First Avenger Cap's Power Level

[roach]

agreed

 

[Slipeor]

Cap needs to have super powers, like Ultimate Cap or even more.

First off, if Cap is going to be as strong as a powerlifter (for the "press 800 lbs" or 1075 lbs or whatever), he would need to be built like one. You can't be 6'2" and 220 lbs (or whatever his stats are) and bench 1000 lbs. You need to weight 300 lbs if you want to have enough muscle to do that. And at that weight, good luck having any endurance.

However Cap was first written needs to be thrown out. He should be superhuman. A human a the pinnacle of perfection would still get tired after fighting 20 guys for 5 minutes. Go watch a UFC fight and see how even the best conditioned guys are winded if they go all out for a round agianst ONE guy. They have to pace themselves or they gas. I can buy the fittest guy in the world going all out for 5 minutes against one guy, but not a whole pack of bad guys.

Sure we suspend disbelief in comics all the time. So let's just suspend it more and make him super-strong. The bottom line is that Spider-Man (lift 10 tons) shouldn't really be stronger than Cap.

 

[Anubis]

He shouldn't?

 

[jab1118]

Cap needs to have super powers, like Ultimate Cap or even more.

First off, if Cap is going to be as strong as a powerlifter (for the "press 800 lbs" or 1075 lbs or whatever), he would need to be built like one. You can't be 6'2" and 220 lbs (or whatever his stats are) and bench 1000 lbs. You need to weight 300 lbs if you want to have enough muscle to do that. And at that weight, good luck having any endurance.

However Cap was first written needs to be thrown out. He should be superhuman. A human a the pinnacle of perfection would still get tired after fighting 20 guys for 5 minutes. Go watch a UFC fight and see how even the best conditioned guys are winded if they go all out for a round agianst ONE guy. They have to pace themselves or they gas. I can buy the fittest guy in the world going all out for 5 minutes against one guy, but not a whole pack of bad guys.
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I agree i always thought that Cap was portrayed much more pwoerful than his powers were explained. The things he does are already better than human potential anyway so why not just go the extra mile and go ultimate power level. Or maybe even somewhere in between. Its not realy important to label how powerful he is anyway, just have a scientist say this will increase all of your abilities in every way to a superhuman level. Then just go from there

 

[roach]

Cap needs to have super powers, like Ultimate Cap or even more.

First off, if Cap is going to be as strong as a powerlifter (for the "press 800 lbs" or 1075 lbs or whatever), he would need to be built like one. You can't be 6'2" and 220 lbs (or whatever his stats are) and bench 1000 lbs. You need to weight 300 lbs if you want to have enough muscle to do that. And at that weight, good luck having any endurance.

However Cap was first written needs to be thrown out. He should be superhuman. A human a the pinnacle of perfection would still get tired after fighting 20 guys for 5 minutes. Go watch a UFC fight and see how even the best conditioned guys are winded if they go all out for a round agianst ONE guy. They have to pace themselves or they gas. I can buy the fittest guy in the world going all out for 5 minutes against one guy, but not a whole pack of bad guys.

Sure we suspend disbelief in comics all the time. So let's just suspend it more and make him super-strong. The bottom line is that Spider-Man (lift 10 tons) shouldn't really be stronger than Cap.

UFC fighters arent the pinnacle of human perfection. Part of the SSS is the ability for Cap to have near limitless stamina

 

[Rage]

I think that Cap should appear to have Superhuman strength and stamina ect... but infact, he is just the perfect human. Without the limiting effects of lactic acid and fatigue, he would seem superhuman.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Cap needs to have super powers, like Ultimate Cap or even more.

First off, if Cap is going to be as strong as a powerlifter (for the "press 800 lbs" or 1075 lbs or whatever), he would need to be built like one. You can't be 6'2" and 220 lbs (or whatever his stats are) and bench 1000 lbs. You need to weight 300 lbs if you want to have enough muscle to do that. And at that weight, good luck having any endurance.

However Cap was first written needs to be thrown out. He should be superhuman. A human a the pinnacle of perfection would still get tired after fighting 20 guys for 5 minutes. Go watch a UFC fight and see how even the best conditioned guys are winded if they go all out for a round agianst ONE guy. They have to pace themselves or they gas. I can buy the fittest guy in the world going all out for 5 minutes against one guy, but not a whole pack of bad guys.

Sure we suspend disbelief in comics all the time. So let's just suspend it more and make him super-strong. The bottom line is that Spider-Man (lift 10 tons) shouldn't really be stronger than Cap.

Well, part of the psudeo-science of Cap, and in comics in general, is that he is still peak human while retaining a somewhat normal build. I imagine Cap similar to the build of Lebron James without being 6'8.

And you're missing the point about the whole "peak-human" thing. Cap is the peak human in All Areas of Athletics So that means not only can he lift an amazing amount, he's also incredibly fast, has amazing quickness, agility, and stamina.

Also, Cap doesn't get tired, because part of the S.Soldier serum is eliminating or severely limiting the lactic acid buildup in his body. So he could go all out against and entire pack of bad guys without getting tired.

 

[Timstuff]

Something to consider is that we don't know what the potential "peak" of human performance is in any particular field. Should it be assumed that a person can't be faster than Usain Bolt, or that 1000 pounds is the most a man can bench press? The fact that we honestly don't know, coupled with the fact that Captain America is a sci-fi / fantasy story give rise to the possibility of him having abilities that we normal folks would likely consider to be "super human." Suppose that the peak of human performance, in terms of all manner of bodily strength means he could toss a car if necessary?

