Can Men be Trusted? With your Woman.

[Erzengel]

I dare you to find an example where I said that diagreeing with me can land you in jail.

Also...I dare you to name ONE ADULT...just one...who has lived their life without ever being betrayed by someone they trusted.

Just one...in all of human history.

If I am wrong on my point, it should be easy.

I don't want to disagree with you, I value my freedom.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I dare you to find an example where I said that diagreeing with me can land you in jail.

Welcome to the definition of the word "legally".

Also...I dare you to name ONE ADULT...just one...who has lived their life without ever being betrayed by someone they trusted.

Just one...in all of human history.

If I am wrong on my point, it should be easy.

To be honest, I can't think of one example in my life of someone I trusted betraying me.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

I have provided example after example already.

As my FIRST POST said...I know a guy whos FATHER made a move on his girlfriend.

Fathers...typically...are people that the son has known for awhile...and theoretically there is a level of trust....

I could come up with...heck...MILLIONS of examples. Why do you even need them? Are you not able to figure this out? Every single person who has argued against me in this thread has had EXACTLY WHAT IM SAYING happen to them. Why argue that my point isnt true when you cant come up with a single person that it did NOT happen to?? Its just stupid that we are still discussing whether or not people get betrayed by their friends. OF COURSE THEY DO. That doesnt mean all of your friends are plotting against you right now, or anything other than my very basic stated point.

What I find funny is that my point is so simple, so obvious...yet people keep nitpicking "Oh, Heretic thinks he's legally and historically right about everything". No, I dont...but on this very basic point of "can you trust people" I AM legally and historically right. I am absolutely stunned that people are arguing against that point.

I will agree that you're correct that all friends let each other down once in a while, but that it's usually something small, not a very big breach of trust. I trust that my friends and family will not end up killing me, I also trust that my friends or family will not rape my girlfriend if she was alone with them. Hell, I doubt they'd even try anything with her, why because they value our friendship and wouldn't betray it in such a huge way. That's not to say I didn't/don't know people who have messed around with other friends girlfriends, but in every case, the relationship was already hanging by a string and neither person was doing anything to save it. None of my friends have tried anything on another friends boy/girlfriend if they were in a very stable/solid relationship.

 

[Heretic]

Theoretically I know nothing about this man, or his son, or his history. Maybe he's a total *****ebag. Maybe he's always been a total *****ebag. Maybe his son knew this for a really, really, really, long time.

I don't know, you tell me why I asked for them. You've been reading everyone's posts. You ought to have some idea of what we've been trying to tell you for the last hundred posts or so.

Oh...so you asked for an example of betrayed trust...i gave you one...and because YOU DONT KNOW HIM you disqualify my point.

So basically, you want me to come up with an example of someone YOU KNOW that has been betrayed. Well, you got me...Ii have no idea who you are...dont care to either...and so therefore I cant name anyone in your life who has been betrayed. I would like for you to name someone in your life who has NEVER been betrayed by someone they trusted.

Lacey Peterson was murdered by her husband Scott. Theoretically, a husband is someone you trust.

Marvin Gaye was shot dead by his father...again...fathers theoretically should be able to be trusted not to shoot their sons.

Susan Smith drowned all of her kids in a car, because she wanted to be with the man she was cheating on her husband with. Geez...thats a lot of trust violated.

The Catholic church has been involved in a scandal for years regarding priests molesting young boys. Im not a religious man, but I assume that people instill a certain amount of trust in their priest.

I could go on and on and on and on.

 

[Heretic]

Welcome to the definition of the word "legally".

thats right folks...Shadowboxing thinks that the definition of the word "legally" means that if you disagree with someone that you can be arrested.

Shadow, Im sorry...but thats not what legally means. This little nitpick is beyond stupid.

Im saying this...according to those who know crime statistics...check with your local police department on this one...the most heinous abuses of trust happen with the people that are trusted the most.


That has nothing to do with "agree with me or go to jail". Its just a fact. Most crimes committed against people are committed by people they know/trust.

I am very sorry that you are unable to define very basic words...and feel the need to accuse me of such.

 

[Erzengel]

Can you now define for me joke and or sarcasm?

 

[Nirvana]

Can you now define for me joke and or sarcasm?

I wonder if he even knows what Betrayal really is.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

thats right folks...Shadowboxing thinks that the definition of the word "legally" means that if you disagree with someone that you can be arrested.

Shadow, Im sorry...but thats not what legally means. This little nitpick is beyond stupid.

