The Dark Knight Capes and Cowls - New Batsuit Discussion Thread

[Superhobo]

It's a badly designed suit TO YOU. Others see it as a good design that is fitting to the Batman character, especially the one that exists in Nolan's movie-verse.

You're gonna have to take it as read that every one of my posts comes with an invisible 'IMHO' at the end.

 

[Saint]

It's a badly designed suit TO YOU. Others see it as a good design that is fitting to the Batman character, especially the one that exists in Nolan's movie-verse.

And, accordingly, you saying "it's good" is as worthless as him saying "it's bad."

This is why people need to stop going around saying things like "It's just your opinion." Everybody knows that already, and it's not a useful counterpoint to anything. It only confirms mutual worthlessness.

 

[JamalYIgle]

Explain how the X-Men suits made sense in a way that Lujho's suit does not.





I didn't ask for your reasons for liking the existing suit (because liking the existing suit is not the issue), or your thoughts on the reasons Batman is scary. What I asked is for you to explain by what criteria Lujho's mock up looks, as you described, "silly," especially while other comparable film costumes are not. You haven't explained that.

If you're looking for a fight I already explained my opinion. I don't like it, frankly it looks silly. there doesn't need to be an explanation on my part other than that.If it make you feel better, I'll expand on my opinion futher.
In the context of what Chris Nolan is doing with the series, it looks like cheap spandex and not very attractive to me. I didn't like the Daredevil costume because it looked equally as useless and implausible. For a character like Daredevil I would expect him to wear the lightest possible materials becuse he's a gymnast. I couldn't buy Ben Affleck in 60'lbs of leather doing back flips and somersaults.the X-men suits worked for me because it got away from the spandex look of the comic books. it gave them the uniformity you'd expect from the x-men but were far slicker and more protective looking.

 

[JamalYIgle]

Well me too. But I was referring to how you described it as something cheap a teenager would make. It looks waaay to professional from the detailing to the actual materials used.

I had a problem with that too.

 

[Saint]

If you're looking for a fight

I'm looking for an explanation.

I already explained my opinion.

No you haven't: you've told me what your opinion is. Telling me what it is and explaining it are two different things. Again, what I'm asking is for you to explain how it looks "silly."

I don't like it, frankly it looks silly.

Again: by what criteria?

there doesn't need to be an explanation on my part other than that.

Of course there does. I can't imagine holding an opinion without reason. Such an opinion would be worthless, and not worth holding. It doesn't make sense to believe something you can't explain. Likewise, it doesn't make sense to argue your opinion without explaining it.

In the context of what Chris Nolan is doing with the series, it looks like cheap spandex

Nonsense, it doesn't look spandex at all. It doesn't look like any material in particular, but it certainly looks like one with weight and shape to it--of which spandex has neither. It looks like a sculpted garment, maybe with some other material over top. It could just as easily be the exact same neoprene and foam rubber used in the Begins suit--and it comparably designed, to boot.

equally as useless and implausible.

Explain how it looks useless and implausible. It looks exactly like the Begins suit, except with the armour disguised.

For a character like Daredevil I would expect him to wear the lightest possible materials becuse he's a gymnast. I couldn't buy Ben Affleck in 60'lbs of leather doing back flips and somersaults.

Okay, I'll buy this.

the X-men suits worked for me because it got away from the spandex look of the comic books. it gave them the uniformity you'd expect from the x-men but were far slicker and more protective looking.

I don't want to get into a debate about other costumes, but I will say slickness and protectiveness could have been done faithfully. Uniformity I'll buy.

 

[bunk]

But... aw never mind.

 

[-Arya-]

I still prefer the actual DK suit over the manip. I think the manip looks ok but the grey color doesnt do it for me. The overly dark grey tone of the suit doesnt make him look intimidating as the color black. I loved the Begins suit because it was all black and it was fairly simple.

I actually like the fact that TDK suit is different from the Begins suit in that it looks more built for combat, and it looks like batman can maneuver far better.

