Chadwick Boseman is Black Panther! - Part 5

[Silvermoth]

Comic sidekick. Cast Jay Baruchel or Alan Tudyk, or heck, Jonah Hill or Michael Cera as Everett Ross. Keep him nearby. Give them very fast banter, as mentioned with T'Challa as the straight man. Put T'Challa in a box, hang him upside down, put him on the hood of a car. Let his body language be expressive. If you give the character heart instead of trying to make him 100% badass, he can have fun without seeming in any way lesser.

Alternately, you can have fun with Hawkeye and Black Panther both taking turns as straight men like Cap and Tasha, or the guys from Pulp Fiction, where they each have an epic idosyncracy, and much of the comedy is how they are both deadpanned in the midst of comic situations.

...and cast Kevin Hart as W'Kabi.

Ross is an interesting character. He could easily become a jar jar binks type character if he isn't done right. He would definitely be the best comic relief type character though

 

[Silvermoth]

I hope black panther gets a video game tie in that's good as well. That would be awesome

 

[DrCosmic]

I stand by my comments on Hudlin. Making Doom racist was the jumping off the train for me. I tried supporting BP cause I love the character but I did not like his writing. No producer no anything on a film. I hope Marvel pulls it off and not think they need to have a black production team. I just haven't seen any black writer or director pull off a sci fi, adventure, action, or fantasy film. I can't think of one and those genres are what BP falls under. I could be wrong and maybe it's the studio brass that have hampered the talent of black directors and writers and only give them work on films with all black casts that are usually comedies or a pre civil rites film about black struggle and slavery. Sure their have been some films that wasn't considered black movies but I can't think of one that has pressed me greatly. Tchalla and Wakadians aren't Black Americans and they shouldn't be portrayed as such. They have a different culture and are an isolationist society. I can just see a black director and writer easily screwing this project up.

I think you just need more exposure to black people so you can learn they're not actually different from white people. You seem to be making conclusions about black people you know nothing about based on Hudlin, a single unique individual, upsetting you.

And while T'Challa is not an African American, he is Black, and is a response to African American culture, and so someone who can relate to that experience somewhere in the process is a plus. The same reason they'd want a woman involved in a female solo film, or someone who knows about comic books involved in a superhero movie.

When we look at mainstream action movies with black directors, like Inside Man, Oldboy, Four Brothers, Olympus Has Fallen, Training Day, Law Abiding Citizen, The Negotiator, The Italian Job we see some pretty awesome stuff. This is on top of films with black writers like Underworld or films with black producers like Django Unchained, to say nothing of 'black films' that fall firmly into Marvel's action-comedy tropes from Meteor Man to Ride Along. To say nothing of careers like Will Smith's, Denzel Washington's and Samuel L. Jackson's which have been filled with all of the above. So if none of those films impress you, then you may have to accept that you are a minority on this particular issue.

 

[Mike Murdock]

I'm still waiting for Nokio to explain what he meant by "ghetto lingo."

 

[Dr. Evil]

I think you just need more exposure to black people so you can learn they're not actually different from white people. You seem to be making conclusions about black people you know nothing about based on Hudlin, a single unique individual, upsetting you.

And while T'Challa is not an African American, he is Black, and is a response to African American culture, and so someone who can relate to that experience somewhere in the process is a plus. The same reason they'd want a woman involved in a female solo film, or someone who knows about comic books involved in a superhero movie.

When we look at mainstream action movies with black directors, like Inside Man, Oldboy, Four Brothers, Olympus Has Fallen, Training Day, Law Abiding Citizen, The Negotiator, The Italian Job we see some pretty awesome stuff. This is on top of films with black writers like Underworld or films with black producers like Django Unchained, to say nothing of 'black films' that fall firmly into Marvel's action-comedy tropes from Meteor Man to Ride Along. To say nothing of careers like Will Smith's, Denzel Washington's and Samuel L. Jackson's which have been filled with all of the above. So if none of those films impress you, then you may have to accept that you are a minority on this particular issue.

Yes. Spike Lee, John Singleton, Antoine Fuqua, F. Gary Gray, The Hughes Brothers and also comedic directors like Tyler Perry, Tim Story, Malcolm D. Lee, George Tillman and Kevin Sullivan (who I saw on TV the other day on the show Happy Days). Let's not forget Lee Daniels or Steve McQueen either, both of whom have directed Oscar nominated flicks and were nominated for Oscars (McQueen won as a producer for 12 Years a Slave). There's also a sudden emergence of Black female directors, with Amma Asante who directed (and contributed to the script) of the film Belle, which received critical buzz earlier this year (although it may have been way too early for Oscar Buzz) and Ava Duvernay who directs the upcoming Selma (produced by the same people who produced 12 Years a Slave and also produced by Oprah).

