Infinity War Captain America|Steve Rogers - Chris Evans

[nypinta]

Judging what I've read about Evans, and his reluctance to even take the role of Cap, he's not one of those guys who jumps at every part. He seems like a guy who's comfortable limiting his exposure and only taking what truly interests him. Pratt, by contrast, is making a lot of money right now but he's also overexposed and as a result his appeal is wearing a little thin.

Evans is handsome, successful, talented and by all accounts well-liked. I think he'll be OK

Yeah, I don't think him deciding to do a movie like Gifted or do a play, instead of another potential blockbuster, was due to lack of other opportunities.

 

[parkerpete]

Yeah, I don't think him deciding to do a movie like Gifted or do a play, instead of another potential blockbuster, was due to lack of other opportunities.

Exactly. I very much doubt Evans will ever end up being a 'straight-to-video' guy. He's a marathoner, not a sprinter.

 

[KevTravels]

Yeah, I don't think him deciding to do a movie like Gifted or do a play, instead of another potential blockbuster, was due to lack of other opportunities.

He may be offered some big roles but when he stars in them, they often flop despite his huge box office as Cap.

Not arguing against him, but he's not the artsy actor like Gyllenhaal/Gosling nor the box office champ like say Pratt.

Taking a theater role is a good chance to get people to look him differently.

 

[Y0nder]

Exactly. I very much doubt Evans will ever end up being a 'straight-to-video' guy. He's a marathoner, not a sprinter.

On your left!

 

[parkerpete]

On your left!

 

[Aximili86]

Evans is actually pretty cool with all that, the roles/decisions he makes career-wise.

That being said I don't know he's going to go on to become some giant movie-star outside of the Marvel stuff, but that's kind of cool in and of itself. It's actually be pretty cool to get somone in a position like Chris just...well, not give up acting entirely, but if he's genuine on that "wanting to be a director" stuff and post-Marvel he throws himself close to 100% into that, it'd be something pretty different for someone like that in the prime of his career.

Guess Hemsworth's probably the same in the "probably never going to become Harrison Ford megastar" outside of the MCU stuff, difference being he sort of seems like he does want to be. Evans doesn't give that impression at all, he's just happy doing his own thing - if that's a giant successful movie then great, but he's just as happy doing little cheap indie stuff too.

 

[TalismanRing]

He may be offered some big roles but when he stars in them, they often flop despite his huge box office as Cap.

Not arguing against him, but he's not the artsy actor like Gyllenhaal/Gosling nor the box office champ like say Pratt.

Taking a theater role is a good chance to get people to look him differently.

Which big role or big budget film has Evans had or starred in that's flopped since he's been Cap?

Zero.

Which is more than one can say for Hemsworth, Tatum or even Pratt who've had films that have cost studios tens of millions in the last few years.

Evans hasn't made one because it's not what he's looking to make in between blockbusters for Marvel (SEVEN in 8 years not including cameos)

The biggest budget was Snowpiercer which was made for under $40m and made about $90m WW B.O. despite being screwed over by Weinstein as an English market distributor because of his fight for control with the director. It was a critical success and financially successful enough even on VOD in the US that they're making a TV series.

Even pre-Cap the only films he starred in with budgets bigger than $40m were the FF4 movies which didn't flop and Scott Pilgrim which he had a 5 minute cameo in. He was a critical highlight in all of them.

His latest film was Gifted, an independent that cost $7m, little to market as it mostly leaned on Evans promoting it, and made $42m WW at the B.O. A nice success.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

While I've loved Steve in all time periods, MCU included, I do blame Whedon for a lot of what you're saying, here. The man seemed bound and determined to write Millar's version of Cap, which is never a good idea for anybody.

Whedon's Cap seemed like classic Cap, unfortunately written by someone who doesn't care for classic Cap, or perhaps any other.

There are similarities between MCU and Ultimate Cap, but I'm not sure it is a result of anyone making a conscious effort to emulate Millar's "work".

 

[harlequinade]

I watched Gifted last night and it was so lovely

 

[Tacit Ronin]

How is Whedon Cap anything like Millar Cap?

 

[ohiostate124]

Which big role or big budget film has Evans had or starred in that's flopped since he's been Cap?

Zero.

Which is more than one can say for Hemsworth, Tatum or even Pratt who've had films that have cost studios tens of millions in the last few years.

Evans hasn't made one because it's not what he's looking to make in between blockbusters for Marvel (SEVEN in 8 years not including cameos)

The biggest budget was Snowpiercer which was made for under $40m and made about $90m WW B.O. despite being screwed over by Weinstein as an English market distributor because of his fight for control with the director. It was a critical success and financially successful enough even on VOD in the US that they're making a TV series.

Even pre-Cap the only films he starred in with budgets bigger than $40m were the FF4 movies which didn't flop and Scott Pilgrim which he had a 5 minute cameo in. He was a critical highlight in all of them.

