 and 2, but they need to stop MJ being the focus of Peter's life. And it doesn't help that MJ is such a badly written character who uses men and breaks their hearts to satisfy her own insecurities.

Badly acted too. Dunst ruins the character IMHO. Anyone else pleasantly surprised at how good Paltrow was in Iron Man? That is more along the lines of what I'd like to see in Spidey with the love interest. And I hate Paltrow but I'm not afraid to admit when someone does a surprisingly good job on something.
 
Gosh yes :up:

I love Spider-Man 1 and 2, but they need to stop MJ being the focus of Peter's life. And it doesn't help that MJ is such a badly written character who uses men and breaks their hearts to satisfy her own insecurities.


for SM4 if it is the lizard, mj should have a minor role and the focus of the movie should be conners, conner's relationship with his family and peter's relationship with conners and later the difficult choice peter has to face in protecting a freind and bringing a savage beast to justice. the way I see it there should be no room for romance. yes pete loves mj, we get it, move on for **** sakes!!
 
for SM4 if it is the lizard, mj should have a minor role and the focus of the movie should be conners, conner's relationship with his family and peter's relationship with conners and later the difficult choice peter has to face in protecting a freind and bringing a savage beast to justice. the way I see it there should be no room for romance. yes pete loves mj, we get it, move on for **** sakes!!

I agree :up: And it would be nice if they wrote MJ like MJ for once, not some depressed woman who shares her name.
 
I can't believe what I;m hearing about continuing what they're doing now it could head down the B&R path. Raimi ain't no Shumacher. That's pretty self explanatory. Compare the two and their projects and what they had to say about them.

Give Raimi another chance, he can deliever a quality film on the same level as SM1 and 2.

Who the hell care if it tops TDK or not? If you think it should, you're in it for the wrong reasons. Because I know that's what Raimi won't think about. Let it be its own film and make a damn good one.
 
I can't believe what I;m hearing about continuing what they're doing now it could head down the B&R path. Raimi ain't no Shumacher. That's pretty self explanatory. Compare the two and their projects and what they had to say about them.

Give Raimi another chance, he can deliever a quality film on the same level as SM1 and 2.

Who the hell care if it tops TDK or not? If you think it should, you're in it for the wrong reasons. Because I know that's what Raimi won't think about. Let it be its own film and make a damn good one.

Here, here.
When i finished readin' that i heard the noise of a standing ovation in my head.
 
Can a Spider-Man film "reach the level of depth and complexity of The Dark Knight?" That's an unfair question.

To start, the two comic book companies have always had two very different approaches and it shows on film. When I think of DC Comics, I think of psychological engagement. When I think of Marvel Comics, I think of contemporary appeal, what people want in the here and now. Neither approach is necessarily bad in the transition to film. Sometimes I want films that are competent yet spectacular. Other times, I'm willing to put aside the popcorn and be challenged to think. It's hard to compare and contrast once I've realized I have differing sets of expectations.

When you examine both characters in their film franchises, it's easy to tell how that difference in tone impacts them. Batman delves into a lot of symbolism, whereas Spider-Man is the Everyman. We've seen what happens when Batman tries to be an Everyman figure; it gets goofy, because we know his background doesn't allow for a constant stream of feelgood moments. Similarly, the last Spider-Man film's direction clashed with what could have been a dark, pessimistic story and we got what we got: this odd amalgam of the family friendly with the potentially nightmarish. In neither scenario do the characters hold up, but that's not because they've somehow gone bad or are incapable of greatness. The tone's just wonky.

The goal of the next Spider-Man film should be to give people a fresh, appealing story. Its goal should not be to "top" The Dark Knight. You don't excel by setting for the same bar. You excel by being a good kind of different. So long as they have a good sense of what people want to see and work with the tone they can do the most with, any Spider-Man sequel can be worthy of praise. Granted, different direction could be in order, but Raimi's done well in the past. They can safely move forward, if that's what Sony's still intent on doing with this film franchise.
 
Good post Chibi.