Legally:
legal - established by or founded upon law or official or accepted rules
legal - of or relating to jurisprudence; "legal loophole"
having legal efficacy or force; "a sound title to the property"
legal - relating to or characteristic of the profession of law; "the legal profession"
legal - allowed by official rules; "a legal pass receiver"

http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=define:+legally&aq=f&oq=

 

[ShadowBoxing]

I wonder if he even knows what Betrayal really is.

"Trust" and "friend" seem to be thrown around like used condoms in his posts as well.

 

[Heretic]

I wonder if he even knows what Betrayal really is.

Im wondering the same thing about almost everyone in this thread.

There are degrees of betrayal.

And no one in this thread seems to have ever been betrayed by someone they trusted.

Theyve never had a friend steal from them, never had a girl cheat on them, never been lied to.

This is ridiculous. Every single person in this thread knows that I am right. If you are claiming to have NEVER been betrayed by a friend or loved one then...your a liar. Its a simple as that. High school is a daily series of betrayals...but not for you guys...youve lived perfect lives where no one has ever intentionally done you wrong.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Im wondering the same thing about almost everyone in this thread.

There are degrees of betrayal.

And no one in this thread seems to have ever been betrayed by someone they trusted.

Theyve never had a friend steal from them, never had a girl cheat on them, never been lied to.

This is ridiculous. Every single person in this thread knows that I am right. If you are claiming to have NEVER been betrayed by a friend or loved one then...your a liar. Its a simple as that. High school is a daily series of betrayals...but not for you guys...youve lived perfect lives where no one has ever intentionally done you wrong.

You've gotta stop with the freudian slips. They're just borderline amusing now.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

Is anyone TiVoing this, because it's gold.

 

[Heretic]

"Trust" and "friend" seem to be thrown around like used condoms in his posts as well.

No, not really.

I have flat out stated that many people who consider me to be a friend are not because I have a stricter definition of the term in my life.

and as far as trust...Ive used examples of fathers, brothers, husbands, mothers and priests...are you saying that those are people you shouldnt trust? or that people dont trust????

The only one changing ANYTHING is you. You really expect people to believe that your trust has never been violated???? Even in a small way???

You've never been cheated on? Youve never been lied to?

Oh..I get it...you didnt REALLY TRUST the people who did that...thats a great way of making yourself always right. Simply redefine the terms after the fact.

What? my girlfriend cheated on me?? Oh...um...I didnt trust her anyway...Im still sacred and pure!!!!

 

[Heretic]

You've gotta stop with the freudian slips. They're just borderline amusing now.

Are you now arguing that high school aged kids do NOT betray their friends?? Or are you arguing that I may be in high school??? Or you are arguing that I secretly want to betray high school kids???

help me out with that one buddy...my statement was very clear, but youve read more into it (as you have with every post Ive made)

 

[ShadowBoxing]

No, not really.

I have flat out stated that many people who consider me to be a friend are not because I have a stricter definition of the term in my life.

I think this says more about your ego than it does about their misconceptions.

and as far as trust...Ive used examples of fathers, brothers, husbands, mothers and priests...are you saying that those are people you shouldnt trust? or that people dont trust????

Or maybe I'm saying trust is not dependent on some meaningless distinction.

The only one changing ANYTHING is you. You really expect people to believe that your trust has never been violated???? Even in a small way???

If it's something minor, I'd hardly consider it a violation of my trust. It seems to me you blow very slight inconveniences out of proportion as a means of furthering your "point".

You've never been cheated on? Youve never been lied to?

I have, I don't see how this feeds into your dystopian world in the least.

Oh..I get it...you didnt REALLY TRUST the people who did that...thats a great way of making yourself always right. Simply redefine the terms after the fact.

Wow Sherlock, you might be onto something. Has it ever occurred to you maybe some of us aren't so gullible as to end up like Lacey Peterson or the people Madoff scammed recently. It could theoretically happen, but I'm a firm believer that people make their own luck and are responsible for their own actions and consequences. The world you seem to live in is this weird Matrix-esque world where one of your friends will just randomly rape you for no apparent reason. I don't see things that way. Sorry.

What? my girlfriend cheated on me?? Oh...um...I didnt trust her anyway...Im still sacred and pure!!!!

Or you know, you could just be sensible in who you choose to be in a relationship with *shrug*.

 

[Heretic]

Sensible???

So youre blaming the VICTIM of every murder, affair or scam ever committed?????