His latest film was Gifted, an independent that cost $7m, little to market as it mostly leaned on Evans promoting it, and made $42m WW at the B.O. A nice success.

Flop might be the wrong word but he is not that big of a draw outside of Cap. That goes for most of them though and that’s just the way the movie business is these days. There are very few actors than can sell a movie by themselves.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

How is Whedon Cap anything like Millar Cap?

Whedon's Cap isn't, though it has its own issues.

TWS/CW Cap... it is, a little bit. His newfound stark brutality, the implication of being a combat junkie, lack of interest in anything outside combat... I'm not saying those come directly from Ultimates, but it is similar.

 

[KevTravels]

Which big role or big budget film has Evans had or starred in that's flopped since he's been Cap?

Zero.

Which is more than one can say for Hemsworth, Tatum or even Pratt who've had films that have cost studios tens of millions in the last few years.

Evans hasn't made one because it's not what he's looking to make in between blockbusters for Marvel (SEVEN in 8 years not including cameos)

The biggest budget was Snowpiercer which was made for under $40m and made about $90m WW B.O. despite being screwed over by Weinstein as an English market distributor because of his fight for control with the director. It was a critical success and financially successful enough even on VOD in the US that they're making a TV series.

Even pre-Cap the only films he starred in with budgets bigger than $40m were the FF4 movies which didn't flop and Scott Pilgrim which he had a 5 minute cameo in. He was a critical highlight in all of them.

His latest film was Gifted, an independent that cost $7m, little to market as it mostly leaned on Evans promoting it, and made $42m WW at the B.O. A nice success.

Before We Go, Playing It Cool, Snowpiercer may have broken even, but it was not a financial success. I do agree that it's out of his hands though. And it was a fantastic film. I was not aware Gifted was a success. I thought it was VOD honestly.

Is it the case of Evans not wanting those roles or just not getting them? Hemsworth has played in like 10 films since he debuted as Thor and all of them were flops (outside of the MCU). Yet he continues to get them.

Pratt was lucky to get Jurassic World which is a guaranteed moneymaker regardless of the star. Passengers was a disappointment, but may have broken even. The Magnificent 7 was another disappointment.

 

[Spider-Fan]

Before We Go, Playing It Cool, Snowpiercer may have broken even, but it was not a financial success. I do agree that it's out of his hands though. And it was a fantastic film. I was not aware Gifted was a success. I thought it was VOD honestly.

Is it the case of Evans not wanting those roles or just not getting them? Hemsworth has played in like 10 films since he debuted as Thor and all of them were flops (outside of the MCU). Yet he continues to get them.

Pratt was lucky to get Jurassic World which is a guaranteed moneymaker regardless of the star. Passengers was a disappointment, but may have broken even. The Magnificent 7 was another disappointment.

Evans doesn't chase high profile roles. He is very open about wanting to be in good movies, particularly cause he was in a number of bad ones early in his career. He isn't really a chase the star type guy.

 

[ohiostate124]

Evans doesn't chase high profile roles. He is very open about wanting to be in good movies, particularly cause he was in a number of bad ones early in his career. He isn't really a chase the star type guy.

It’s ironic then that the best movies he’s ever been in are these massive blockbuster superhero films.

 

[Tacit Ronin]

Whedon's Cap isn't, though it has its own issues.

TWS/CW Cap... it is, a little bit. His newfound stark brutality, the implication of being a combat junkie, lack of interest in anything outside combat... I'm not saying those come directly from Ultimates, but it is similar.

Millar Cap is a jingoistic bully. That's the opposite of MCU cap. Who was never a flag waver (if you ignore the outfit) and hates bullies. I don't much see him peddling insults about the French either.

 

[KevTravels]

Evans doesn't chase high profile roles. He is very open about wanting to be in good movies, particularly cause he was in a number of bad ones early in his career. He isn't really a chase the star type guy.

Maybe that's indeed the case. Atoning for his early film mishaps. I was quite surprised he was in Snowpiercer. Good move there.

Though those good films tend to go to the Gyllenhaal's/Goslings.

Evan will be fine IMO. Personally, I feel actors should try to branch out. If you're doing a franchise film (or trilogy), reinforce that with some indie films. One gets you paid, the other gets you critical respect.

 

[Delwin]

I just watched recently the FF4 and I agree that Evans is solid actor. He plays two totally different characters in superhero movies and he is convincing in both. I find him much better than e.g. Hemsworth and Pratt.

 

[KevTravels]

I just watched recently the FF4 and I agree that Evans is solid actor. He plays two totally different characters in superhero movies and he is convincing in both. I find him much better than e.g. Hemsworth and Pratt.

I'm still kinda in awe that Hemsworth has so many films. Does he sign on to every role he's offered? Cause they all flop and yet he's continually offered them.

