Chadwick Boseman is Black Panther! - Part 5

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Would it have to have a massive budget? If Marvel are moving to 3/4 films a year could they not try a smaller budget film that doesn't have to be a blockbuster? Blade did well enough on a smaller budget. Well enough to have a couple of sequels. This will have a lot of attention solely for the fact it is part of the Marvelverse so will be guaranteed viewers.
Do all the films have to be boxoffice smashes?

A BP movie with a small budget? Umm no they can keep that. What's the point of Wakanda being the most advanced nation on earth with all it tech wonder and the Vibranium aspect if it's not going to be used in the movie and BP is fleeing from some Man Ape dude in the US more then likely or some poor african country. I don't want to hear them talk about Wakanda and not show anything. BP is an important character, why does his solo movie has to be reduced to taking away his country and it's wonder and having him on the run. No he's an important character. Do a small budget Black Widow movie or hawk eye movie. Those are characters that don't require a blockbuster level budget. BP is a character that needs a huge budget based of the aspect of the character and his history. Now I'm not saying it needs to be 200 plus million but if Cap and Thor can get a 150 mil then so can a BP film be done with the same lever of action, fx and visual flare.

There are some characters where a small budget is fine for like BW, Blade, Hawkeye, Deadpool, Wolverine, or Daredevil. Not BP
 
He was accused of nepotism when he cast his daughter in the remake of Annie, which he is producing.

Some people say anything. I've not heard he cast his daughter. I saw the trailer with Foxx and Diaz and that little girl is not WILL SMITH'S DAUGHTER!
 
As with every Marvel movie, the producers of this film will be Kevin Feige, Victor Alonzo, Allan Fine, Jeremy Latcham and Louis D'Esposito.
 
She was set to play her years ago but I think she aged ouf of the role.

Years ago?? I heard that but it was always a rumor when Smith was announced to be producing the movie. People started saying he's gonna cast his daughter and blah, blah, blah. Then it went to she was cast. It was never ever confirmed.
 
A BP movie with a small budget? Umm no they can keep that.

Agreed.

Years ago?? I heard that but it was always a rumor when Smith was announced to be producing the movie. People started saying he's gonna cast his daughter and blah, blah, blah. Then it went to she was cast. It was never ever confirmed.

His daughter was supposed to be in it, but she supposedly lost interest in acting. As for the nepotism thing...that's very common in Hollywood. It's laughable that people want to pretend Will Smith is the first celebrity to ever do that.
 
Bringing it back to BP I was made aware that Marvel will no longer be doing origin stories. You will be getting heroes fully formed from now on. With that in mind I think Boyega is all wrong for the part now.
 
This is wild speculation based on a throwaway comment from Feige.
We don't know for sure they wont do more origin stories.
 
It's too soon to criticize Marvel for not make a POC led movie. Will DC come first? Probably, if the Rock is Shazam and that comes out in 2016. But they have not announced their full slate of films.

And isn't Vin Diesel a person of color? What if he becomes Black Bolt?

Yeah, this. And they're working on a script penned by a black filmmaker for the Inhumans. Though I really never saw anyone talking about that. Kind of reminds me when Perlman was given projects to write, and she surprised Marvel by picking GOTG instead of Ms. Marvel or other female character IP…

Now do I think Marvel's dragging their feet unnecessarily on BP? Yep. But do I also think BP will be coming in Phase 3? Yes, in some form.

While Marvel could be doing way better in their lead representation, they have done really, really well with casting and portraying their heroes and characters of color. Cheadle, Mackie, Saldana, Bautista, Diesel, Elba, Dawson, Hounsou, AAA… It's good. They can do better. But I'm not going to start throwing a fit especially when we don't know what the other movies are in Phase 3 and how they all fit in.
 
Yeah, this. And they're working on a script penned by a black filmmaker for the Inhumans. Though I really never saw anyone talking about that. Kind of reminds me when Perlman was given projects to write, and she surprised Marvel by picking GOTG instead of Ms. Marvel or other female character IP…

Now do I think Marvel's dragging their feet unnecessarily on BP? Yep. But do I also think BP will be coming in Phase 3? Yes, in some form.

While Marvel could be doing way better in their lead representation, they have done really, really well with casting and portraying their heroes and characters of color. Cheadle, Mackie, Saldana, Bautista, Diesel, Elba, Dawson, Hounsou, AAA… It's good. They can do better. But I'm not going to start throwing a fit especially when we don't know what the other movies are in Phase 3 and how they all fit in.