If he truly is at the peak of human conditioning, then it's not far fetched that he can exceed the records held by the world's greatest athletes. First of all, seeing how far athletics have come in the last century it seems foolish to assume that the records currently held are the true peak of human conditioning. Secondly, Captain America is at the peak of ALL forms of muscle strength, not just a few like most athletes are, and since they all work together it means even more strength to each, as mentioned in a previous post. And lastly, he is at the peak of human endurance. Usain Bolt may be a ridiculously fast sprinter, but how would he hold up running that speed for an hour? Captain America should be able to do it, and still have plenty of strength leftover to kicks some bad guy ass.

 

[Infinity9999x]

Something to consider is that we don't know what the potential "peak" of human performance is in any particular field. Should it be assumed that a person can't be faster than Usain Bolt, or that 1000 pounds is the most a man can bench press? The fact that we honestly don't know, coupled with the fact that Captain America is a sci-fi / fantasy story give rise to the possibility of him having abilities that we normal folks would likely consider to be "super human." Suppose that the peak of human performance, in terms of all manner of bodily strength means he could toss a car if necessary?

If he truly is at the peak of human conditioning, then it's not far fetched that he can exceed the records held by the world's greatest athletes. First of all, seeing how far athletics have come in the last century it seems foolish to assume that the records currently held are the true peak of human conditioning. Secondly, Captain America is at the peak of ALL forms of muscle strength, not just a few like most athletes are, and since they all work together it means even more strength to each, as mentioned in a previous post. And lastly, he is at the peak of human endurance. Usain Bolt may be a ridiculously fast sprinter, but how would he hold up running that speed for an hour? Captain America should be able to do it, and still have plenty of strength leftover to kicks some bad guy ass.

Exactly. I used to think, as many still do, that Cap was just the most athletic a person could be, but when you take into account that he's at the very pinnacle a person could be athletically in all areas of athletics, and that being at that level for every ability will thus strengthen the other abilities, he really is "super-human," because it's impossible for the strongest man in the world to also be the fastest. He'll simply have too much muscle mass on his body to move that quick, but Cap can.

And you also raise another very interesting point. Cap's stats are listed at being able to lift around 800lbs, because at the time, that was what was thought to be the maximum a human body could lift. however, now that we have people who are squatting 1000 to 1300lbs, it's obviously possible to go higher. We still don't know what the "peak" is in each individual area of athletics.

 

[3dman27]

try describing caps powersas 100%capacity will that work

 

[Anubis]

How about he just be as strong as he needs to be to accomplish whatever task it is they come up with and we call it a day?

 

[Infinity9999x]

How about he just be as strong as he needs to be to accomplish whatever task it is they come up with and we call it a day?

Well, obviously, yes. Any fictional character is going to have sufficient abilities to overcome the obstacles in his way. That's the nature of storytelling.

However, if we didn't like discussing topics that are essentially meaningless these boards wouldn't exist would they

 

[Timstuff]

After watching Nostalgia Critic's review of the 90's Cap movie, I can't say I'd be against them making the movie version of Cap more "super." I mean, in that movie he was downright incompetent, and there was scarcely anything super about him.

 

[SpiderByte]

Just to get it out of the way early:

IT'S OVER NINE THOUSAAAAAAAAAAND!

Curse you and your foresight!

 

[Rage]

I think you need to assume that the peak human performance (in any given discipline) has yet to be reached... so its safe to say that Cap will be both faster than Bolt and a better swimmer than Phelps and stronger than the current world record holder. HE IS THE PERFECT HUMAN....

and for the record... it is called the "Super" soldier serium for a reason. He should be a faster healer, slower aging, stronger, faster, able to hold his breath longer ect... than any one "normal" person in the world (whether they are the top at their discipline in the world or not)

 

[roach]

add to the fact that Cap has a rigorous workout regiment that would explain him being faster and stronger than he originally was while in non superhuman levels

 

[Rage]

I think that the potential locked inside the human body is SUPERHUMAN. Look at old ladies that lift cars to save loved ones...everyone's heard about the huge adrenaline boost s the body can produce in times of stress.

So is it really that crazy to think that the "perfect human" would also be able to tap into some AMAZING levels of power when his adrenaline kicks in?

 

[Infinity9999x]

I think that the potential locked inside the human body is SUPERHUMAN. Look at old ladies that lift cars to save loved ones...everyone's heard about the huge adrenaline boost s the body can produce in times of stress.

So is it really that crazy to think that the "perfect human" would also be able to tap into some AMAZING levels of power when his adrenaline kicks in?

Exactly. I wouldn't be surprised if Cap reached levels of a low level superhuman with his adrenaline going strong. I mean, heck, if an old lady can lift a car, imagine what Cap could go in a stressful situation.

 

[Anubis]

Lift an old lady lifting a car.

 

[Drakon]

I totally imagined that.

Also, Nubs, you'll like this. I was playing MUA2 with my buddy, and we went back to the White Star hub, and he was looking for the special conversations, so I told him to take Captain America, and go talk to Anubis....er, I mean Hercules.

 

[Anubis]

Ha!

 

[Drakon]

I figured you'd appreciate that.

 

[Anubis]

I'm so awesome, I permeate into peoples psyche and molest their cerebellum with my awesomeness.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I'm not gunna lie man, every time I see a pic of Hercules I automatically think of your avvy too.

 

[Infinity9999x]

I'm not gunna lie man, every time I see a pic of Hercules I automatically think of your avvy too.