 

[RockSP]

I think you just need more exposure to black people so you can learn they're not actually different from white people. You seem to be making conclusions about black people you know nothing about based on Hudlin, a single unique individual, upsetting you.

Nokio is (or claims to be) black.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Nokio is (or claims to be) black.

Well, he was a member of the group Dru Hill.

 

[DrCosmic]

Nokio is (or claims to be) black.

Well, he wouldn't be the first black guy with a limited view of black people. I've got friends, cousins who are also black and very sure that 'black people are like X.' Because that's all they've been exposed to, that's what they've been taught to value. In reality, there are all types of black people, all types of white people. You can't even be sure that a black person will be darker than a white person. It's just not a relevant detail outside of artificial social structures. It has no bearing on ability of any sort.

 

[RockSP]

There's also a sudden emergence of Black female directors, with Amma Asante who directed (and contributed to the script) of the film Belle, which received critical buzz earlier this year (although it may have been way too early for Oscar Buzz) and Ava Duvernay who directs the upcoming Selma (produced by the same people who produced 12 Years a Slave and also produced by Oprah).

Eh, I wouldn't call it sudden. There have been plenty of black female directors. Julie Dash, Kasi Lemons (Eve's Bayou), Gina Bythewood (Love & Basketball) the lady who directed I Like It Like That & Cadillac Records (can't remember her name off top) are a few that come to mind.

Obviously mainstream Hollywood which is resistant to black directors and female directors isn't throwing cash at directors that are both.

 

[Dr. Evil]

Even if this film is announced for 2017, there's a chance that WB/DC will have beaten the "POC" led Superhero film by a year if The Rock is Shazam.

 

[OnTheAir]

Well, he was a member of the group Dru Hill.

 

[terry78]

The first director that actually understands the concept of BP is the one that should get the gig. There are s lot of ways to get it wrong as we have seen.

 

[Nokio]

I think you just need more exposure to black people so you can learn they're not actually different from white people. You seem to be making conclusions about black people you know nothing about based on Hudlin, a single unique individual, upsetting you.

And while T'Challa is not an African American, he is Black, and is a response to African American culture, and so someone who can relate to that experience somewhere in the process is a plus. The same reason they'd want a woman involved in a female solo film, or someone who knows about comic books involved in a superhero movie.

When we look at mainstream action movies with black directors, like Inside Man, Oldboy, Four Brothers, Olympus Has Fallen, Training Day, Law Abiding Citizen, The Negotiator, The Italian Job we see some pretty awesome stuff. This is on top of films with black writers like Underworld or films with black producers like Django Unchained, to say nothing of 'black films' that fall firmly into Marvel's action-comedy tropes from Meteor Man to Ride Along. To say nothing of careers like Will Smith's, Denzel Washington's and Samuel L. Jackson's which have been filled with all of the above. So if none of those films impress you, then you may have to accept that you are a minority on this particular issue.

Um ok, but I won't get into tic for tac on proving my blackness.

I was under the impression that African American culture is well American culture unless you feel somehow that blacks aren't American enough. While we have skin tone in common with Black Africans our Culture is American. Racism and other social ills aside black Americans have more in common culturally with white Americans then Black Africans.

While some of those films were decent a director like Spike Lee would just be to heavy handed with racial overtones. The man is talented and could have gone further in Hollywood had he done and strived for more mainstream films. I respect him and his opinions but he is to bitter racially and feel he has to shove his message in America's face. I've seen the man in interviews and have read to many of his opinions for this not to be the case. He can do his films that touch on racial and social ills but I think the man has forgotten that films are entertainment and not a vehicle to always deliver a message. I've seen enough of those type of movies. I don't want to see subtle messages in a BP film from Lee. I could accept him doing it but Marvel would have to reign him in and remind him that it's a comic book film meant for fun and entertainment and eye candy.

Do not mention that hack john singleton. He made one good film and is probably the last director I would want on a BP film. With him trying to cast Tyrese as BP. No thank you. Tyler Perry is garbage and while I respect what he's done and how he made his fortune and started his own studio the man is a mediocre director and his writing just isn't for me. None of the movies he's done has shown me that he can write and direct a credible BP film. Fuqua would be fine as long as he has a good script but I had forgotten about him honestly. He's done some good films. My fear is a black director Americanizing Tchalla and Wakanda to much. As someone pointed out Cheadle may not be bad. I think he gets it.

What does Will Smith and Jackson has to do with my comments? When did I ever come down on the talent of black actors??!!!! What ever.

 

[Nokio]

Well, he wouldn't be the first black guy with a limited view of black people. I've got friends, cousins who are also black and very sure that 'black people are like X.' Because that's all they've been exposed to, that's what they've been taught to value. In reality, there are all types of black people, all types of white people. You can't even be sure that a black person will be darker than a white person. It's just not a relevant detail outside of artificial social structures. It has no bearing on ability of any sort.

Haha, u know we so well. U have no idea how off u are.