I think that Raimi and co should just set out to make the best film they possibly can, just put 100% effort in. Then it shouldn't matter if it tops TDK. Spidey and Batman are soooo different, it would be stupid to try and do a Spidey film in the mould of TDK.
 
Badly acted too. Dunst ruins the character IMHO. Anyone else pleasantly surprised at how good Paltrow was in Iron Man? That is more along the lines of what I'd like to see in Spidey with the love interest. And I hate Paltrow but I'm not afraid to admit when someone does a surprisingly good job on something.
I don't know why everyone says Dunst acted so badly.
she was just following the script. it's the writting that is bad, not her acting. I don't like her in the role, but she did a good job with what she had: an annoying MJ.
 
for SM4 if it is the lizard, mj should have a minor role and the focus of the movie should be conners, conner's relationship with his family and peter's relationship with conners and later the difficult choice peter has to face in protecting a freind and bringing a savage beast to justice. the way I see it there should be no room for romance. yes pete loves mj, we get it, move on for **** sakes!!
right, if there is gonna be a villian that Peter knows he has to stop but he can't hurt his friend then that should be the main plot. But I still bet a dollar in SM4 Lizard will capture MJ for the final fight just like all the other villians.
 
right, if there is gonna be a villian that Peter knows he has to stop but he can't hurt his friend then that should be the main plot. But I still bet a dollar in SM4 Lizard will capture MJ for the final fight just like all the other villians.
Lizard would have to be rational to do it, which I hope he isn't.
 
I doubt a Spider-Man movie could, especially directed by Raimi, but I know a lot more people wanna see a Superman film...but a GOOD one...like the first, but with this generation of effects, great actors, and Superman FIGHTING someone...Superman Returns could've been up there with the Dark Knight..if only we had a better director than Singer.
 
A Spider-Man Movie CAN top TDK in my oppinion if someone who understands and love the Spider Universe and Stories like Chris Nolan loves and understood the Batman Universe and of course, with a talented crew on their side.


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I will really never understand all the hate SM3 gets. That's just me though. We have villains like Lizard left unused, and he fits the bill of what has worked for Raimi in past Spider-Man movies. I feel strongly SM4 will be a return to SM1 and SM2 quality. I really do.
 
I doubt a Spider-Man movie could, especially directed by Raimi, but I know a lot more people wanna see a Superman film...but a GOOD one...like the first, but with this generation of effects, great actors, and Superman FIGHTING someone...Superman Returns could've been up there with the Dark Knight..if only we had a better director than Singer.
not trying to turn it into a Superman thread...but Singer is a great director. he made a good movie. its only flaw was the lack of a stronger villain.
 
I don't know why everyone says Dunst acted so badly.
she was just following the script. it's the writting that is bad, not her acting. I don't like her in the role, but she did a good job with what she had: an annoying MJ.


Exactly. It wasn't her fault that they wrote her character completely unlike her much more interesting comic counterpart.

And Chibi, while I agree with most of your post, I wouldn't say that you can't have some darkness in a Spider-man movie. As many have said, Kraven's Last Hunt is an excellent example of darkness in a Spider-man story. The Symbiote story had great potential, but Raimi's desire for campy humor botched it. The cartoon version of the Venom story was darker then this movie.
 
I won't argue that you can't. Still, Raimi doesn't seem to know how to handle it. If the film series is going to continue with Raimi at the helm, it's best that he works within his comfort zone, which- to me- means the more lighthearted 60s material.
 
not trying to turn it into a Superman thread...but Singer is a great director. he made a good movie. its only flaw was the lack of a stronger villain.

Turning Superman into a stalker was not a brilliant move, imo.
 
Is it me or the general public seemed to disown Spider-Man as soon as The Dark Knight came out? The eurphea (sp?) of ZOMGGG THE BEST SUPERHERO MOVIE EVARRR was so staunch I couldn't stand it, even though I adored the film. I read someone say so randomly "way better than the Spider-Man films". OK, what does Spider-Man have to do with Batman? Than I thought, that's because they are the reigning supreme superhero films right now.
 
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