Captain Marvel Captain Marvel Spoilers Thread

[flickchick85]

I've read multiple leaks - a couple of them claim Carol shielded herself from the The Snap by sending herself back in time, which gave her amnesia (her powers tied to the quantum realm allowed her to do this), and so the "flashbacks" of her growing up, getting her powers, etc. are actually in the "future" of this movie. I don't believe that one because, Maria. Nothing we know about Maria makes sense on that proposed timeline.

The other, much more plausible-sounding one doesn't include time-travel at all, but claims

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Mar-Vell is Carol's mother (Annette Bening) and used to be working with Yon-Rogg to overthrow Supreme Intelligence (which takes different forms depending on who it's interacting with, hence why it looks like Annette Bening when talking to Carol), but they had a falling out and Mar-Vell parted ways with the Kree. Yon-Rogg ended up kidnapping Carol after she got caught in the middle of a Kree/Skrull scuffle over the Tesseract (Carol was test-flying a Tessarect-powered ship), gets her powers from an explosion involving the Tesseract and a Kree device, and Mar-Vell's been searching for her ever since. Yon-Rogg & Co. wipe her memories and implant a power inhibitor in Carol's head that they claim is a power battery, and they have her thinking that's the source of her powers when it's really not. Basically, while on a Star Force mission at a Skrull outpost, the Skrulls capture Carol and mind-probe her, looking for the Tesseract, which unlocks some of her memories of Earth, she escapes after learning the Skrulls have infiltrated Earth and both parties make a mad dash for Earth. Carol crashes into Blockbuster, encounters Nick Fury who thinks she's just some crazy woman who trashed a Blockbuster Video. She gets away from the authorities, chases a Skrull target to the train, again encounters Fury and Coulson, and she gives them the rundown on the Skrull invasion. They take her to their boss only to learn he is also a Skrull, and SHIELD has been infiltrated. At some point they go to the place where SHIELD houses their known intel on extra-terrestrials on Earth, which is where they find Goose (and info about Carol's previous life, Tesseract work, and "death" after an alien encounter). Once they've decided they can't trust their SHIELD superiors, they go to hide out at Carol's old BFF Maria's until Star Force arrives, so Carol and Maria have an emotional reunion and Carol bonds with Monica a bit, and it's there that Mar-Vell finds them and tells her the truth about Yon-Rogg, etc. One version of this leak stated Mar-Vell gives her the new suit, another stated that the Star Force suits could always change, and I think it's probably some sort of combination of the two. Long story short, she ditches the power inhibitor in her head, embraces her new costume/old self, and takes the war to the Kree (who are already battling the Skrulls above), while Fury and Maria sneak aboard a Skrull ship to get the Tesseract back, as they had found it on Earth. It's during this scuffle that Talon, the guy Fury believed to be his trusted boss until yesterday, takes out his eye. Skrull forces above Earth are defeated (though it's clear there are still some on the ground) Carol defeats Ronan's forces and Yon-Rogg agrees to leave. Carol finds her new power levels unwieldy and dangerous and agrees with Fury to leave Earth and hopefully get a better handle on them.

Another version of this leak states that THIS Yon-Rogg is a Skrull, and the real Yon-Rogg was lured to a trap on Earth and replaced several years ago, which is why he and Mar-Vell had a falling out? IDK. Another one leaked from Douban (so some details might be lost in translation) follows almost this exact plot but says Mar-Vell was just a legendary Kree warrior from the past and that's why Carol takes the name. Who knows.

And yes, I'm tagging even though it's not necessary in here, because if true that's practically the whole damn plot, lol.

 

[kvz5]

The non-time travel one do sound more likely although at this point, I feel like I'm so convinced that there will be time travel that I'd be disappointed if there isn't one.

 

[Ninjablade]

The time travel one sounds really stupid. I can't imagine they would do something like that. Don't know how I feel about the whole Tesseract subplot. I feel that opens up a lot of potential continuity issues and questions. The rest sounds decent enough, assuming it's true. Really hope they're not setting up the Secret Invasion plot line, or at least one that effects any of the main heroes. Maybe ones that they're considering killing in Endgame.

 

[flickchick85]

I forgot to mention, the non-time-travel leak ALSO claims Carol's powers are tied to the quantum realm, as told to her by her mother/Mar-Vell, but not much is made of that fact beyond that. Possibly just there as a set up for future use in Endgame or something. But this could be where the little nugget of info's dropped that time-travel would be possible for her.

 

[jaqua99]

Wait, Mar-Vell is her MOTHER?

LOL Yeah, Endgame/end of the Thanos story is the last MCU movie I will pay to see

 

[flickchick85]

The time travel one sounds really stupid. I can't imagine they would do something like that. Don't know how I feel about the whole Tesseract subplot. I feel that opens up a lot of potential continuity issues and questions.