 

[Nightwing1977]

There's only one problem. Batman doesn't smile!

Sure he did. Keaton & Kilmer prove it.

I think that it looks intimidating as hell. Imagine being a thug at night time then have Batman swoop down on you in that suit? I'm just glad that he can turn his head finally, lol.

I don't like to nitpick over things like if the suit is too bulky, permawhite, etc. It ruins my movie experience and enjoyment for the film. I always go into a film with an open mind, especially an adaptation from any of my favorite comics.

Same here. Even if I don't like small details & such, I just watch the movie & hope it turn out good. If it is good, I just ignore the little nitpicking on certain part of the suit.

You have no taste.

Truth? Nice to disrespect someone's opinion on liking the suit. I guess some purists love to shove their extreme belief down other people's throat like you did with saying people have no taste for liking something you don't.

But hey, you have no taste either for hating the suit & that is the truth.

 

[Saint]

I still prefer the actual DK suit over the manip. I think the manip looks ok but the grey color doesnt do it for me. The overly dark grey tone of the suit doesnt make him look intimidating as the color black.

Then you musn't like the TDK suit, since it's not black.

 

[deathfromabove]

I'm looking for an explanation.


No you haven't: you've told me what your opinion is. Telling me what it is and explaining it are two different things. Again, what I'm asking is for you to explain how it looks "silly."


Again: by what criteria?


Of course there does. I can't imagine holding an opinion without reason. Such an opinion would be worthless, and not worth holding. It doesn't make sense to believe something you can't explain. Likewise, it doesn't make sense to argue your opinion without explaining it.


Nonsense, it doesn't look spandex at all. It doesn't look like any material in particular, but it certainly looks like one with weight and shape to it--of which spandex has neither. It looks like a sculpted garment, maybe with some other material over top. It could just as easily be the exact same neoprene and foam rubber used in the Begins suit--and it comparably designed, to boot.


Explain how it looks useless and implausible. It looks exactly like the Begins suit, except with the armour disguised.


Okay, I'll buy this.


I don't want to get into a debate about other costumes, but I will say slickness and protectiveness could have been done faithfully. Uniformity I'll buy.

you dont want to?

christ you do realize not everyone enjoys "the sound of their own voice" as much as you?

and there is also such a thing as opinion. if you dont like his thats fine but he is under no obligation whatsoever to satisfy your deisre to have everything explained ad nasuem. why do you insist on trying to have arguments with the unwwilling?

seriously it makes you look like a ,well, a "nerd" actually.

you know i love you man. you are one of the few who actually can bring the heat on command. sowhy do you insiston wasting it? convos work so much better when its two sided.

 

[-Arya-]

Then you musn't like the TDK suit, since it's not black.

Well with the proper lighting the grey tone looks to be black. I just like the combat look of the new suit, thats all.

 

[JamalYIgle]

I'm looking for an explanation.

No,you're looking for a fight where there isn't one, and asking me to defend my opinion which I shouldn't have to.

No you haven't: you've told me what your opinion is. Telling me what it is and explaining it are two different things. Again, what I'm asking is for you to explain how it looks "silly."

I explained it twice, I'm not going into again.

Again: by what criteria?

By the criteria of personal taste, artistic asethic and experience working with film and television and of being a professional comic artist for the last 15 years. I stated my feeling. I didn't attack anyone else for liking the manip, i just think it looks silly.

Of course there does. I can't imagine holding an opinion without reason. Such an opinion would be worthless, and not worth holding. It doesn't make sense to believe something you can't explain. Likewise, it doesn't make sense to argue your opinion without explaining it.


Nonsense, it doesn't look spandex at all. It doesn't look like any material in particular, but it certainly looks like one with weight and shape to it--of which spandex has neither. It looks like a sculpted garment, maybe with some other material over top. It could just as easily be the exact same neoprene and foam rubber used in the Begins suit--and it comparably designed, to boot.


Explain how it looks useless and implausible. It looks exactly like the Begins suit, except with the armour disguised.


Okay, I'll buy this.