Hounsou was wasted in GOTG and we have no idea who Dawson is playing. We may not know until New York Comic-Con next month. For all we know it could be an original character, which would be a waste of Dawson's talents as playing a hero with the possibility she may show up in the movies could be the career boost she needs because after the disaster of Sin City 2, she needs it in the worst way. Elba deserves better than Heimdall. Both him and Hounsou would have made for good T'Chaka but Marvel wasted both of them in very minor roles.
 
Agreed on Honsou and Elba being wasted.
 
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On the bright side though, Honsou is now free to play Martian Manhunter in the DC Cinematic Universe.
 
I think they already got some people in mind for T'Chaka, hence them using those two already.
 
I was simply listing the actors/actresses who were given significant characters in the MCU. We can disagree as to how effectively they were used.

Marvel got Elba though right before he broke big, and they did beef up Heimdall (albeit rather weakly) in TDW. But they did cast him, and perhaps they'll beef him up even more in Thor 3.

I disagree with Hounsou. I liked Korath. He didn't have much screen time, but he was way more memorable than AAA. Also, I think there's a difference between an actor being "wasted" and an actor serving a particular purpose for a movie. Hounsou did great with his role, IMO. Dawson sounds like she has a significant role, but yeah, we don't know anymore than that. Though I'm not going to speculate much more, because frankly that wears me down after a while.

I'd rather just get the confirmation about who she's playing and go from there.
 
I think they already got some people in mind for T'Chaka, hence them using those two already.

Even if he wasn't going to play T'Chaka it's just weird that they'd waste probably the most well known male African actor on that bit role instead of a role in the movie about their African superhero.

Ah well.
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AAA...yet another actor wasted by Marvel.

I would have been okay with Hounsou as Korath if he wasn't a one and done character.
 
Who is AAA??? I'm just saying.

Adewale Akinnuoye-Agbaje

he played Kurse/Algrim in Thor: The Dark World. Best known as Mr. Ecko on Lost. Another one and done character.

He also would have made a good T'Chaka
 
It's an out of left field choice but you know who might make an interesting t'chakka? Lenny Henry.

I heard his performance in othello was amazing and he's great at a Nigerian accent plus I'm sure he will love to do it
 
AAA...yet another actor wasted by Marvel.

I would have been okay with Hounsou as Korath if he wasn't a one and done character.
What are you talking about? Is AAA Hollywood royalty so much so that portraying Kurse was beneath him? And what was wrong with Hounsou's portrayal of Korath? Was a really cool, well acted character that got some great character moments. Was Anthony Hopkins wasted as Odin because his was something of a supporting character? What about Ben Kingsley? And Benicio Del Toro? And Glenn Close? She was a minor character as well.

Yes, Hounsou would've made a nice T'Chaka, but would you have a problem with him dying in a BP movie... which would obviously have to happen? Is there a dearth of black actors that would be capable of portraying T'Chaka? Are you simply against casting black actors in supporting roles? Are you against casting black actors to play parts that were "drawn" as white characters in the comics? I don't understand. What's the implication here? One way or the other, your view on this seems senseless to me. Look, I know that you're a big proponent of racial diversity in CBMs so, I would never think that of you... but coming from someone else, something like this would sound borderline offensive.
 
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What are you talking about? Is AAA Hollywood royalty so much so that portraying Kurse was beneath him? And what was wrong with Hounsou's portrayal of Korath? Was a really cool, well acted character that got some great character moments. Was Anthony Hopkins wasted as Odin because his was something of a supporting character? What about Ben Kingsley? And Benicio Del Toro? And Glenn Close? She was a minor character as well.

Yes, Hounsou would've made a nice T'Chaka, but would you have a problem with him dying in a BP movie... which would obviously have to happen? Is there a dearth of black actors that would be capable of portraying T'Chaka? Are you simply against casting black actors in supporting roles? Are you against casting black actors to play parts that were "drawn" as white characters in the comics? I don't understand. What's the implication here? One way or the other, your view on this seems senseless to me. Look, I know that you're a big proponent of racial diversity in CBMs so, I would never think that of you... but coming from someone else, something like this would sound borderline offensive.

I think his point, that using these great black actors as one and done characters is a disservice to their talents is valid, and inoffensive. Your reply, noting a number of great actors who were not given one and done roles doesn't actually address his comments. An analogy would be what if Channing Tatum, Leonardo DiCaprio, Christian Bale and Gerard Butler were all cast as supporting roles in some mega-franchise. That'd be weird. Especially if they were some of the best actors from some given category.

For me, when you talk about wasted actors, the other great actors in supporting roles get to use broad amounts of skills, and we rely on their craftsmanship to sell some pretty ludicrous things. They also provide stability and credibility to the franchise using these abilities. Idris Elba, though he has leading man quality, another thing not true of most of their supporting actors, does this for Thor. AAA as Kurse most certainly does not.