Actually, if it's true, I think it might manage to fix/answer some continuity questions regarding the Tesseract - namely, if the government has had it since the 1940's, why did they seemingly only start doing anything with it in the 2000's? It makes more sense that they'd been working with it, trying to crack it for decades, imo. That collection of Tesseract-based weapons Fury had hiding on the helicarrier in Avengers didn't appear out of nowhere, afterall.

 

[samsnee]

Time travel as the answer to solve a problem is one of my biggest pet peeves. It’s just lazy writing.

 

[Ninjablade]

Actually, if it's true, I think it might manage to fix/answer some continuity questions regarding the Tesseract - namely, if the government has had it since the 1940's, why did they seemingly only start doing anything with it in the 2000's? It makes more sense that they'd been working with it, trying to crack it for decades, imo. That collection of Tesseract-based weapons Fury had hiding on the helicarrier in Avengers didn't appear out of nowhere, afterall.

I don't know, I find the whole Tesseract situation already to be kind of a mess, not sure if this could help it, I find it hard to believe after raiding Red Skull's lair that they didn't find any form of data on how any of the weapons were made. And even if that did happen, Hydra had been basically in charge of SHIELD since the forties with Zola at the helm "helping them" (SHIELD really lets all the bad guys infiltrate them at the highest level lol). So being lenient, I guess we could assume that Zola/Hydra was hindering any kind of progress on Tesseract based weaponry or even technological hindrances, but that seems silly. My issue with them developing a working plane powered by it in the 90's, would be that I feel they should've been making far more progress with it in the 20ish years they've had it after this film.

But I this issue really tracks back to Avengers and The First Avenger, so I guess it would only make sense that the Tesseract appears here as well. Would've much preferred one of the end credit sequences be them finding the Tesseract around the same time they found Steve.

 

[flickchick85]

I don't know, I find the whole Tesseract situation already to be kind of a mess, not sure if this could help it, I find it hard to believe after raiding Red Skull's lair that they didn't find any form of data on how any of the weapons were made. And even if that did happen, Hydra had been basically in charge of SHIELD since the forties with Zola at the helm "helping them" (SHIELD really lets all the bad guys infiltrate them at the highest level lol). So being lenient, I guess we could assume that Zola/Hydra was hindering any kind of progress on Tesseract based weaponry or even technological hindrances, but that seems silly. My issue with them developing a working plane powered by it in the 90's, would be that I feel they should've been making far more progress with it in the 20ish years they've had it after this film.

Maybe that's how they made the quinjets, lol.

 

[Quicksilver007]

Someone tell me the middle/post-credits scenes, please

 

[flickchick85]

Someone tell me the middle/post-credits scenes, please

The middle one's reportedly the big one:

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Cap, Widow and one or two other remaining Avengers have found Fury's pager and are examining it. They know it's sending out a signal but can't tell where to. Then it just quits all of a sudden, and they're taken aback. They realize someone's standing behind them, startled, and it's Carol, looking like she's been through hell. She just says "Where's Fury?"

The last one's supposedly just a Goose gag.

 

[Quicksilver007]

@flickchick85 thank you

 

[flickchick85]

No problem!

 

[Aximili86]

I don't really find the Tesseract thing much of a problem, pretty easily explained away. Like Zola's just that much of a genius that the regular garden-variety-science-geniuses over here didn't catch up to him until the late 80s or whatever, around the time stealth planes etc were hitting the scene, big computer leaps. Zola was dead by then, maybe he just kept the tesseract-related stuff close to the chest during his days in S.H.I.E.L.D., was saving that stuff for once they'd supposedly-inevitably taken over. Even though Hydra had a major presence in S.H.I.E.L.D., they weren't everyone, Zola would have had non-Hydra rivals who he wouldn't want to share that knowledge/experience with.

That's a cool tie-in though, the Tesseract thing, wasn't expecting that.

 

[harlequinade]

Didnt sam Jackson say theres time travel in the movie?

 

[flickchick85]

He said in an interview that she CAN time travel. No telling where he got that info from but we're assuming it's from a script because y'all know he ain't sitting around researching Carol Danvers (who doesn't generally include "time travel" in her power-set anyway, lol). So he could very well be referencing something from this script or something from Endgame, who knows.

 

[harlequinade]

I hope those leaks are fake because I was expecting a twist and the way it goes now the biggest twist is gonna be for my mom when I come home probably carrying a stray Cat after this lol

 

[flickchick85]

As a mom of two former stray cats I've picked up somewhere along the way, that sounds like a good twist to me!

Seriously though, I don't think there's a huge twist. Just the Mar-Vell/Yon-Rogg revelations, and lots of little MCU Easter Eggs. But ya never know, maybe these leaks are indeed false. We'll know soon enough!

 

[Aximili86]

She should fly around the earth really fast, Superman style. Time travel bing-bang-boom.