 

[Tymminator]

I would have loved to have seen a young Micheal J Fox type as Ross.

 

[Nokio]

I'm still waiting for Nokio to explain what he meant by "ghetto lingo."

If you claim to have read Hudlin's run then you shouldn't need me to point it out. Now to be fair won't say that he ghettofied BP but it was there and honestly I don't see how you missed it. I just hated his take on BP and some things just was out of character. Christopher Priest's run was quite good. Wouldn't mind him being on board in some capacity for a movie.

 

[Nokio]

The first director that actually understands the concept of BP is the one that should get the gig. There are s lot of ways to get it wrong as we have seen.

Amen!! I'm sure Marvel will go in that direction. Their track record is good so far pairing directors with the material.

 

[Nokio]

Yes. Spike Lee, John Singleton, Antoine Fuqua, F. Gary Gray, The Hughes Brothers and also comedic directors like Tyler Perry, Tim Story, Malcolm D. Lee, George Tillman and Kevin Sullivan (who I saw on TV the other day on the show Happy Days). Let's not forget Lee Daniels or Steve McQueen either, both of whom have directed Oscar nominated flicks and were nominated for Oscars (McQueen won as a producer for 12 Years a Slave). There's also a sudden emergence of Black female directors, with Amma Asante who directed (and contributed to the script) of the film Belle, which received critical buzz earlier this year (although it may have been way too early for Oscar Buzz) and Ava Duvernay who directs the upcoming Selma (produced by the same people who produced 12 Years a Slave and also produced by Oprah).

Dear God please tell me you're just trying inform us of Black directors in Hollywood? Some of the names you've mentioned just sends chills down my spine. I wouldn't want several of them to even mop up on set of a BP film let alone directing it. Singleton, Perry? If you've seen their work then you should neither of them can direct a BP movie. Singleton is a hack and Perry and his shuck and jive man hating movies are awful. I've not seen any film by Perry that I can say is a good movie.

 

[Silvermoth]

Even if this film is announced for 2017, there's a chance that WB/DC will have beaten the "POC" led Superhero film by a year if The Rock is Shazam.

You can have more than one!

 

[mace1]

Yes. Spike Lee, John Singleton, Antoine Fuqua, F. Gary Gray, The Hughes Brothers and also comedic directors like Tyler Perry, Tim Story, Malcolm D. Lee, George Tillman and Kevin Sullivan (who I saw on TV the other day on the show Happy Days). Let's not forget Lee Daniels or Steve McQueen either, both of whom have directed Oscar nominated flicks and were nominated for Oscars (McQueen won as a producer for 12 Years a Slave). There's also a sudden emergence of Black female directors, with Amma Asante who directed (and contributed to the script) of the film Belle, which received critical buzz earlier this year (although it may have been way too early for Oscar Buzz) and Ava Duvernay who directs the upcoming Selma (produced by the same people who produced 12 Years a Slave and also produced by Oprah).

Directed by Antoine Fuqua

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Antoine_Fuqua

 

[Mike Murdock]

If you claim to have read Hudlin's run then you shouldn't need me to point it out. Now to be fair won't say that he ghettofied BP but it was there and honestly I don't see how you missed it. I just hated his take on BP and some things just was out of character. Christopher Priest's run was quite good. Wouldn't mind him being on board in some capacity for a movie.

I honestly don't even know what you mean by "ghettofied." I can't remember something if I don't know what I'm looking for.

 

[Nokio]

I honestly don't even know what you mean by "ghettofied." I can't remember something if I don't know what I'm looking for.

What that word means is completely ghetto, completely using urban slang and Ebonics. That is what I meant. Now if you carefully read the post I said that Hudlin did not completely do that but he did it.

 

[ThatDamnNinja]

I would have loved to have seen a young Michael J Fox type as Ross.

Yeah! Like, American President/Frighteners-era Michael J. Fox.

Now, though, it might be a good role for John Krasinski, if Marvel *finally* wants to throw him a bone.

 

[Nokio]

You can have more than one!

Yes you can, being first doesn't always mean the best. Whedon has been good on using minority characters in his projects but this is Disney and Marvel who are calling the shots. However I wouldn't be surprised if BP shows up in Avengers 2. It may be in a small capacity that may lead to further the storyline. Isn't Cap's shield supposed to get broken? Then theirs also Cap 2 that's out in 2016. Let's wait and see.

Also wasn't the Falcon in Cap TWS? He had a decent footprint in the movie. I would've liked to have seen more cause I thought Mackie did a good job and that the character was portrayed good. It was a start but Marvel can do better.

 

[chamber-music]

I remember Amma Asante as actress from stuff like Desmond's and Grange Hill.

Marvel is continuing with the Wakandan's being ass***** in the comics I saw in Daredevil 7 with Queen Shuri ordering the death of some innocent nuns who were trying to expose some illegal stuff Wakanda was involved in.