Now, there have been some non-black actors who've been wasted. Hugo Weaving was just used for his bad guy rep. Mickey Rourke's talents were left on the cutting room floor. In fact, virtually all of the bad guys have had wasted talents. None more significantly than Christopher Eccleston and AAA, imho, but it's a thing. So when you cast blacks or other ethnicities largely as villains and unimportant supporting cast in a mega franchise that wastes it's villains, it has a certain effect.

This 'issue' is further compounded because no one really wants to fund a movie starring Idris Elba (unless he's a killer psycho of course) so him doing the same kind of thing a character actor does seems to not utilize his potential, unless being black has a similar effect of being old or not conventionally attractive in relegating one to a supporting role. Barring that, he is one of the few guys who could put butts in seats for a BP film no question. But he's not available for that. That's why this issue comes up in the BP so often because the fan cast actors for such a film are given minor roles in the rest of the MCU. So there's less black star power left for a BP film. Perhaps it's not to worry though, I'm sure Morgan Freeman and Jamie Foxx can handle it.
 
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What are you talking about? Is AAA Hollywood royalty so much so that portraying Kurse was beneath him? And what was wrong with Hounsou's portrayal of Korath? Was a really cool, well acted character that got some great character moments. Was Anthony Hopkins wasted as Odin because his was something of a supporting character? What about Ben Kingsley? And Benicio Del Toro? And Glenn Close? She was a minor character as well.

Yes, Hounsou would've made a nice T'Chaka, but would you have a problem with him dying in a BP movie... which would obviously have to happen? Is there a dearth of black actors that would be capable of portraying T'Chaka? Are you simply against casting black actors in supporting roles? Are you against casting black actors to play parts that were "drawn" as white characters in the comics? I don't understand. What's the implication here? One way or the other, your view on this seems senseless to me. Look, I know that you're a big proponent of racial diversity in CBMs so, I would never think that of you... but coming from someone else, something like this would sound borderline offensive.

Korath is a one and done character, that's what my issue is. Trevor Slattery, Odin, The Collector and Commander Rael have been written in the MCU to be more than one and done characters. In other words, when those movies end, those four characters are still alive, leaving the door open for a return in future MCU projects. Kurse and Korath are dead in the MCU. That's my issue. Had both survived, I would have been fine with both actors in the roles. That was also my issue with Ronan as he too is a one and done character. I would have loved to have seen his redemption arc.

My issue is not about race or how they have been portrayed in the MCU. It's about the fact that they play one and done characters. While I do think Elba should have been someone better than Heimdall, I am content with him in the role because we know he'll be back in the next Thor movie. We cannot say the same for AAA as Kurse or Hounsou as Korath. One and done is one of the issues I have right now with the lack of Howling Commandos in the MCU after the First Avenger.

I am okay with Robert Redford as Alexander Pierce being a one and done because of the fact that he's the main villain in the Winter Soldier and that he didn't seem like the type of actor who would commit to more than one movie.
 
I don't believe that they are even going to do a BP film. I think BP will turn up in a movie but it'll be New Avengers or Cap 3 or something. This is just studio politics. Disney is no different. The more I think about it the more I realize they aren't going to commit to a big budget BP film. It's to much of an uncertainty to them. The old guard is still their running Disney. Those are the real people who decides what gets made and not Feige. The ones who green light the checks. Hollywood is a system that not much has change since I was a kid. They will continue to cast minorities and foreign actors with accents in stereotypical roles as it suits a narrative that America sadly still has and hangs onto. Well unless you're white european and can speak with an American accent and is good looking, being from Australia helps. Any way we are kidding ourselves if we think otherwise that this isn't the case.

People here can scream how much of a risk Marvel took with GOTG but their were enough pros for Disney to get on board and spend a 170 mil. A film however with a majority all black cast in a fictional African country that is the most advanced nation on Earth with a superhero King that's intelligent and is the lead in the movie just screams to them white people aren't going to show up for this and it's going to be a hard sell to foreign markets. A more serious in tone superhero film with no Kevin Hart to provide comedic moments and not set pre civil rites with blacks struggling against oppression?? Um no, it's to risky. Also there is no major black actor that is a box office draw for this film in the studio eyes. Smith and Washington are too old, well Smith isn't if they want BP to be a contemporary of Stark and Banner.

I've thought about it long and hard and I as well as all of us here should know Hollywood's track record and how they do business. I do not see this film happening even if they cast a Brad Pitt as Klaw and despite GOTG success Disney isn't going to do it, certainly not for 150 million budget. Now the Inhumans and Strange are a different matter. They will get the green light easily.
 