I don't want to get into a debate about other costumes, but I will say slickness and protectiveness could have been done faithfully. Uniformity I'll buy.

I don't like the way the cape drapes around the neck, I don't like the seams, and I don't like the choice of "material" It looks like a velvet jacket.It doesn't look like the begins suit and it doesn't look protective.

I don't like it. I'm sorry if it bothers you, i just don't.

 

[Superhobo]

Truth? Nice to disrespect someone's opinion on liking the suit.

It's what I do.

I guess some purists love to shove their extreme belief down other people's throat like you did with saying people have no taste for liking something you don't.

How's it an 'extreme belief?' Are you sure you don't mean 'extremist?' In which case are you sure you're not in need of a Thorazin drip?

But hey, you have no taste either for hating the suit & that is the truth.

Um...ouch? I guess?

 

[capt. slaughter]

new suit is nice, oh wait do i have to go into the detail of WHY i like it.

 

[Superhobo]

new suit is nice, oh wait do i have to go into the detail of WHY i like it.

Yes.

 

[Mr.?]

i liked the suit when i saw it last year, and i still do.

and no im not explaining why i like it

 

[capt. slaughter]

no no no not this again

 

[Saint]

No,you're looking for a fight

I am having a discussion on a discussion board, and asking you to explain your position within said. I don't understand the issue.

asking me to defend my opinion which I shouldn't have to.

If you want it to be convincing, then you do.

By the criteria of personal taste, artistic asethic and experience working with film and television and of being a professional comic artist for the last 15 years.

This isn't an explanation, it's an allusion to one. Similarly, if I say "I painted this red because it was an artistic choice," that doesn't explain my reasons--it just claims I have them.

I don't like the way the cape drapes around the neck, I don't like the seams, and I don't like the choice of "material" It looks like a velvet jacket.

Which is all fine--but does not explain describing it as "silly." For example, if I describe the TDK suit as silly and then say "because I don't like X, Y," that isn't really an explanation as to why it's silly--that's just me saying I don't like it. But if I said "It's silly because it's crowded with unnecessary detailing that doesn't aid the protective appearance of the suit--and in the case of the legs, completely undermines it, because the segmentation doesn't make sense armour or mobility-wise," that's an explanation.

It doesn't look like the begins suit and it doesn't look protective.

I really don't follow you on this. It has a virtually identical shape and apparent thickness to the Begins suit, except with the plating disguised. If the material is different, I would just assume it to be a new material covering the same armour the Begins suit was supposed to be, given their similarities.

I don't like it. I'm sorry if it bothers you, i just don't.

It doesn't bother me, I just want to know why.

 

[capt. slaughter]

Yes.

im either in the twilight zone or i just bought some bad stuff

 

[Bunker]

My first post in this thread.

I like the suit.

 

[chintai80]

i like the suit. though i think it is a bit too busy but i can live with it.

 

[deathfromabove]

last i checked, personal taste was a completly valid (and sometime tantamount) reason for having an opinion especially for anyone with an artistic bone in their body. heads up for any aspiring creative types out there.

 

[capt. slaughter]

the combat style to the new suit is great i have no problems with the colors cant wait to see how it works out on the big screen

 

[Saint]

last i checked, personal taste was a completly valid (and sometime tantamount) reason for having an opinion especially for anyone with an artistic bone in their body. heads up for any aspiring creative types out there.

Personal taste is an acceptable reason for likes or dislikes, certainly. If Igle had said "I don't like it,' I would not have said anything. But he said "It looks silly," which is a value judgement that requires real criteria.

Similarly, if I said "I don't like Hockey," that's all there is to it. But if I say "Hockey is silly," then I should be expected to explain why. There is considerable difference between the two statements.

 

[The Schlone]

Saint, even though you're completely right, you're borderline prosecutor at this point. Just let it go.

Unrelated... I still maintain that, at least in person, this suit made a lot of sense. Without looking at the cowl, it came across as a believable, practical suit in spite of its "busy" design.