 

[samsnee]

The middle one's reportedly the big one:

Spoiler

Cap, Widow and one or two other remaining Avengers have found Fury's pager and are examining it. They know it's sending out a signal but can't tell where to. Then it just quits all of a sudden, and they're taken aback. They realize someone's standing behind them, startled, and it's Carol, looking like she's been through hell. She just says "Where's Fury?"

The last one's supposedly just a Goose gag.

Hopefully that first one isn't the first time we see her show up in Endgame. I was hoping her entrance would be a little more grandiose.

The Goose gag is probably right. It's what they usually do with the second one (see Howard the Duck, drum-playing ant)

I hope they give a good explanation as to why Fury didn't page Carol for the Battle of New York. I'm speculating he gets the idea to form the Avengers after seeing Carol's Kree team and realizes Earth needs its own line of defense against interstellar beings.

 

[Thanoss]

yes that plot is the real thing so it should remain under spoiler tag !!
Very nice polished movie...i love that some VFX are done right in the final movie
I wonder how Endgame and phase 4 will work it out after CM introduction....she is very close to DC Superman character, like kryptonite is for him his weakness, here...the weakness is not that strong..is more about emotions really

 

[Castor troy]

There's no time travel in this movie.

 

[harlequinade]

I'm straight up shocked her meeting them is here and not in End Game, this is very ballsy move because this is one of the BIG things anticipated in End Game and Marvel casually drops it here

 

[Webfoot Hero]

I'm straight up shocked her meeting them is here and not in End Game, this is very ballsy move because this is one of the BIG things anticipated in End Game and Marvel casually drops it here

I'm beginning to think it's actually a scene that's in Endgame but being used in CM as a mid-credit scene, similar to the Civil War scene of Bucky, Falcon, and CA in hiding being used as the mid-credit scene to tease Ant-Man's appearance in CW.

 

[samsnee]

The middle one's reportedly the big one:

Spoiler

Cap, Widow and one or two other remaining Avengers have found Fury's pager and are examining it. They know it's sending out a signal but can't tell where to. Then it just quits all of a sudden, and they're taken aback. They realize someone's standing behind them, startled, and it's Carol, looking like she's been through hell. She just says "Where's Fury?"

The last one's supposedly just a Goose gag.

Here's what I also don't get. Everyone was in Wakanda during the snap. Fury was in NYC. How they heck did they find the pager?

Also saw this on Reddit. Not sure how legit it is.

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Carol Danvers (Brie Larson) was a pilot ambushed by a Skrull spaceship and caught in the explosion of a stolen Kree device that gave her superpowers. Starforce commander Yon-Rogg (Jude Law) rescued her and took her to the Kree homeworld Hala, where she was brainwashed into believing she is a Kree warrior and recruited into Starforce.

During a mission, Starforce is ambushed by the Skrulls and all but Carol are killed. Carol is captured by the Skrulls, but she blows up their ship and escapes. She, a flerken (Goose), and four remaining skrulls crash on Earth. Talos and his group infiltrate SHIELD and plan to use Earth's resources and attempt to capture her. Carol meets Fury and Coulson after he mistakenly thought she was about to steal from him. That's when Carol detects an skrull spy with him, kills him then goes on the run. Fury returns to SHIELD with the body of the dead skrull, he has a bad feeling about his other colleagues so he decides to meet Carol and lead her to a secret SHIELD base where info about her is stored. Carol remembers her life on Earth and reunites with her best friend Maria Rambeau and her daughter Monica. The three learn the Tesseract is being kept on a secret space station, and go on to retrieve it, kidnapping a skrull who followed them and his ship.

The group manages to retrieve the cube but get ambushed by Talos and his soldiers. Carol sends Fury and Monica back to Earth, before Ronan arrives. He explains that the Kree and the Skrull empire have separately made a deal with a tyrant (Thanos) to give him the cube and other gems in exchange for help in their war, and argues that whoever has the cube will turn the direction of the conflict, revealing also that the skull spaceship that ambushed here years earlier was actually a Kree one. Carol breaks free and attacks both sides, until Yon Rogg appears.

Carol finds out Yon-Rogg is actually a Super Skrull. The real heroic Yon-Rogg was lured into a trap on Earth and assassinated so a Skrull spy could take his place. Carol was testing a Tesseract-powered spacecraft and stumbled upon the ambush. The Kree device merged her DNA to the Tesseract, which is why she’s so powerful. Skrull-Rogg then decided to shape her into a perfect soldier so the Skrulls could later brainwash her and use her as a weapon.

Angry, Carol dukes it out with Skrull!Rogg, but being a Super Skrull, he can easily copy her abilities. She remembers why she become an Air Force member and vaporizes Rogg. She leaves Fury in charge of protecting the Tesseract and Earth before forcing the Kree and the Skrulls into a peace treaty. Ronan refuses to accept this and goes rogue. Carol gives Fury a pager in case of emergencies and leaves to become a one-woman defense against intergalactic war.

P.S: Yong-Rogg is apparently part of the Mar-Vell's lineage, but i could be wrong.