 

[KevTravels]

Judging what I've read about Evans, and his reluctance to even take the role of Cap, he's not one of those guys who jumps at every part. He seems like a guy who's comfortable limiting his exposure and only taking what truly interests him. Pratt, by contrast, is making a lot of money right now but he's also overexposed and as a result his appeal is wearing a little thin.

Evans is handsome, successful, talented and by all accounts well-liked. I think he'll be OK

I agree with you. Pratt seems to be gunning to be Harrison Ford 2.0 but somehow falls a tad flat. Good actor and he has range, but yeah he's everywhere and eventually that can blowback on someone. Ala Jude Law

 

[Aximili86]

TWS/CW Cap... it is, a little bit. His newfound stark brutality

Brutality? Err. The fights are a good deal more visceral & intense in TWS stylistically, but that's a tone choice - Steve himself hadn't changed. He's sure not doing any more than he has to.

Like...TWS, he nails a dude through the hand with a knife and throws a guy off a cargo ship into the water. In Johnston's movie, he sticks a dude in the back with a knife and throws a guy out of an in-flight bomber.

Not really seeing how his psyche's any more hard-line in the Russo movies. Hell, the guy has no qualms about unloading on bad guys with a gun in the Joe/Joss flicks, if anything Steve seems a good deal more non-lethally-inclined in Joe & Anthony's stuff.

 

[BullMcGiveny]

Millar Cap is a jingoistic bully. That's the opposite of MCU cap. Who was never a flag waver (if you ignore the outfit) and hates bullies. I don't much see him peddling insults about the French either.

A jingoist, sure. An a-hole, definitely, just like everybody else.

I don't really recall an example of him being a bully.

Brutality? Err. The fights are a good deal more visceral & intense in TWS stylistically, but that's a tone choice - Steve himself hadn't changed. He's sure not doing any more than he has to.

Like...TWS, he nails a dude through the hand with a knife and throws a guy off a cargo ship into the water. In Johnston's movie, he sticks a dude in the back with a knife and throws a guy out of an in-flight bomber.

Not really seeing how his psyche's any more hard-line in the Russo movies. Hell, the guy has no qualms about unloading on bad guys with a gun in the Joe/Joss flicks, if anything Steve seems a good deal more non-lethally-inclined in Joe & Anthony's stuff.

Lethal isn't the same as brutal.

I don't particularly have a problem if Cap kills, whether it was enemy combatants or hostage-takers. TFA Cap did those things you describe at the end, when the stakes are highest. We also didn't get a closeup of the knife sticking out the guy's back.

The ship scene in TWS comes early in the film, and seemed constructed to go beyond 'this is what Cap can do' to 'Cap will mess you up'

 

[nypinta]

I think cuz Cap still has some anger issues about not being dead and everyone else he knew is.

 

[KevTravels]

so what's the future of Falcon and Bucky once Cap bites it?

are Mackie and Stan signed on for more films?

 

[parkerpete]

A jingoist, sure. An a-hole, definitely, just like everybody else.

I don't really recall an example of him being a bully.



Lethal isn't the same as brutal.

I don't particularly have a problem if Cap kills, whether it was enemy combatants or hostage-takers. TFA Cap did those things you describe at the end, when the stakes are highest. We also didn't get a closeup of the knife sticking out the guy's back.

The ship scene in TWS comes early in the film, and seemed constructed to go beyond 'this is what Cap can do' to 'Cap will mess you up'

Yeah, but that doesn't make him more 'brutal'.
bru·tal·i·ty
noun
savage physical violence; great cruelty.

Cap is certainly occasionally lethal, and obviously uses violence. But there is absolutely nothing savage or cruel about him. He neither enjoys inflicting pain, nor becomes irrationally violent when fighting or dealing with someone who's already been restrained or neutralized. He never seems to lose control or do anything out of personal anger. The only time you could argue he's ever acted out of rage is when he punches Zola's computer monitor. Was that violent? Sure. But savage? Cruel? Eh, I'll wait until every one of my loved ones dies and a nazi speak-and-spell tells me I've wasted my life before I cast the first stone.

Every case of him using fatal violence is in self-defense and he never uses it when there are clearly nonlethal ways to achieve the same outcome. You're misusing a word that you think means something else.

If you want a textbook definition of 'brutality', you need look no further than the nearest Batfleck, branding criminals who have already been stopped, caught, and restrained. It is cruel and excessive, since he doesn't need to do it to stop a criminal act or protect himself. It's purely egregious. This isn't a criticism of DC movies (although I don't care for them myself)--just an example of actual brutality by a character who is comparable to Cap in other respects.

You could say that Cap's action scenes in WS are more 'concussive', 'bruising', 'intense', or 'visceral', but when you say he exhibits newfound 'brutality', that just isn't an accurate use of that word.