Im sorry Shadow...but many, many cases of this sort come out of nowhere. I know, you may have the super power to seee who will do what...but most people do not. Most people are shocked when their loved oes do something horrendous. But thats okay...keep blaming the victim.

And my definition f friend is very strict because to me...friends are people I DO feel comfortable sharing things with. People I COULD leave my wallet with and trust that all the money would still be ther when i returned. However, many of the people I know who consider me a "friend" barely even know me...its not ego on my part...its a more relaxed definition on their part. i have people who say Im their "friend" who have only met me twice. I have people I just know from touring that will openly proclaim that we are friends. Im not dissing them. I dont mean them any disrepect...but under my definition we are not "friends".

 

[Colossal Spoons]

Is anyone TiVoing this, because it's gold.

No sir, seen one Greg thread seen 'em all.

 

[amazingfantasy15]

Sensible???

So youre blaming the VICTIM of every murder, affair or scam ever committed?????

Im sorry Shadow...but many, many cases of this sort come out of nowhere. I know, you may have the super power to seee who will do what...but most people do not. Most people are shocked when their loved oes do something horrendous. But thats okay...keep blaming the victim.

And my definition f friend is very strict because to me...friends are people I DO feel comfortable sharing things with. People I COULD leave my wallet with and trust that all the money would still be ther when i returned. However, many of the people I know who consider me a "friend" barely even know me...its not ego on my part...its a more relaxed definition on their part. i have people who say Im their "friend" who have only met me twice. I have people I just know from touring that will openly proclaim that we are friends. Im not dissing them. I dont mean them any disrepect...but under my definition we are not "friends".

Stop using these extreme cases, that's why no one's seeing your point. You're defining betrayal as murder, rape or molesting a kid and someone's friend doing that to you or someone close to you is the exception not the rule. We've all had friends let us down at times, but it's usually minor, not a criminal act. You'd have a lot more supporters if you used less dramatic examples.

 

[Erzengel]

And stop saying your are historically and legally right.

 

[Heretic]

Okay...you guys got me. I admit it. Throughout history, and throughout the courts of law...there is no evidence that friends betray friends and family members betray other family members. I feel really stupid for even suggesting that it has ever occurred.

Now that I think about it...even I cant think of a single instance where a friend has betrayed a friend. Ive never been lied to. No girl has ever cheated on me. Those Spawn comics that my friend stole are probably just lost in my collection, even though he later admitted to stealing them. That time my brother stole some stuff and then blamed me for it...maybe I DID steal it and forgot! That time that my best friends girlfriend was raped by another one of his best friends...that never happened either.

You guys are right...police are wrong...judges are wrong...history books are wrong...and most of all...I am wrong. Friends never betray friends.

Because after all...my ENTIRE point was that you never fully know who you can trust...but yes...apparently you can. And if you trust someone, and you are victimized...it is YOUR fault for trusting the wrong person.

 

[Erzengel]

Thank you. At least we are all on the same page now.

 

[Nirvana]

Hooray!

 

[Heretic]

Now that I have opened my eyes...I would just like to say, on behalf of Shadowboxing, Erzengel and the rest...

If you have been lied to...
If you have been cheated on...
If you have been raped...
If you have been stolen from...
If you are a child who has been molested by a priest...

It is YOUR FAULT. You should try not to be so stupid with your trust! How dare you blame the rapist, blame the thief, blame the molester...it is YOUR poor judgement that got you into this mess.

There! That'll learn 'em! People like me and Shadow...we're too enlightened to EVER let anyone get one over on us! I feel so superior to all of those dolts who will be "victimized'. Idiots.

In fact, I think all crime commited by people the victim knows should be legalized...since it is the victims fault. They have only themselves to blame.

There it is folks...set in stone by the members of Superherohype!

No one at SHH has ever had their trust betrayed by a friend...whether it be a small infraction or a large infraction. We are THAT much better than everyone else!

 

[Erzengel]

Now I can say you are legally right.

 

[ShadowBoxing]

And stop saying your are historically and legally right.

A day in the life of Heretic.

"Honey I'm home"

"Hey, how are you?"

"I'm good, did you pick up my stuff at the dry cleaners?"

"Oh, I'm sorry, I forgot, I'll do it tomor*"

*interrupting*
"What!!! You have BETRAYED ME. BETRAYER. I spend all day pretending to know rock stars and THIS IS THE THANKS I GET!!!! ARGGGGG!!!!!"