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AAA is a good actor and the man has a certain class to him when he's in a role where he can show it. even he said that work is hard in hollywood if you're a black guy and is over 6 feet tall. They like to cast you as the bad guy or the muscle.
 
Korath is a one and done character, that's what my issue is. Trevor Slattery, Odin, The Collector and Commander Rael have been written in the MCU to be more than one and done characters. In other words, when those movies end, those four characters are still alive, leaving the door open for a return in future MCU projects. Kurse and Korath are dead in the MCU. That's my issue. Had both survived, I would have been fine with both actors in the roles. That was also my issue with Ronan as he too is a one and done character. I would have loved to have seen his redemption arc.

My issue is not about race or how they have been portrayed in the MCU. It's about the fact that they play one and done characters. While I do think Elba should have been someone better than Heimdall, I am content with him in the role because we know he'll be back in the next Thor movie. We cannot say the same for AAA as Kurse or Hounsou as Korath. One and done is one of the issues I have right now with the lack of Howling Commandos in the MCU after the First Avenger.

I am okay with Robert Redford as Alexander Pierce being a one and done because of the fact that he's the main villain in the Winter Soldier and that he didn't seem like the type of actor who would commit to more than one movie.
But... but... that makes even less sense. MCU characters aren't allowed to die? Because, if you're stating that your "wasted actor" argument isn't about race, then logically, that amounts to one of the following four options:

"Marvel shouldn't kill off characters portrayed by actors I like"
"Marvel shouldn't cast actors I like as characters that will get killed off"
"Marvel shouldn't kill off anyone"
"Marvel shouldn't kill off interesting characters"

None of those makes sense in the context of making or attempting to make good movies.
I think his point, that using these great black actors as one and done characters is a disservice to their talents is valid, and inoffensive. Your reply, noting a number of great actors who were not given one and done roles doesn't actually address his comments. An analogy would be what if Channing Tatum, Leonardo DiCaprio, Christian Bale and Gerard Butler were all cast as supporting roles in some mega-franchise. That'd be weird. Especially if they were some of the best actors from some given category.

For me, when you talk about wasted actors, the other great actors in supporting roles get to use broad amounts of skills, and we rely on their craftsmanship to sell some pretty ludicrous things. They also provide stability and credibility to the franchise using these abilities. Idris Elba, though he has leading man quality, another thing not true of most of their supporting actors, does this for Thor. AAA as Kurse most certainly does not.

Now, there have been some non-black actors who've been wasted. Hugo Weaving was just used for his bad guy rep. Mickey Rourke's talents were left on the cutting room floor. In fact, virtually all of the bad guys have had wasted talents. None more significantly than Christopher Eccleston and AAA, imho, but it's a thing. So when you cast blacks or other ethnicities largely as villains and unimportant supporting cast in a mega franchise that wastes it's villains, it has a certain effect.

This 'issue' is further compounded because no one really wants to fund a movie starring Idris Elba (unless he's a killer psycho of course) so him doing the same kind of thing a character actor does seems to not utilize his potential, unless being black has a similar effect of being old or not conventionally attractive in relegating one to a supporting role. Barring that, he is one of the few guys who could put butts in seats for a BP film no question. But he's not available for that. That's why this issue comes up in the BP so often because the fan cast actors for such a film are given minor roles in the rest of the MCU. So there's less black star power left for a BP film. Perhaps it's not to worry though, I'm sure Morgan Freeman and Jamie Foxx can handle it.
The issue you're talking about... the fact that there are proportionately fewer interesting roles for black (or for that matter non-white) people is completely, utterly and incontrovertibly valid. I'm in complete, 100% agreement on that front. However, that has nothing to do with my post.

Hollywood employs a disproportionate number of white males as writers and studio execs. If I were to hypothesize, using a healthy dose of Occam's Razor, people tend to write what they know. White people, statistically speaking, know white people. And hence, again statistically speaking, write white roles.

Kurse was a bit of a one note character, but so was Malekith. Despite that, I thought AAA pulled off the menace and physicality that the role demanded. I'm not sure who else I would've fan-cast... possibly Kevin Durand... I dunno. Again, my point is: how was AAA wasted in the role? This was a damn good fit between character and actor.

Idris Elba is a slightly more valid case in that I agree he's leading man material. But unless there's a specific role you want him for, I don't see the wisdom in not letting him to play Heimdall. For example, I think he's wrong for both Black Panther and Luke Cage. I kinda like him for Blade, but gods know when that'll get off the ground. That's not good enough reason to keep him out of the MCU, supporting character or not.

The fact that there are few Marvel roles that could use Elba as a lead is saddening. But that goes towards the issue that we agree upon.
 
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